Intuitive Frame Sliders SUCK

Hokie11 · July 29th, 2009, 04:50 PM

okay so i was taking down my bike from its rear stand... and it tipped to the right...

frame slider did save the fairing, but it completely bent into it and the mounting bracket inside the fairing shifted and almost hit the black block near the bolt..

it may have saved my fairing, but sh*t, i did not expect it to move at all. now i have one frame slider on the left which really wont do any good, but i figure its better than nothing. if i left the right one on, the pressure it was putting on my fairing was sure to crack it soon.

what a waste of money.

i really hope when i order the shogun sliders, they can withstand more than 1 drop and wont shift like that. oh and now i have a dent on my wooden flooring in my condo. (yes i work on my bike indoors. way too hot and humid outdoors for me to do anything)

JaeL · July 29th, 2009, 04:53 PM

what did you want them to do?

Hokie11 · July 29th, 2009, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaeL

what did you want them to do?

not shift into the damn engine block. at any speed, it was bound to go straight into it and the bracket could easily damage it. that and the bar extending out would pretty much have cracked my fairing if its not at a stand still.

Banzai · July 29th, 2009, 05:44 PM

all pointed out in the wiki

Hokie11 · July 29th, 2009, 06:50 PM

yeah i read that, but considering i was still holding onto the bike as it tipped over in my condo, it wasnt even a full drop with no support. i was sliding in my socks as it fell, so i took probably 1/4 of the weight off and slowed the fall down significantly.

yet it still bent the "dog ears" and managed to bend the extending bar itself. they may be cheaper than shoguns and all, but damn, THAT cheap... disappointing.

BlueRaven · July 29th, 2009, 06:59 PM

You are aware that the sliders are designed for racing to protect your fairing when leaning too much in turns and not for drops or crashes although they do help protect the fairings but the sliders often break on impact depending on the kind.

JaeL · July 29th, 2009, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueRaven

You are aware that the sliders are designed for racing to protect your fairing when leaning too much in turns and not for drops or crashes although they do help protect the fairings but the sliders often break on impact depending on the kind.

RaceBikeRentals · July 29th, 2009, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueRaven

You are aware that the sliders are designed for racing to protect your fairing when leaning too much in turns and not for drops or crashes although they do help protect the fairings but the sliders often break on impact depending on the kind.

Huh? I think the sliders are more effective on a streetbike than a race bike.

Hokie11 · July 29th, 2009, 08:05 PM

yeah.. so i guess even these intuitive frame sliders cant be allowed to be put on its side or the dog ears will bend even when im holding up a decent portion of its weight.

people on a budget, as myself, buy these products expecting SOME comfort that they will help protect from a low speed fall or even a tip over. but even a tip over was too much. that is what i am upset about.

ive ordered shoguns already because i EXPECT them to do a better job. now if they still arent enough, then someone please speak up.

RaceBikeRentals · July 29th, 2009, 08:25 PM

I put my down at about 40MPH and the Shoguns did a great job of minimizing damage. Nothing bent... the braces are very strong.

stroked59 · July 29th, 2009, 08:46 PM

Do any of the manufacture's post what type of steel they use.... i ask because i am Fabricator, Welder, Machinist with some experience making such items for friends. i use D.O.M or Chomoly tubing with a minimum of sch. 40 thickness...... cut the damaged one apart and check it, then you could make a suggestion for future part's being manufactured from whom ever made it.... my two cent's

Hokie11 · July 29th, 2009, 08:48 PM

wiki says theres some dremelling needed. did you have to do that?

Hokie11 · July 29th, 2009, 08:50 PM

i think i saw some website post the specs, im sure the manuf website says it and probably say how awesome they are as well

ztrack157 · July 29th, 2009, 09:06 PM

I have heard horror stories about intuitives and shoguns both. Intuitives have more said about the and they can bend "easily" and damage the block. I have also seen the shoguns which are made better fail miserably as well although very rare and the end up doing more damage than the intuitive will ie punching through the crank case. There really if no built proof slider but take a chance on the one you feel is less likely to cost you more in the end.

Hokie11 · July 30th, 2009, 04:43 AM

nothing is ever fail proof, but if itll save the bike on a tip over or a low speed crash, then im happy. i dont plan to track or anything like that. if im going over 30, i dont really expect much from them. i think if i crash going at high speeds, i have more things to worry about than my bike.

Rayme · July 30th, 2009, 06:03 AM

I don't beleive in slider, I'll save that 200$ and put it toward repairing anything if I ever drop the bike :/

Hokie11 · July 30th, 2009, 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rayme

I don't beleive in slider, I'll save that 200$ and put it toward repairing anything if I ever drop the bike :/

i thought about that. and even though i paid 100 for my intuitives, it saved me from a cracked fairing, which is ~200. i bought the bike with 1 bad fairing and 1 good fairing. this time it landed on the good side, so i was fortunate to have SOMETHING there. even though it got dangerously close to the engine block, it did save the fairing at the least.

rockNroll · July 30th, 2009, 06:37 AM

In my opinion, the best protection is a set of rear sets (non folding foot pegs). The clip ons, foot pegs and engine cases do pretty well in a get off. The only sliders I would use are ones that attach straight on an engine bolt, which means cutting the body work. This is just from my personal experience going down on the track.. I mean, seeing other guys going down on the track

Cedilla · August 1st, 2009, 11:20 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but with the frame sliders all of the force of the impact is being directed into one spot, which seems like it would make things worse as opposed to it landing on the fairings and the force being distributed over a much wider area. I would think that damaged plastics would be a much better outcome than tweaking the frame or damaging anything else the sliders are mounted to. I don't claim to know much about frame sliders so if I have my ideas about them all wrong somebody please correct me.

Rayme · August 2nd, 2009, 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cedilla

Correct me if I'm wrong, but with the frame sliders all of the force of the impact is being directed into one spot, which seems like it would make things worse as opposed to it landing on the fairings and the force being distributed over a much wider area. I would think that damaged plastics would be a much better outcome than tweaking the frame or damaging anything else the sliders are mounted to. I don't claim to know much about frame sliders so if I have my ideas about them all wrong somebody please correct me.

That's what I thought too, but I guess sliders are made to collapse to they do absorb some of the impact..but you still have to replace the slides after a crash, and if the whole braket bends, well you have to buy another slider to replace it..makes you wonder if you really are saving money

BlueRaven · August 2nd, 2009, 07:58 AM

The other option are SATO which seem ok and look like they would not do any damage to the frame if a fall occurs. The sell for $239 CAD from http://www.xtsportbikeaccessories.com/Sliders.html

DarkNinja52 · August 5th, 2009, 01:22 PM

i think sliders will save you money only in situations where you would have lost money for a dumb reason such as the wind knocking over your bike or if you forget to put the kickstand down. its nice to have atleast taht kind of insurance so you dont have a cracked up scratched up fairing because it was excessively windy.... (atleast shoguns would save you money havent heard of them doing any more damage to the bike in a simple case like this). As far as im concerned, if the bike is moving and goes down, the only thing thats going to save any part of it is going to be a ton of bubble wrap

JaeL · August 7th, 2009, 05:25 PM

i installed my innys a couple days ago!

Hokie11 · August 7th, 2009, 07:48 PM

just installed my shoguns and they are definitely worth the premium!

JaeL · August 7th, 2009, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hokie11

just installed my shoguns and they are definitely worth the premium!

test them and get back to me...

DarkNinja52 · August 7th, 2009, 08:34 PM

how long did the install take for the shoguns?

Hokie11 · August 7th, 2009, 08:50 PM

install took less than 1 hour using http://www.kawiforums.com/showthread.php?t=135171
fairing removal <5min
jack up engine <1min
remove intuitive front bolt & stock rear bolt <5min
place shogun bars and bolts in and torq'ing <10min
install pucks <5min
check clearance <1min
cut sprocket cover on left side ~20min
put everything back together <10min
I used a drummel tool to cut the sprocket cover, a bit cleaner than a saw as used in the DIY

DarkNinja52 · August 7th, 2009, 09:44 PM

cool, seems like everything went well. how do they look? they tend to look pretty cool imo
hopefully you wont ever find out if they work or not

Hokie11 · August 7th, 2009, 09:52 PM

i love the look! very large pucks really give me more confidence it will do its job, hopefully never!

Hokie11 · August 11th, 2009, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaeL

test them and get back to me...

well... i tested them

actually, i was teaching my fiancee and she tried to turn it around and it fell on its side

scratched it up..

but completely fine! still not touching teh fairings, and this time it fell with its full weight bc my girl cant hold it up once it started to tilt so it slammed on its side and the rear pegs, but no damage. i removed teh fairings to check for any bends and its in great shape!

VERY happy!!

noche_caliente · August 11th, 2009, 07:01 PM

geez Vinh - they were kidding when they asked you to test them! Was she moving or stationary when it fell? Glad to hear the bike lasted it ok - how's the GF?

Hokie11 · August 11th, 2009, 07:16 PM

gf was my last priority

lol jk, shes fine

it was moving at like 3mph bc she was trying to wheel it around on her feet and there was a slight slope..

i think the sliders actually saved her leg because she was pretty much fully under it when it fell and i heard it hit the sliders but she said she didnt feel anything... her also having skinny legs helped too lol

JaeL · August 11th, 2009, 07:17 PM

You win!

demp · August 12th, 2009, 08:04 AM

well I know what to get now, thanks

DarkNinja52 · August 12th, 2009, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demp

well I know what to get now, thanks

A gf with skinny legs?

July 29th, 2009, 04:50 PM	#1
Hokie11 ninjette.org member Name: Vinh Location: Maryland Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): Black 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: 153	Intuitive Frame Sliders SUCK okay so i was taking down my bike from its rear stand... and it tipped to the right... frame slider did save the fairing, but it completely bent into it and the mounting bracket inside the fairing shifted and almost hit the black block near the bolt.. it may have saved my fairing, but sh*t, i did not expect it to move at all. now i have one frame slider on the left which really wont do any good, but i figure its better than nothing. if i left the right one on, the pressure it was putting on my fairing was sure to crack it soon. what a waste of money. i really hope when i order the shogun sliders, they can withstand more than 1 drop and wont shift like that. oh and now i have a dent on my wooden flooring in my condo. (yes i work on my bike indoors. way too hot and humid outdoors for me to do anything) __________________________________________________ Black 09 Ninja 250R\|Shogun Crash Kit\|Woodcraft Full Rearsets\|Proton Flush LEDs\|De-Snorkeled\|Shimmed\|K&N\|Red Rim Tape\|ProGrips\|Puig\|10K HIDs\|15T Front

July 29th, 2009, 04:53 PM	#2
JaeL Bike Thrasher Name: JaeL Location: Omaha Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 EX250r Posts: 334 Blog Entries: 10	what did you want them to do? __________________________________________________ Intuitive Sliders, Aftermarket pegs, Custom Paint, Seat Cowl, Tinted Screen, Aftermarket flush mounts, Wheel Tape, Fender Chopped, Stock Shortie Exhaust and Woodcraft ClipOns

July 29th, 2009, 05:44 PM	#4
Banzai Psychic war veteran Name: Thomas Location: Norfolk, VA Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): Kawi Green '09 Ninja ZX6R Posts: 663	all pointed out in the wiki __________________________________________________ * If you're arguing with some idiot over the internet, chances are pretty good he's doing the same thing! Zodiac Mindwarp and the Love Reaction

July 29th, 2009, 06:50 PM	#5
Hokie11 ninjette.org member Name: Vinh Location: Maryland Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): Black 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: 153	yeah i read that, but considering i was still holding onto the bike as it tipped over in my condo, it wasnt even a full drop with no support. i was sliding in my socks as it fell, so i took probably 1/4 of the weight off and slowed the fall down significantly. yet it still bent the "dog ears" and managed to bend the extending bar itself. they may be cheaper than shoguns and all, but damn, THAT cheap... disappointing. __________________________________________________ Black 09 Ninja 250R\|Shogun Crash Kit\|Woodcraft Full Rearsets\|Proton Flush LEDs\|De-Snorkeled\|Shimmed\|K&N\|Red Rim Tape\|ProGrips\|Puig\|10K HIDs\|15T Front

July 29th, 2009, 06:59 PM	#6
BlueRaven ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Lil One Location: NB Canada Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): '09 Ninja 250 Black Posts: A lot.	You are aware that the sliders are designed for racing to protect your fairing when leaning too much in turns and not for drops or crashes although they do help protect the fairings but the sliders often break on impact depending on the kind. __________________________________________________ I'm not small, I'm fun sized

July 29th, 2009, 08:05 PM	#9
Hokie11 ninjette.org member Name: Vinh Location: Maryland Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): Black 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: 153	yeah.. so i guess even these intuitive frame sliders cant be allowed to be put on its side or the dog ears will bend even when im holding up a decent portion of its weight. people on a budget, as myself, buy these products expecting SOME comfort that they will help protect from a low speed fall or even a tip over. but even a tip over was too much. that is what i am upset about. ive ordered shoguns already because i EXPECT them to do a better job. now if they still arent enough, then someone please speak up. __________________________________________________ Black 09 Ninja 250R\|Shogun Crash Kit\|Woodcraft Full Rearsets\|Proton Flush LEDs\|De-Snorkeled\|Shimmed\|K&N\|Red Rim Tape\|ProGrips\|Puig\|10K HIDs\|15T Front

July 29th, 2009, 08:25 PM	#10
RaceBikeRentals Pimpin Name: Richard Location: Ninja 250 Whorehouse Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): Bunch of em Posts: 973	I put my down at about 40MPH and the Shoguns did a great job of minimizing damage. Nothing bent... the braces are very strong. __________________________________________________ -Richard MotoList.com <<<List your stuff!

July 29th, 2009, 08:46 PM	#11
stroked59 ninjette.org member Name: Tim Location: O*C California Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 Ninja 2505 Posts: 98	Do any of the manufacture's post what type of steel they use.... i ask because i am Fabricator, Welder, Machinist with some experience making such items for friends. i use D.O.M or Chomoly tubing with a minimum of sch. 40 thickness...... cut the damaged one apart and check it, then you could make a suggestion for future part's being manufactured from whom ever made it.... my two cent's

July 29th, 2009, 08:48 PM	#12
Hokie11 ninjette.org member Name: Vinh Location: Maryland Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): Black 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: 153	wiki says theres some dremelling needed. did you have to do that? __________________________________________________ Black 09 Ninja 250R\|Shogun Crash Kit\|Woodcraft Full Rearsets\|Proton Flush LEDs\|De-Snorkeled\|Shimmed\|K&N\|Red Rim Tape\|ProGrips\|Puig\|10K HIDs\|15T Front

July 29th, 2009, 08:50 PM	#13
Hokie11 ninjette.org member Name: Vinh Location: Maryland Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): Black 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: 153	i think i saw some website post the specs, im sure the manuf website says it and probably say how awesome they are as well __________________________________________________ Black 09 Ninja 250R\|Shogun Crash Kit\|Woodcraft Full Rearsets\|Proton Flush LEDs\|De-Snorkeled\|Shimmed\|K&N\|Red Rim Tape\|ProGrips\|Puig\|10K HIDs\|15T Front

July 29th, 2009, 09:06 PM	#14
ztrack157 The Sportisi Master Name: Matt Location: Chico Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250 Posts: A lot.	I have heard horror stories about intuitives and shoguns both. Intuitives have more said about the and they can bend "easily" and damage the block. I have also seen the shoguns which are made better fail miserably as well although very rare and the end up doing more damage than the intuitive will ie punching through the crank case. There really if no built proof slider but take a chance on the one you feel is less likely to cost you more in the end. __________________________________________________ Sportisimoto USA is born.

July 30th, 2009, 04:43 AM	#15
Hokie11 ninjette.org member Name: Vinh Location: Maryland Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): Black 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: 153	nothing is ever fail proof, but if itll save the bike on a tip over or a low speed crash, then im happy. i dont plan to track or anything like that. if im going over 30, i dont really expect much from them. i think if i crash going at high speeds, i have more things to worry about than my bike. __________________________________________________ Black 09 Ninja 250R\|Shogun Crash Kit\|Woodcraft Full Rearsets\|Proton Flush LEDs\|De-Snorkeled\|Shimmed\|K&N\|Red Rim Tape\|ProGrips\|Puig\|10K HIDs\|15T Front

July 30th, 2009, 06:03 AM	#16
Rayme ninjette.org guru Name: Remy Location: Moncton Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): '04 sv650s Posts: 438	I don't beleive in slider, I'll save that 200$ and put it toward repairing anything if I ever drop the bike :/ __________________________________________________ There's 2 types of people in this world, those who complain and those who act.

July 30th, 2009, 06:37 AM	#18
rockNroll . Name: rock Location: greenville, south carolina Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): black Posts: A lot.	In my opinion, the best protection is a set of rear sets (non folding foot pegs). The clip ons, foot pegs and engine cases do pretty well in a get off. The only sliders I would use are ones that attach straight on an engine bolt, which means cutting the body work. This is just from my personal experience going down on the track.. I mean, seeing other guys going down on the track

August 1st, 2009, 11:20 PM	#19
Cedilla ninjette.org sage Name: Chris Location: Huntsville, AL Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250 (sold) Posts: 755	Correct me if I'm wrong, but with the frame sliders all of the force of the impact is being directed into one spot, which seems like it would make things worse as opposed to it landing on the fairings and the force being distributed over a much wider area. I would think that damaged plastics would be a much better outcome than tweaking the frame or damaging anything else the sliders are mounted to. I don't claim to know much about frame sliders so if I have my ideas about them all wrong somebody please correct me.

August 2nd, 2009, 07:58 AM	#21
BlueRaven ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Lil One Location: NB Canada Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): '09 Ninja 250 Black Posts: A lot.	The other option are SATO which seem ok and look like they would not do any damage to the frame if a fall occurs. The sell for $239 CAD from http://www.xtsportbikeaccessories.com/Sliders.html __________________________________________________ I'm not small, I'm fun sized

August 5th, 2009, 01:22 PM	#22
DarkNinja52 ninjette.org sage Name: aj Location: New York / PA Join Date: Jul 2009 Motorcycle(s): Red 09 Ninja 250r aka Sheila (RIP), Red '10 Ninja 250r aka Sasha (Sold), White '13 Ninja 300 (To be Purchased) Posts: 855	i think sliders will save you money only in situations where you would have lost money for a dumb reason such as the wind knocking over your bike or if you forget to put the kickstand down. its nice to have atleast taht kind of insurance so you dont have a cracked up scratched up fairing because it was excessively windy.... (atleast shoguns would save you money havent heard of them doing any more damage to the bike in a simple case like this). As far as im concerned, if the bike is moving and goes down, the only thing thats going to save any part of it is going to be a ton of bubble wrap __________________________________________________

August 7th, 2009, 05:25 PM	#23
JaeL Bike Thrasher Name: JaeL Location: Omaha Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 EX250r Posts: 334 Blog Entries: 10	i installed my innys a couple days ago! __________________________________________________ Intuitive Sliders, Aftermarket pegs, Custom Paint, Seat Cowl, Tinted Screen, Aftermarket flush mounts, Wheel Tape, Fender Chopped, Stock Shortie Exhaust and Woodcraft ClipOns

August 7th, 2009, 07:48 PM	#24
Hokie11 ninjette.org member Name: Vinh Location: Maryland Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): Black 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: 153	just installed my shoguns and they are definitely worth the premium! __________________________________________________ Black 09 Ninja 250R\|Shogun Crash Kit\|Woodcraft Full Rearsets\|Proton Flush LEDs\|De-Snorkeled\|Shimmed\|K&N\|Red Rim Tape\|ProGrips\|Puig\|10K HIDs\|15T Front

August 7th, 2009, 08:34 PM	#26
DarkNinja52 ninjette.org sage Name: aj Location: New York / PA Join Date: Jul 2009 Motorcycle(s): Red 09 Ninja 250r aka Sheila (RIP), Red '10 Ninja 250r aka Sasha (Sold), White '13 Ninja 300 (To be Purchased) Posts: 855	how long did the install take for the shoguns? __________________________________________________

August 7th, 2009, 08:50 PM	#27
Hokie11 ninjette.org member Name: Vinh Location: Maryland Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): Black 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: 153	install took less than 1 hour using http://www.kawiforums.com/showthread.php?t=135171 fairing removal <5min jack up engine <1min remove intuitive front bolt & stock rear bolt <5min place shogun bars and bolts in and torq'ing <10min install pucks <5min check clearance <1min cut sprocket cover on left side ~20min put everything back together <10min I used a drummel tool to cut the sprocket cover, a bit cleaner than a saw as used in the DIY __________________________________________________ Black 09 Ninja 250R\|Shogun Crash Kit\|Woodcraft Full Rearsets\|Proton Flush LEDs\|De-Snorkeled\|Shimmed\|K&N\|Red Rim Tape\|ProGrips\|Puig\|10K HIDs\|15T Front

August 7th, 2009, 09:44 PM	#28
DarkNinja52 ninjette.org sage Name: aj Location: New York / PA Join Date: Jul 2009 Motorcycle(s): Red 09 Ninja 250r aka Sheila (RIP), Red '10 Ninja 250r aka Sasha (Sold), White '13 Ninja 300 (To be Purchased) Posts: 855	cool, seems like everything went well. how do they look? they tend to look pretty cool imo hopefully you wont ever find out if they work or not __________________________________________________

August 7th, 2009, 09:52 PM	#29
Hokie11 ninjette.org member Name: Vinh Location: Maryland Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): Black 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: 153	i love the look! very large pucks really give me more confidence it will do its job, hopefully never! __________________________________________________ Black 09 Ninja 250R\|Shogun Crash Kit\|Woodcraft Full Rearsets\|Proton Flush LEDs\|De-Snorkeled\|Shimmed\|K&N\|Red Rim Tape\|ProGrips\|Puig\|10K HIDs\|15T Front

August 11th, 2009, 07:01 PM	#31
noche_caliente ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Kim Location: mundo de ensueño Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 250 Posts: A lot.	geez Vinh - they were kidding when they asked you to test them! Was she moving or stationary when it fell? Glad to hear the bike lasted it ok - how's the GF? __________________________________________________ Progrip tank pad, blue rim stripes, blue Pazzos, Roaring Toyz lowering kit, Puig DB in dark smoke, Cortech sport tail, super mini tank, and saddlebags, OES swingarm spools and Intuitive frame sliders

August 11th, 2009, 07:16 PM	#32
Hokie11 ninjette.org member Name: Vinh Location: Maryland Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): Black 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: 153	gf was my last priority lol jk, shes fine it was moving at like 3mph bc she was trying to wheel it around on her feet and there was a slight slope.. i think the sliders actually saved her leg because she was pretty much fully under it when it fell and i heard it hit the sliders but she said she didnt feel anything... her also having skinny legs helped too lol __________________________________________________ Black 09 Ninja 250R\|Shogun Crash Kit\|Woodcraft Full Rearsets\|Proton Flush LEDs\|De-Snorkeled\|Shimmed\|K&N\|Red Rim Tape\|ProGrips\|Puig\|10K HIDs\|15T Front

August 11th, 2009, 07:17 PM	#33
JaeL Bike Thrasher Name: JaeL Location: Omaha Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 EX250r Posts: 334 Blog Entries: 10	You win! __________________________________________________ Intuitive Sliders, Aftermarket pegs, Custom Paint, Seat Cowl, Tinted Screen, Aftermarket flush mounts, Wheel Tape, Fender Chopped, Stock Shortie Exhaust and Woodcraft ClipOns

August 12th, 2009, 08:04 AM	#34
demp ninjette.org sage Name: Matthew Location: Toronto Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2015 V-Star 950 Tourer (Deep Blue) Posts: 570	well I know what to get now, thanks

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