Info on Area P Exhaust Systems for the 2013 Ninja 300 - Page 11

allanoue · August 28th, 2013, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Koreo

Im trying to find a map for my bike.. Well 2 actually. One for right now though is just LV slip on and KN filter. Where can I find one?

I do not think you will get one from AP for a LV

Koreo · August 28th, 2013, 07:14 AM

general slip on map...

kbryant · August 28th, 2013, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Koreo

general slip on map...

If you have our FI Micro Programmer, simply contact us at sales@areapnolimits.com for support.

Koreo · August 28th, 2013, 08:31 AM

email sent. thanks kerry

allanoue · September 1st, 2013, 11:22 AM

When I installed the AP I am hitting the limiter a lot more. Before the install I would hit it maybe once a month and now I hit it weekly.

I think it is because when i felt the power start to drop off I would change gears and with the AP I am not getting that feedback. Is anyone else having the same experience?

ninjamunky85 · September 1st, 2013, 11:40 AM

I don't think I've hit the rev limiter once. Just make sure to shift at 12.5k. That's what that big tach is for.

allanoue · September 1st, 2013, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjamunky85

I don't think I've hit the rev limiter once. Just make sure to shift at 12.5k. That's what that big tach is for.

Never needed to look before. Now I do and I would rather be looking at the road.

allanoue · October 22nd, 2013, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Yakaru

I've been riding 2 days now with the Pod filter + Area P + Pod Tune and it's been quite nice but I have noticed that, particularly when cold, if I close the throttle at speed and engine brake I get some 'popping' that sounds like a backfire. Could I need to have my tune dialed in more? Maybe some part of my install needs to be rechecked?

Is it popping? Did you change anything?

allanoue · October 28th, 2013, 07:20 AM

It has been in the 30s and 40s the last couple of weeks and my mileage is worse by 4 or 5 MPG . this morning it was 28 degrees.and I noticed my top end speed is down.
Not a lot but...

Do I need a different map for the winter.
@kbryant

kbryant · October 28th, 2013, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanoue

It has been in the 30s and 40s the last couple of weeks and my mileage is worse by 4 or 5 MPG . this morning it was 28 degrees.and I noticed my top end speed is down.
Not a lot but...

Do I need a different map for the winter.
@kbryant

The short answer is no, I would not recommend another map at this time. Obviously that does not mean changes can't be made for improvements during those brutal riding conditions (

), but there is enough flexibility within the fuel model you already have. To explain further -

The FI system on the 300 (and most Japanese bikes) is a speed density system which means fuel delivery is based on modeled airflow. Basically it uses various sensors to calculate specific air density, specifically IAT (intake air temp) X MAP (manifold absolute pressure). Once air mass is established the ECU refers to various lookup tables to calculate fuel delivery. Because IAT, ET (engine temp), and MAP are constantly changing the ECU is making calculations/adjustments many times per second. The Micro Programmer Map/Tune simply adds a +/- correction to the injector signal. One question would be the ECU's accuracy at controlling the mixture from one extreme to the other (i.e 30F-105F degrees) and in most cases it is very accurate in this regard. It has to have passed a wide range of EPA/EU standardized testing. The bigger factor is very likely the amount of time the motor takes to get up to full operating temp, and maintain the most efficient operating temp, when temps get that low for performance and fuel mileage.

allanoue · October 28th, 2013, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kbryant

The short answer is no, I would not recommend another map at this time. Obviously that does not mean changes can't be made for improvements during those brutal riding conditions (

), but there is enough flexibility within the fuel model you already have. To explain further -

The FI system on the 300 (and most Japanese bikes) is a speed density system which means fuel delivery is based on modeled airflow. Basically it uses various sensors to calculate specific air density, specifically IAT (intake air temp) X MAP (manifold absolute pressure). Once air mass is established the ECU refers to various lookup tables to calculate fuel delivery. Because IAT, ET (engine temp), and MAP are constantly changing the ECU is making calculations/adjustments many times per second. The Micro Programmer Map/Tune simply adds a +/- correction to the injector signal. One question would be the ECU's accuracy at controlling the mixture from one extreme to the other (i.e 30F-105F degrees) and in most cases it is very accurate in this regard. It has to have passed a wide range of EPA/EU standardized testing. The bigger factor is very likely the amount of time the motor takes to get up to full operating temp, and maintain the most efficient operating temp, when temps get that low for performance and fuel mileage.

Sounds good. It was not much of a drop in speed but I thought I would ask.
Thank you

choneofakind · October 28th, 2013, 06:35 PM

Al, if the issue is the engine getting up to temp like Kerry suggests, have you considered installing a thermobob in the 300? Should be the same process as the install in a 250

allanoue · October 28th, 2013, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by choneofakind

Al, if the issue is the engine getting up to temp like Kerry suggests, have you considered installing a thermobob in the 300? Should be the same process as the install in a 250

I do think that would help now that you say but warm up is not near as much a problem as with the carb 250 in the cold. Performance is still better then when it was stock and my only race is getting to work before I run out of body BTUs

slickrick · October 29th, 2013, 06:10 PM

Would I need an updated map if I changed the stock gearing, because it changes the rpm at different speeds? Or would I not because it wouldn't affect the fuel/air in any way?

allanoue · October 29th, 2013, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by slickrick

Would I need an updated map if I changed the stock gearing, because it changes the rpm at different speeds? Or would I not because it wouldn't affect the fuel/air in any way?

I don't know much but this I do know.
No you do not need a new map for the reason you gave.

kbryant · October 30th, 2013, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanoue

I don't know much but this I do know.
No you do not need a new map for the reason you gave.

Correct!

JohnnyBravo · October 30th, 2013, 05:18 PM

I need a new map... A Lewis an Clark version or is that just a new to me map?

Loadthis · October 31st, 2013, 11:28 AM

Just got off the phone with Area P, got my full ultra high mount carbon system on the way. To say I am excited is an understatment!

allanoue · October 31st, 2013, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Loadthis

Just got off the phone with Area P, got my full ultra high mount carbon system on the way. To say I am excited is an understatment!

Did you get it with the microtuner?

Loadthis · October 31st, 2013, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanoue

Did you get it with the microtuner?

I installed the Fuel Moto a couple weeks ago. It made a noticeable difference by itself so I'm eager to get the exhaust on.

JohnnyBravo · October 31st, 2013, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loadthis

I installed the Fuel Moto a couple weeks ago. It made a noticeable difference by itself so I'm eager to get the exhaust on.

Good stuff Evan

allanoue · October 31st, 2013, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loadthis

I installed the Fuel Moto a couple weeks ago. It made a noticeable difference by itself so I'm eager to get the exhaust on.

ninjamunky85 · October 31st, 2013, 06:10 PM

Area-p exhaust + tuner + K&N + snorkel delete = awesome!

Loadthis · October 31st, 2013, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyBravo

Good stuff Evan

The bike is fun as hell but I think everyone can use an extra 6hp. Plus, at 4200ft MSL I need all the help I can get.
The list of upgrades is long but I'm knocking it out.

pratik06 · November 10th, 2013, 06:47 AM

I have just installed the AreaP Micro Programmer on my bike. I am little confused with the red status light. Is the light suppose to stay on while the bike is running?

Loadthis · November 10th, 2013, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pratik06

I have just installed the AreaP Micro Programmer on my bike. I am little confused with the red status light. Is the light suppose to stay on while the bike is running?

Yep. I was a little confused as well because red usually means bad. Your FI tuner is working fine!

pratik06 · November 11th, 2013, 05:09 AM

^^^ Thanks for the reply

. I emailed to Kerry and got the same reply.

Loadthis · November 12th, 2013, 11:34 AM

So I finally got my exhaust installed and am loving it! The boost in HP is definitely noticeable. I accidentally got the front wheel off the ground from a start then popped it up a bit on the upshift to 2nd. Badass! The sound is also pretty awesome. It has a throaty, deep tone at the lower rpms and a nice growling roar up high.

Now I'm trying to work out the map tune for my altitude. I've been in contact with Kerry and he's given me some pointers on how to lean the mixture a bit. I'm riding at 4200ft above sea level and the air is much thinner and so requires a leaner mix. It's a case of trial and error and fine tuning at this point. I imagine I could really work it out on a dyno if I could find someone locally and the price is right.

Anyway, bottom line, I love the system.

kbryant · November 12th, 2013, 12:33 PM

Thank you for the comments Evan. Between the adjustments we've discussed, and the new Map sent to you this morning to try, we'll get you dialed in at 4200'

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loadthis

So I finally got my exhaust installed and am loving it! The boost in HP is definitely noticeable. I accidentally got the front wheel off the ground from a start then popped it up a bit on the upshift to 2nd. Badass! The sound is also pretty awesome. It has a throaty, deep tone at the lower rpms and a nice growling roar up high.

Now I'm trying to work out the map tune for my altitude. I've been in contact with Kerry and he's given me some pointers on how to lean the mixture a bit. I'm riding at 4200ft above sea level and the air is much thinner and so requires a leaner mix. It's a case of trial and error and fine tuning at this point. I imagine I could really work it out on a dyno if I could find someone locally and the price is right.

Anyway, bottom line, I love the system.

September 1st, 2013, 11:40 AM	#406
ninjamunky85 Que Buenos Son!!! Name: Ryan Location: Grovetucky, OH Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): Aprilia Shiver 750, Husaberg FE 450, Ninja 300 (sold), xr100 Posts: A lot. MOTM - Nov '14	I don't think I've hit the rev limiter once. Just make sure to shift at 12.5k. That's what that big tach is for. __________________________________________________ Don't do something because it's easy,.. Do it because it's not! If you aren't going forward, then you're falling behind. "Drive it like you stole it"!!!

October 30th, 2013, 05:18 PM	#417
JohnnyBravo Certifiable nontundrum Name: Harper Location: NC Milkshake stand Join Date: Mar 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2013 SE NINJA 300 Posts: Too much. MOTM - Sep '13, Sep '16	I need a new map... A Lewis an Clark version or is that just a new to me map? __________________________________________________
	1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.

October 31st, 2013, 11:28 AM	#418
Loadthis ninjette.org member Name: Evan Location: Clovis, NM Join Date: Apr 2013 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 Posts: 33	Just got off the phone with Area P, got my full ultra high mount carbon system on the way. To say I am excited is an understatment!
	1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.

October 31st, 2013, 06:10 PM	#423
ninjamunky85 Que Buenos Son!!! Name: Ryan Location: Grovetucky, OH Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): Aprilia Shiver 750, Husaberg FE 450, Ninja 300 (sold), xr100 Posts: A lot. MOTM - Nov '14	Area-p exhaust + tuner + K&N + snorkel delete = awesome! __________________________________________________ Don't do something because it's easy,.. Do it because it's not! If you aren't going forward, then you're falling behind. "Drive it like you stole it"!!!

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