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Old October 12th, 2017, 09:18 AM   #1
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valve timing question

i noticed that my timing somehow moved. prior to removing cams i set alignment dots up on the inside and verified it was on 2t. now that i everything back together i notice the 2t mark has moved. i never moved the crankshaft and set cams back in dot to dot(actually line to line as my painted dots were not painted correctly)
do i need to pull valve cover and retime again?
why did it move?
could it have moved when i loaded up cct?
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Old October 12th, 2017, 09:27 AM   #2
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Did you rotate crank to tighten pulling side of chain before releasing CCT? Or rotate cam backwards slightly?

You need pulling side of chain fully tight and CCT side loose before releasing CCT. If both sides of chain are evenly loose, the CCT will tend to pull cam backwards when released.
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Old October 12th, 2017, 09:36 AM   #3
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Did you rotate crank to tighten pulling side of chain before releasing CCT? Or rotate cam backwards slightly?

You need pulling side of chain fully tight and CCT side loose before releasing CCT. If both sides of chain are evenly loose, the CCT will tend to pull cam backwards when released.
no i didn’t do this. of all the reads on this i didn’t see this or i missed it. thanx for the info. so pink mark must align with the little metal tab? if i do the rotate cam backwards would alignment dots be slightly up or down?
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Old October 14th, 2017, 09:04 AM   #4
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ok, i have valve cover off and spark plugs loose. i have indicator set. i noticed my painted timing lines are off. on exhaust itís high, intake low. it looks like iím 1 tooth off
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Old October 14th, 2017, 10:01 AM   #5
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ok, i have valve cover off and spark plugs loose. i have indicator set. i noticed my painted timing lines are off. on exhaust itís high, intake low. it looks like iím 1 tooth off. just reset again. same result. soon as the cct loads. crank moves and timing looks off. i jumped one tooth also
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Old October 14th, 2017, 10:51 AM   #6
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after reviewing the diy. my alignments look exactly the same
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Old October 14th, 2017, 11:14 AM   #7
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is your cam timing out of phase?
i donít think so. the diy pic looks like similar to my cam phasing.
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Old October 14th, 2017, 11:22 AM   #8
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disagree...look closer

the EX cam line is pointed FORWARD to the cc seam....

the IN cam line is pointed BACK to the intake side cc seam

Any Kaw I've *ever* done..the cam timing is situated per the drawing.

Yours out 180 degree?

Note on drawing the arrowed timing marks are situated to the FAR left and right. Yours *between*.
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there is no punch mark either. when i bring up ex on left side there is no punch mark up on top
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Old October 14th, 2017, 11:32 AM   #10
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disagree...look closer

the EX cam line is pointed FORWARD to the cc seam....

the IN cam line is pointed BACK to the intake side cc seam

Any Kaw I've *ever* done..the cam timing is situated per the drawing.

Yours out 180 degree?

Note on drawing the arrowed timing marks are situated to the FAR left and right. Yours *between*.
did you look at the diy pic? it looks exactly like mine. obviously the paint marks are wrong. the painted above the ex line and below the in line. i’m looking at the actually lines on the sprocket.
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Old October 14th, 2017, 11:49 AM   #11
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Apologies-
your newgen timing position is completely different to earlier, traditional cam timing I'm familiar with.

There is a old 2008 valve clearance thread by user "Vex" , mentioning the timing mark apparently being off too, similar to your situation ...found in a google search..

Disregard my comments, I'll sheepishly return to the carbs I'm working on.
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Old October 14th, 2017, 11:59 AM   #12
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Apologies-
your newgen timing position is completely different to earlier, traditional cam timing I'm familiar with.

There is a old 2008 valve clearance thread by user "Vex" , mentioning the timing mark apparently being off too, similar to your situation ...found in a google search..

Disregard my comments, I'll sheepishly return to the carbs I'm working on.
that's ok i looked at the 2008 manual. you bring ex on exhaust sprocket and count 36 pins over to in on intake sprocket. guess i need to do this to be sure
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Old October 14th, 2017, 12:00 PM   #13
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Apologies-
your newgen timing position is completely different to earlier, traditional cam timing I'm familiar with.

There is a old 2008 valve clearance thread by user "Vex" , mentioning the timing mark apparently being off too, similar to your situation ...found in a google search..

Disregard my comments, I'll sheepishly return to the carbs I'm working on.
can u fire that link to me
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I just went through this doing my first valve adjustment, it looks like the cams may or may not be a tooth off but the problem is having the chain slack on the wrong side of the crank when the cct is reinstalled. If the slack is on the opposite side of the crank it will spin the crank to take the slack out.
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after searching for hours. finally found this via google search. the how to valve adjustment with pictures needs to be updated with this post to get proper valve timing.
https://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=288741
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