Lane Splitting/Sharing - Do You Do It? - Page 3

Live2ride · May 9th, 2011, 08:38 PM

I haven't done it yet and haven't found any reason to.

Kevin2109 · May 9th, 2011, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by phr3ek

here's an old one i took before i started going to school

i threw in that extra clip at the end since this is a ninjette forum

Link to original page on YouTube.

You lane split like me

And damn look at that sexy 2010 se

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Originally Posted by Live2ride

I haven't done it yet and haven't found any reason to.

Right when you start you wont want to stop

kawboyCAFE · May 9th, 2011, 09:00 PM

it's not legal here, but i wouldn't do it, even if it was. not because i couldn't, but just because i don't trust the drivers around here. some of the drivers around here would run into you just to do it. and then they would say, "oh, but officer, i didn't see him".

Live2ride · May 9th, 2011, 09:04 PM

It's illegal here as well.

Green Streak · May 10th, 2011, 05:14 AM

I never had much need to do any lane splitting around here(even it is illegal), but I did do some lane sharing, but that was when I was young and thought I was invincible. I wouldn't do it now that I am a mere mortal.

Live2ride · May 11th, 2011, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Live2ride

I haven't done it yet and haven't found any reason to.

I found a reason to do it today. I decided to do some highway riding up to a nice little bike dealer about 30 miles away after the yamaha dealer I visited wanted $40 for led bolts

. About 3 miles from my turn off there was stop and go traffic. I lane splitted the 3 miles to find that there was about a 5-6 car pile up including a tractor trailer...at my turn off. I ended up riding down a mile or so to turn around and make a right at my turn

. It was hella fun, I felt like I was taking the msf course all over again; damn these things are nimble

.

Kevin2109 · May 11th, 2011, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin2109

Right when you start you wont want to stop

Told you

bkh2 · May 20th, 2011, 04:26 PM

I personally would probably not lane split unless traffic is at a standstill (or near standstill). I think staying away from this kind of lane splitting would be wise:

Link to original page on YouTube.

Jinx250 · May 23rd, 2011, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by bkh2

I personally would probably not lane split unless traffic is at a standstill (or near standstill). I think staying away from this kind of lane splitting would be wise:

Link to original page on YouTube.

That's not splitting - that's riding like an a$$hole.

reaperw · May 23rd, 2011, 09:27 AM

In that first vid looks like the truck was waiting for the bike and got tired of all these mototrcycle cutting him off

.Do i lane split no,i dont trust cagers

spidime · May 23rd, 2011, 02:25 PM

we call it filtering in the UK and I'm sure as hell not hanging about in the pouring rain in a traffic jam if I have any choice! Loads of people have commuting bikes here just for that - so they don't have to sit in traffic. Although I did have a woman turn into me one time and catch my arm - she looked a bit psycho so I decided just to ride on! Only time I won't do it is between buses or trucks on windy days - that's bad news! I do it most days though - part of the fun of biking

jamesio · July 12th, 2011, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bkh2

I personally would probably not lane split unless traffic is at a standstill (or near standstill). I think staying away from this kind of lane splitting would be wise:

Link to original page on YouTube.

He has to have some sort of death wish...that was f***ing insane

Liquidtoon · July 12th, 2011, 04:09 PM

I dont think what he is doing is "lane splitting" pretty sure you need to stay on your side of the road to be splitting lanes. That being said I think lane splitting is the best benefit of riding a bike. It saves me a ton of time. I do evaluate the risk of each use, there is clearly a higher risk but in stopped/slow moving traffic I find it very useful.

EsrTek · July 12th, 2011, 04:41 PM

Did my first lane split, stopped traffic at red light (about 2-3 light cycles worth, in 90+degree heat/humidity).
I used the bicycle lane to make it to front of line right as light changed for me

Seeing as 100ft up the road the 2 lanes merge into 1 and is always hell in traffic, it was a great benefit for me

okay...okay... so may not be technically lane splitting but I'm new to this :P

Liquidtoon · July 12th, 2011, 05:48 PM

I think a big concern is the cagers not being used to it, around where I live it is so common that people make extra room for you and watch for it. It would not be a unusual occurrence in summer to pull up to a light and have 2-3 other riders filter up next to you at one light. Even big touring bikes and fatboys ect do it around here.

If your looking to practice or just getting started it helps to be in the middle lane so you can choose the left or right side of the car ahead of you and start with stopped car at traffic lights first. Also be aware that the thing you will bump into is your bar ends on peoples mirrors and sports cars tend to be wider than trucks. at least the trucks mirrors are up high out of the way. I personally think slow moving traffic (25ish) is more dangerous than anything else people are more likely to jump over in a hurry to get the "better" lane without looking.

alex.s · July 12th, 2011, 05:58 PM

down here with the heavy traffic, especially rushhour traffic, people jumping into the next lane without signalling is a big issue. always watch where people are looking if you're lane splitting... if someone is staring in the mirror watching the cars next to them, chances are they're going to take the first gap that opens up. i make it a habbit when i split to never have a gap on one side with a car on the other... you're just inviting that car to run you over. also splitting on the right i've found to be quite dangerous at lights... people love to change their minds and make a right turn or get into the bike lane to make a right after sitting there for a bit. especially on the highway, but also generally, i usually only split between the #1 and 2 lanes, just my experience with socal drivers

EsrTek · July 12th, 2011, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by alex.s

also splitting on the right i've found to be quite dangerous at lights... people love to change their minds and make a right turn or get into the bike lane to make a right after sitting there for a bit. especially on the highway, but also generally, i usually only split between the #1 and 2 lanes, just my experience with socal drivers

I agree and if splitting crosses my mind I'm usually looking to pass that car on it's drivers side.
My bike lane usage today is actually between the 2 main lanes and a separated right turn lane, because of the concrete wall. However, that still doesn't stop someone from darting over, as there is a gap that opens wider between the bike lane and the right turn, the closer you get to the actual street they turn right onto.
I will take your advice and keep it off the right

oblivion007 · July 12th, 2011, 08:27 PM

I think I've posted here already saying no but I've been adding miles to the bike and I haven't found myself lane splitting yet (Texas) but I do find my self changing lanes at high speeds when there is less than ample space.

Another maybe dangerous or not so dangerous(?) thing I do every now and then is weave the cones that close a lane when there's not much traffic on my local highway or just ride the closed lane because there's no construction till later. But the lane is still closed >.>

but the big bucket ones, nicely spaced.

Not legit lane splitting yet though.

phr3ek · July 14th, 2011, 12:10 AM

here is my daily commute

Link to original page on YouTube.

jamesio · July 14th, 2011, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phr3ek

here is my daily commute

Link to original page on YouTube.

Holy crap...maybe it's just me but I don't think I could ever bring myself to ride like that. All it takes is that one cage to not see you and change lanes in front of you and then it's too late...

Alex · July 14th, 2011, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by phr3ek

here is my daily commute

phr3ek - if that's you, you are taking some pretty crazy chances. What stands out isn't the speed while passing cars that are close together, what scares me is the speed and where you position your bike when passing cars that have no car directly to the side of them, i.e. the traffic gaps. There were quite a few of these in the first minute of the vid before you hopped into the carpool lane. All it takes is one of those vehicles to start to dart over into that open space without seeing you (and they wouldn't see you at those closing speeds), and your commute becomes an all day affair with the accompaniment of some EMT's.

jamesio · July 14th, 2011, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

with the accompaniment of some EMT's.

Which he also passes around 3:18

kkim · July 14th, 2011, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phr3ek

here is my daily commute

Link to original page on YouTube.

lol... life is not a video game.

jamesio · July 14th, 2011, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kkim

lol... life is not a video game.

First thing that came to my mind was grand theft auto haha

phr3ek · July 14th, 2011, 03:20 PM

yes that is me on my 636
lol, i know it seems fast in the vid but i wasnt going fast at all, 40 mph max
also the gaps are a pretty decent size

i appreciate the concerns though

like i mentioned, that is my daily commute, twice a day every day for the next year
i have been cut off b4 and had a couple pretty close calls
i ALWAYS cover my clutch and both brakes

alex, i have experience what you mentioned, but i am always on the look out for such an event
there are only a couple of cagers in those areas video-ed that dont pay attention, but i am on full alert for them

Liquidtoon · July 14th, 2011, 03:26 PM

I have a similar, short and a lot less trucks,drive each day lately, if I was you I would try a few more passes on the left shoulder, less risk. especially with the larger gaps in traffic. I think the only real issue with lane splitting is the people that dive right. usually people check their left a bit more. If possible I try to pass between the car and left shoulder. Might just be personal preference but I like knowing I have the shoulder if someone tries to merge into me.

alex.s · July 14th, 2011, 03:31 PM

kev, this vid is proof that you've def. got balls of steel.

i love when i see CHP bikes lane splitting or driving crazy, a few of the CHPs down here in SD are crazy with the splitting and make you look tame

... p.s. didn't that chp jump over a double yellow??? he needs a ticket!

phr3ek · July 14th, 2011, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by alex.s

kev, this vid is proof that you've def. got balls of steel.

i love when i see CHP bikes lane splitting or driving crazy, a few of the CHPs down here in SD are crazy with the splitting and make you look tame

... p.s. didn't that chp jump over a double yellow??? he needs a ticket!

i hate it when authority dont obey the very laws they enforce
i was going to emphasize on that bit more, but i got lazy

Alex · July 14th, 2011, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by phr3ek

alex, i have experience what you mentioned, but i am always on the look out for such an event
there are only a couple of cagers in those areas video-ed that dont pay attention, but i am on full alert for them

I don't believe that full alert is enough, if it isn't causing you to change speed or move position. You're staying at the exact same speed, and staying right next to the cars/trucks even when there is a large gap to the side of them. One of these times, they will start to come over at exactly the wrong time, it's a virtual certainty. With a foot of lateral space and a closing speed of 40+ mph, it's too late to make any decisions that haven't already been made. There's a guy on BARF called DataDan who captures and publishes all of the injury/fatality data for california motorcycle accidents, with special focus on those here in the bay area. The vast majority of lanesplitting accidents are due to people not understanding what it means to mind that gap. Good luck.

EsrTek · July 14th, 2011, 05:12 PM

Heck all them video's, esp the moscow moron, look way to risky for me...

Really the only time I really even want to split between the cars is at a stop light!
Just so I don't have to deal w/ their moronic actions and gain a safe distance.

I haven't tried it yet, just cause I don't want to piss the 1 a-hole who hits me from behind or tries to road rage. (I'd really hate to have to dent my helmet by headbuttin some fool

)

Azhyen · July 14th, 2011, 05:14 PM

Kev, you're definitely going much faster than I would. I thought legal LS was limited to just ~5mph faster than the traffic?

phr3ek · July 14th, 2011, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Azhyen

Kev, you're definitely going much faster than I would. I thought legal LS was limited to just ~5mph faster than the traffic?

no more than 10 mph

but i reckon i was going 15-20 over traffic

jamesio · July 14th, 2011, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

I don't believe that full alert is enough, if it isn't causing you to change speed or move position. You're staying at the exact same speed, and staying right next to the cars/trucks even when there is a large gap to the side of them. One of these times, they will start to come over at exactly the wrong time, it's a virtual certainty. With a foot of lateral space and a closing speed of 40+ mph, it's too late to make any decisions that haven't already been made. There's a guy on BARF called DataDan who captures and publishes all of the injury/fatality data for california motorcycle accidents, with special focus on those here in the bay area. The vast majority of lanesplitting accidents are due to people not understanding what it means to mind that gap. Good luck.

Baiscally what he's saying is it's only a matter of time and numbers before you may be turned into a meat waffle

jk...but please be careful!

phr3ek · July 14th, 2011, 05:52 PM

^^^yeah, there is always a risk

jamesio · July 14th, 2011, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by phr3ek

^^^yeah, there is always a risk

Yup yup, anyway...I wasn't trying to sound like those critics saying how dangerous it is and blah blah blah. We're all riders here...and I know that So-Cal traffic is horrible and seeing how that is your daily commute I can understand gettin through all that bs traffic.

phr3ek · July 14th, 2011, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesio

Yup yup, anyway...I wasn't trying to sound like those critics saying how dangerous it is and blah blah blah. We're all riders here...and I know that So-Cal traffic is horrible and seeing how that is your daily commute I can understand gettin through all that bs traffic.

i welcome criticism
it points out my flaws
though i cant do much on this subject for improvement

jamesio · July 14th, 2011, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phr3ek

i welcome criticism
it points out my flaws
though i cant do much on this subject for improvement

you cant or you wont...

Jinx250 · July 15th, 2011, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kkim

lol... life is not a video game.

What?!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by phr3ek

no more than 10 mph

but i reckon i was going 15-20 over traffic

Actually, the "limit" isn't a limt, it's a guideline. Of course, the higher your speed, the less reaction time you have.

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Originally Posted by EsrTek

Heck all them video's, esp the moscow moron, look way to risky for me...

Please remember that the moscow video is 100% NOT lane splitting. It's reckless operation, plain and simple.

CZroe · July 15th, 2011, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azhyen

Kev, you're definitely going much faster than I would. I thought legal LS was limited to just ~5mph faster than the traffic?

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamesio

Baiscally what he's saying is it's only a matter of time and numbers before you may be turned into a meat waffle

jk...but please be careful!

No legal limit but anything more than 15MPH faster is likely enough to get a "reckless driving" or "unsafe speed for conditions" ticket.

Kevin2109 · July 15th, 2011, 12:56 PM

true, but a cop is never going to be able to catch you so much of the times they dont care

May 9th, 2011, 08:38 PM	#81
Live2ride ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Cody Location: NoVa Join Date: Jan 2011 Motorcycle(s): 06 yzf r6r previously: 09 ninja 250r, black 07 zx6r Posts: A lot.	I haven't done it yet and haven't found any reason to. __________________________________________________

May 9th, 2011, 09:04 PM	#84
Live2ride ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Cody Location: NoVa Join Date: Jan 2011 Motorcycle(s): 06 yzf r6r previously: 09 ninja 250r, black 07 zx6r Posts: A lot.	It's illegal here as well. __________________________________________________

May 10th, 2011, 05:14 AM	#85
Green Streak Ninjette Owner Name: Rick Location: Aiken County, SC Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R SE, a puddle of Ninja ZX6 Posts: 520	I never had much need to do any lane splitting around here(even it is illegal), but I did do some lane sharing, but that was when I was young and thought I was invincible. I wouldn't do it now that I am a mere mortal. __________________________________________________

July 12th, 2011, 05:58 PM	#96
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	down here with the heavy traffic, especially rushhour traffic, people jumping into the next lane without signalling is a big issue. always watch where people are looking if you're lane splitting... if someone is staring in the mirror watching the cars next to them, chances are they're going to take the first gap that opens up. i make it a habbit when i split to never have a gap on one side with a car on the other... you're just inviting that car to run you over. also splitting on the right i've found to be quite dangerous at lights... people love to change their minds and make a right turn or get into the bike lane to make a right after sitting there for a bit. especially on the highway, but also generally, i usually only split between the #1 and 2 lanes, just my experience with socal drivers __________________________________________________

July 14th, 2011, 03:31 PM	#107
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	kev, this vid is proof that you've def. got balls of steel. i love when i see CHP bikes lane splitting or driving crazy, a few of the CHPs down here in SD are crazy with the splitting and make you look tame ... p.s. didn't that chp jump over a double yellow??? he needs a ticket! __________________________________________________

May 9th, 2011, 09:00 PM	#83
kawboyCAFE im a NinFo!.... Name: 00000000000 Location: 0000000 Join Date: Jan 2011 Motorcycle(s): 00000000000000000 Posts: 19	it's not legal here, but i wouldn't do it, even if it was. not because i couldn't, but just because i don't trust the drivers around here. some of the drivers around here would run into you just to do it. and then they would say, "oh, but officer, i didn't see him".

May 20th, 2011, 04:26 PM	#88
bkh2 ninjette.org guru Name: Ben Location: R'lyeh Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2006 GSXR 750; 1983 CB750SC Posts: 277	I personally would probably not lane split unless traffic is at a standstill (or near standstill). I think staying away from this kind of lane splitting would be wise: Link to original page on YouTube.

May 23rd, 2011, 09:27 AM	#90
reaperw ninjette.org member Name: Ian Location: newmarket Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): ninja 250 Posts: 191	In that first vid looks like the truck was waiting for the bike and got tired of all these mototrcycle cutting him off .Do i lane split no,i dont trust cagers

May 23rd, 2011, 02:25 PM	#91
spidime ninjette.org newbie Name: ali Location: uk Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): zxr400 Posts: 9	we call it filtering in the UK and I'm sure as hell not hanging about in the pouring rain in a traffic jam if I have any choice! Loads of people have commuting bikes here just for that - so they don't have to sit in traffic. Although I did have a woman turn into me one time and catch my arm - she looked a bit psycho so I decided just to ride on! Only time I won't do it is between buses or trucks on windy days - that's bad news! I do it most days though - part of the fun of biking

July 12th, 2011, 04:09 PM	#93
Liquidtoon ninjette.org member Name: Josh Location: Sacramento, Ca Join Date: Jul 2010 Motorcycle(s): 09 Ninja 250r Posts: 215	I dont think what he is doing is "lane splitting" pretty sure you need to stay on your side of the road to be splitting lanes. That being said I think lane splitting is the best benefit of riding a bike. It saves me a ton of time. I do evaluate the risk of each use, there is clearly a higher risk but in stopped/slow moving traffic I find it very useful.

July 12th, 2011, 04:41 PM	#94
EsrTek ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Eric Location: Murfreesboro, TN Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): '13 300 Posts: A lot.	Did my first lane split, stopped traffic at red light (about 2-3 light cycles worth, in 90+degree heat/humidity). I used the bicycle lane to make it to front of line right as light changed for me Seeing as 100ft up the road the 2 lanes merge into 1 and is always hell in traffic, it was a great benefit for me okay...okay... so may not be technically lane splitting but I'm new to this :P

July 12th, 2011, 05:48 PM	#95
Liquidtoon ninjette.org member Name: Josh Location: Sacramento, Ca Join Date: Jul 2010 Motorcycle(s): 09 Ninja 250r Posts: 215	I think a big concern is the cagers not being used to it, around where I live it is so common that people make extra room for you and watch for it. It would not be a unusual occurrence in summer to pull up to a light and have 2-3 other riders filter up next to you at one light. Even big touring bikes and fatboys ect do it around here. If your looking to practice or just getting started it helps to be in the middle lane so you can choose the left or right side of the car ahead of you and start with stopped car at traffic lights first. Also be aware that the thing you will bump into is your bar ends on peoples mirrors and sports cars tend to be wider than trucks. at least the trucks mirrors are up high out of the way. I personally think slow moving traffic (25ish) is more dangerous than anything else people are more likely to jump over in a hurry to get the "better" lane without looking.

July 12th, 2011, 08:27 PM	#98
oblivion007 "scandal!" Name: Adan Location: Somewhere Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 250R(Crashed 2/26/2014), 09 ER6n Posts: 660	I think I've posted here already saying no but I've been adding miles to the bike and I haven't found myself lane splitting yet (Texas) but I do find my self changing lanes at high speeds when there is less than ample space. Another maybe dangerous or not so dangerous(?) thing I do every now and then is weave the cones that close a lane when there's not much traffic on my local highway or just ride the closed lane because there's no construction till later. But the lane is still closed >.> but the big bucket ones, nicely spaced. Not legit lane splitting yet though.

July 14th, 2011, 12:10 AM	#99
phr3ek meow? Name: kevin Location: I.E. SoCal Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2004 636 Posts: 587	here is my daily commute Link to original page on YouTube.

July 14th, 2011, 03:20 PM	#105
phr3ek meow? Name: kevin Location: I.E. SoCal Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2004 636 Posts: 587	yes that is me on my 636 lol, i know it seems fast in the vid but i wasnt going fast at all, 40 mph max also the gaps are a pretty decent size i appreciate the concerns though like i mentioned, that is my daily commute, twice a day every day for the next year i have been cut off b4 and had a couple pretty close calls i ALWAYS cover my clutch and both brakes alex, i have experience what you mentioned, but i am always on the look out for such an event there are only a couple of cagers in those areas video-ed that dont pay attention, but i am on full alert for them

July 14th, 2011, 03:26 PM	#106
Liquidtoon ninjette.org member Name: Josh Location: Sacramento, Ca Join Date: Jul 2010 Motorcycle(s): 09 Ninja 250r Posts: 215	I have a similar, short and a lot less trucks,drive each day lately, if I was you I would try a few more passes on the left shoulder, less risk. especially with the larger gaps in traffic. I think the only real issue with lane splitting is the people that dive right. usually people check their left a bit more. If possible I try to pass between the car and left shoulder. Might just be personal preference but I like knowing I have the shoulder if someone tries to merge into me.

July 14th, 2011, 05:12 PM	#110
EsrTek ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Eric Location: Murfreesboro, TN Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): '13 300 Posts: A lot.	Heck all them video's, esp the moscow moron, look way to risky for me... Really the only time I really even want to split between the cars is at a stop light! Just so I don't have to deal w/ their moronic actions and gain a safe distance. I haven't tried it yet, just cause I don't want to piss the 1 a-hole who hits me from behind or tries to road rage. (I'd really hate to have to dent my helmet by headbuttin some fool )

July 14th, 2011, 05:14 PM	#111
Azhyen ninjette.org Pirate Name: Seph Location: San Diego Join Date: Nov 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r Posts: 301	Kev, you're definitely going much faster than I would. I thought legal LS was limited to just ~5mph faster than the traffic? __________________________________________________ "She said I can't get a bike, so I dumped her."

July 14th, 2011, 05:52 PM	#114
phr3ek meow? Name: kevin Location: I.E. SoCal Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2004 636 Posts: 587	^^^yeah, there is always a risk

July 15th, 2011, 12:56 PM	#120
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