Helmet help

Cringer · March 8th, 2012, 05:40 PM

I'm hoping to get some help/guidance on purchasing a helmet. I want one that has built in bluetooth (not one that you add a device to make it so), and a drop down sun visor. I have found this in modulars, but, unless someone can convince me otherwise, I'm not convinced that they're as safe as a non-modular full face. In full face, I can find them with visors, or bluetooth, but not both...at least not without poor reviews.

Thanks in advance.

Alex · March 8th, 2012, 05:47 PM

/moved to gear area

Cringer · March 8th, 2012, 06:05 PM

sorry for posting in the wrong area

gfloyd2002 · March 8th, 2012, 07:54 PM

Don't think you are going to find both in a helmet that will be a better option than an upmarket modular, like a Vemar Jiano, Nolan or similar. Guys rave about the sound quality in the Vemar. And the Schuberth bluetooth setup looks pretty awesome. It fits like wind skirt at the base of the helmet. Comfy looking, low wind noise and high quality.

Link to original page on YouTube.

If safety is a concern, why go with something with built in Bluetooth instead of going aftermarket adding to a normal helmet? Lots of great options out there that fit in a very safe Snell 2010 rated helmet. Cardo Scala, Autocom, etc.

If you go with full face built in bluetooth, I recommend avoiding the VCAN bluetooth helmet. I have some experience with the company from my time living in China, and I have serious doubts about quality. You'll probably be safer with a modular. The ONeal Bluetooth gets mixed reviews, including on this site.

ceke · March 8th, 2012, 08:06 PM

Keep in mind not many headsets, bluetooth or otherwise, can be heard well at speed if you're not behind a decent windscreen. If you're heads in the wind, look out for headsets with limited output. I use a blinc m2, it is useless without my windscreen as the sound level isn't high enough, and/or my helmets wind noise is too high.

cmlilley · March 8th, 2012, 08:07 PM

I have the Schuberth but the next model down. After using it I would never doubt the safety capabilities of this helmet.

Cringer · March 9th, 2012, 12:56 PM

Thanks guys. I'm pretty much down to two... Vemar Jiano modular and Vega V-Tune full face. I wish I could convince myself that modulars are as safe as full face. Anyone have any knowledge on this?

gfloyd2002 · March 9th, 2012, 01:40 PM

Well, this diagram on the main points of helmet impact in a crash shows the basic problem with modular/flip up helmets:

The main impact area is on the chin where your latch is. This article shows what can happen when the latch breaks. The same point is supported by a good WebBike World article noting that some modular helmets experience latch failure issues. Unfortunately neither DOT nor SNELL have a test that measures this potential failure.

That said, overall safety performance for modulars is generally quite good. It seems the important thing to do is focus on a helmet with a solid latching mechanism. Is is latch plastic or metal? What do reviews of the latch system say? There was a very good article in Motorcycle Consumer News from 2010 (which I can't find atm) with a very comprehensive comparison of modular helmets, including the latching system. Other reviews of safety have found good performance. And one modular helmet has actually passed Snell, the Zeus ZS-3000.

So I wouldn't write them off completely, just be thoughtful and do your research. Focus on the latch quality. (And keep the front latched down when you are riding. Probably the bigger safety problem is that people - against manufacturer recommendation and common sense - ride with their face exposed to asphalt.)

TheJimmyEnglish · March 9th, 2012, 02:14 PM

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com...ealFastTrackII

TheJimmyEnglish · March 9th, 2012, 02:18 PM

I would rock that Schuberth too if it weren't so expensive.

cmlilley · March 9th, 2012, 05:21 PM

I lucked up with my Shubereth. My team lead at work only uses it and he buys a new one every few years so I got it for free.

CZroe · March 10th, 2012, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmlilley

I lucked up with my Shubereth. My team lead at work only uses it and he buys a new one every few years so I got it for free.

Next upgrade, pay it forward and pass me one PLZKTHX.

Cringer · March 10th, 2012, 06:10 PM

Thanks for the input. If that Oneal had a drop down shade visor I would be all over that.

Whiskey · March 10th, 2012, 07:00 PM

Sharktooth

Shark have a few with drop down sun visors & have an internal space to fit their own bluetooth module.

Race R & Vision R are full face, have the drop down visor & can have the Sharktooth module fitted.

Fit is similar to Shoei

March 8th, 2012, 05:40 PM	#1
Cringer ninjette.org member Name: Scott Location: Western, NB Join Date: Feb 2012 Motorcycle(s): '09 Ninja 250 Posts: 51	Helmet help I'm hoping to get some help/guidance on purchasing a helmet. I want one that has built in bluetooth (not one that you add a device to make it so), and a drop down sun visor. I have found this in modulars, but, unless someone can convince me otherwise, I'm not convinced that they're as safe as a non-modular full face. In full face, I can find them with visors, or bluetooth, but not both...at least not without poor reviews. Thanks in advance. __________________________________________________ Air goes in, air goes out, blood goes round and round. Any deviation of this is bad.

March 8th, 2012, 05:47 PM	#2
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March 8th, 2012, 06:05 PM	#3
Cringer ninjette.org member Name: Scott Location: Western, NB Join Date: Feb 2012 Motorcycle(s): '09 Ninja 250 Posts: 51	sorry for posting in the wrong area __________________________________________________ Air goes in, air goes out, blood goes round and round. Any deviation of this is bad.

March 8th, 2012, 07:54 PM	#4
gfloyd2002 User Title Free Since '12 Name: Floyd Location: Barbados Join Date: Dec 2010 Motorcycle(s): '10 Ninja 250R Special Edition Green Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 13 MOTM - Feb '12	Don't think you are going to find both in a helmet that will be a better option than an upmarket modular, like a Vemar Jiano, Nolan or similar. Guys rave about the sound quality in the Vemar. And the Schuberth bluetooth setup looks pretty awesome. It fits like wind skirt at the base of the helmet. Comfy looking, low wind noise and high quality. Link to original page on YouTube. If safety is a concern, why go with something with built in Bluetooth instead of going aftermarket adding to a normal helmet? Lots of great options out there that fit in a very safe Snell 2010 rated helmet. Cardo Scala, Autocom, etc. If you go with full face built in bluetooth, I recommend avoiding the VCAN bluetooth helmet. I have some experience with the company from my time living in China, and I have serious doubts about quality. You'll probably be safer with a modular. The ONeal Bluetooth gets mixed reviews, including on this site. __________________________________________________ "Improvement makes straight roads, but the crooked roads without improvement, are roads of genius." — William Blake

March 9th, 2012, 12:56 PM	#7
Cringer ninjette.org member Name: Scott Location: Western, NB Join Date: Feb 2012 Motorcycle(s): '09 Ninja 250 Posts: 51	Thanks guys. I'm pretty much down to two... Vemar Jiano modular and Vega V-Tune full face. I wish I could convince myself that modulars are as safe as full face. Anyone have any knowledge on this? __________________________________________________ Air goes in, air goes out, blood goes round and round. Any deviation of this is bad.

March 8th, 2012, 08:06 PM	#5
ceke ninjette.org member Name: United States Location: San Diego Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): EX250J Posts: 16	Keep in mind not many headsets, bluetooth or otherwise, can be heard well at speed if you're not behind a decent windscreen. If you're heads in the wind, look out for headsets with limited output. I use a blinc m2, it is useless without my windscreen as the sound level isn't high enough, and/or my helmets wind noise is too high.

March 8th, 2012, 08:07 PM	#6
cmlilley ninjette.org member Name: Christian Location: Raleigh, NC Join Date: Mar 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r Posts: 18	I have the Schuberth but the next model down. After using it I would never doubt the safety capabilities of this helmet.

March 9th, 2012, 01:40 PM	#8
gfloyd2002 User Title Free Since '12 Name: Floyd Location: Barbados Join Date: Dec 2010 Motorcycle(s): '10 Ninja 250R Special Edition Green Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 13 MOTM - Feb '12	Well, this diagram on the main points of helmet impact in a crash shows the basic problem with modular/flip up helmets: The main impact area is on the chin where your latch is. This article shows what can happen when the latch breaks. The same point is supported by a good WebBike World article noting that some modular helmets experience latch failure issues. Unfortunately neither DOT nor SNELL have a test that measures this potential failure. That said, overall safety performance for modulars is generally quite good. It seems the important thing to do is focus on a helmet with a solid latching mechanism. Is is latch plastic or metal? What do reviews of the latch system say? There was a very good article in Motorcycle Consumer News from 2010 (which I can't find atm) with a very comprehensive comparison of modular helmets, including the latching system. Other reviews of safety have found good performance. And one modular helmet has actually passed Snell, the Zeus ZS-3000. So I wouldn't write them off completely, just be thoughtful and do your research. Focus on the latch quality. (And keep the front latched down when you are riding. Probably the bigger safety problem is that people - against manufacturer recommendation and common sense - ride with their face exposed to asphalt.) __________________________________________________ "Improvement makes straight roads, but the crooked roads without improvement, are roads of genius." — William Blake Last futzed with by gfloyd2002; March 10th, 2012 at 06:17 PM.

March 9th, 2012, 02:14 PM	#9
TheJimmyEnglish ninjette.org guru Name: Andrew Location: Cleveland TN Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Red Posts: 316	http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com...ealFastTrackII __________________________________________________ My YouTube Channel

March 9th, 2012, 02:18 PM	#10
TheJimmyEnglish ninjette.org guru Name: Andrew Location: Cleveland TN Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Red Posts: 316	I would rock that Schuberth too if it weren't so expensive. __________________________________________________ My YouTube Channel

March 9th, 2012, 05:21 PM	#11
cmlilley ninjette.org member Name: Christian Location: Raleigh, NC Join Date: Mar 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r Posts: 18	I lucked up with my Shubereth. My team lead at work only uses it and he buys a new one every few years so I got it for free.

March 10th, 2012, 06:10 PM	#13
Cringer ninjette.org member Name: Scott Location: Western, NB Join Date: Feb 2012 Motorcycle(s): '09 Ninja 250 Posts: 51	Thanks for the input. If that Oneal had a drop down shade visor I would be all over that. __________________________________________________ Air goes in, air goes out, blood goes round and round. Any deviation of this is bad.

March 10th, 2012, 07:00 PM	#14
Whiskey ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Morgan Location: A city twinned with Kawasaki Join Date: Nov 2011 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250, 2010 STR 675 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 1	Sharktooth Shark have a few with drop down sun visors & have an internal space to fit their own bluetooth module. Race R & Vision R are full face, have the drop down visor & can have the Sharktooth module fitted. Fit is similar to Shoei

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