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Old January 13th, 2016, 10:39 PM   #1
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Light Weight Wheels Ninja 300?

I'm looking to get some light weight wheels for the ninja 300.

Need direction on which brand to look into and price range

Also please direct me to the correct thread if it already exist.
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Old January 14th, 2016, 12:44 AM   #2
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Old January 14th, 2016, 12:49 PM   #3
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Using a blow torch on your wallet prices. I've done some nutty decisions in modifying my Ninja, but this would take he cake.

I haven't reach that level yet. My envy and best wished on anyone who does.

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$2500 for a set of forged ninja 250 wheels???

You can get a set of forged lightweight racing wheels for your car for that kind of money!! and a set of winter tires for your stock rims





...they do pack some serious sex appeal though. Better have Ohlins everything and decked out bike already if you're going to drop that kind of money on Marchesini wheels.
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Old January 16th, 2016, 05:02 AM   #5
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$2500 for a set of forged ninja 250 wheels???

You can get a set of forged lightweight racing wheels for your car for that kind of money!! and a set of winter tires for your stock rims





...they do pack some serious sex appeal though. Better have Ohlins everything and decked out bike already if you're going to drop that kind of money on Marchesini wheels.
There u see how much profit the 'merican shops make.
The price in Italy is 1680 EUR = ~1850 USD plus DHL shipping ~70 USD...

By the way, it is the same with Andreani's.
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Old February 4th, 2016, 10:48 AM   #6
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Adapt these and save yourself a boatload of money:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/191774007255...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

If I was going superbike I'd have already bought them.
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Adapt these and save yourself a boatload of money:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/191774007255...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

If I was going superbike I'd have already bought them.
The front wheel has the rotor on the wrong side. Might have to swap the fork legs around and machine to fit.
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The front wheel has the rotor on the wrong side. Might have to swap the fork legs around and machine to fit.
It might look a little funny but.....why couldn't you just run the wheel backwards?
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The front wheel has the rotor on the wrong side. Might have to swap the fork legs around and machine to fit.
The spokes are radiating in opposite directions from the middle, so if anything, the disc would go on the RH side. A look at pictures of the USA red bull rookies cup bikes confirms this. This wheelset comes from HMC who maintained all the KTMs when there was an American series.
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Interesting, though how much difference would getting light weight wheels make on the the 300? I know that carbon fiber bst wheels are a big thing of bigger bikes but would it really be something that would make a difference on a 250/300.
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Interesting, though how much difference would getting light weight wheels make on the the 300? I know that carbon fiber bst wheels are a big thing of bigger bikes but would it really be something that would make a difference on a 250/300.
Absolutely. Decreasing the unsprung mass and rotational mass is a big thing on smaller hp bikes!
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Absolutely. Decreasing the unsprung mass and rotational mass is a big thing on smaller hp bikes!
Makes sense if I think of it that way.
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It might look a little funny but.....why couldn't you just run the wheel backwards?
That's what we've done with them and actually its almost unnoticeable, but that was on some small supermoto bikes we ran on go cart tracks, nothing close to 50mph.
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The spokes are radiating in opposite directions from the middle, so if anything, the disc would go on the RH side. A look at pictures of the USA red bull rookies cup bikes confirms this. This wheelset comes from HMC who maintained all the KTMs when there was an American series.
There are no USA Red Bull Rookies cup bikes, These came off some that where going to be used in the USA but never happened.
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There are no USA Red Bull Rookies cup bikes, These came off some that where going to be used in the USA but never happened.
The point is that the disc is on the correct side. No need to run the wheel backwards.
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Oops, your absolutely right. Several years ago we got ahold of several sets of these and put them on dirt bikes to race on go cart tracks. On the dirt bikes we had to flip them around because the calipers on the left.
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Interesting, though how much difference would getting light weight wheels make on the the 300? I know that carbon fiber bst wheels are a big thing of bigger bikes but would it really be something that would make a difference on a 250/300.
Absolutely. Decreasing the unsprung mass and rotational mass is a big thing on smaller hp bikes!
I'm not sure on the exact change in weight from switching to my new wheels (including switching to radial tires), but it does feel a tad bit zippier when accelerating. It could be placebo effect, but it just feels like it gets up to speed a little easier.
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If you really want to FEEL (and measure) the difference lighter wheels make; try a pedal road bike with regular, spoked wheels then a light aero wheel set. It will blow you away the difference! However; on a motorcycle you want to make damn sure you don't compromise wheel strength!
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If you really want to FEEL (and measure) the difference lighter wheels make; try a pedal road bike with regular, spoked wheels then a light aero wheel set. It will blow you away the difference!
Just as important is the lacing pattern and how the wheel handles torque.

I assume you're only talking about acceleration, not constant speed? Aero is better for constant speeds and it's crazy how light some of the toroidal aero wheels are.
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Anyone know why they say not to powdercoat these? It's one of the few upgrades I have left but if I can't get my wheels done up in my purple then forget it :P
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I'm guessing they have surface hardness treatment and/or heat treating. If the manufacturer suggested no PC, I'd probably listen
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Go on a personal diet would be the best bet, if your looking for weight loss of the bike.

I personally could stand to lose about 20 lbs, or 1 1/2 stones.
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Go on a personal diet would be the best bet, if your looking for weight loss of the bike.

I personally could stand to lose about 20 lbs, or 1 1/2 stones.
I'm already tiny personally, though a good suggestion generally speaking. Also, the rider's weight is sprung -- wheels are unsprung. :P
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Anyone know why they say not to powdercoat these? It's one of the few upgrades I have left but if I can't get my wheels done up in my purple then forget it :P
I didn't see where they specifically said that, but there are parts of the powder coating process that can damage a wheel (alter the heat treating) if not done properly.

Heat is the problem. Too much for too long and you will change the heat treating and soften the wheel.

The majority of the wheels I coat are forged factory Porsche race wheels, and I am very careful not to alter the heat treating. They are over $1500 each, and run on cars approaching 200 mph, so there's no room for error.

I would say those wheels could be coated, but I would make sure the shop is experienced with wheels. I would quiz them about their process, and if they are not familiar with heat treating or "aging" of aluminum I would find someone that is. If they say anything out "outgassing" or "burn-off" I would run away...

In the Las Vegas area, I would talk to Juan at Snail Motorsports (http://www.snailmotorsports.com/powder-coating).


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I'm already tiny personally, though a good suggestion generally speaking. Also, the rider's weight is sprung -- wheels are unsprung. :P
True, but overall weight, and if one weighs less, it's less sprung weight, and overall weight equals faster times, horsepower to weight ratios etc....

For the cost of the rims, I don't see it as a viable option, unless your a professional racer on the moto gp circuit.

But hey I've spent money on things I just wanted to have, for that reason, I wanted it. Like my titanium fasteners, I sure as hell didn't need them, I wanted them, and had to replace some of the OEM ones(rotor, caliper bolts, and rear sprocket nuts, etc..), a good enough excuse for me.
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I didn't see where they specifically said that, but there are parts of the powder coating process that can damage a wheel (alter the heat treating) if not done properly.

Heat is the problem. Too much for too long and you will change the heat treating and soften the wheel.

The majority of the wheels I coat are forged factory Porsche race wheels, and I am very careful not to alter the heat treating. They are over $1500 each, and run on cars approaching 200 mph, so there's no room for error.

I would say those wheels could be coated, but I would make sure the shop is experienced with wheels. I would quiz them about their process, and if they are not familiar with heat treating or "aging" of aluminum I would find someone that is. If they say anything out "outgassing" or "burn-off" I would run away...

In the Las Vegas area, I would talk to Juan at Snail Motorsports (http://www.snailmotorsports.com/powder-coating).


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Would it be possible to anodize them, since they're aluminum? I don't know how forging affects the anodizing process, or how anodizing would affect the strength. I don't really know much about anodizing, other than it turns aluminum different colors. =)

This looks right up @Yakaru's alley:
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Would it be possible to anodize them, since they're aluminum? I don't know how forging affects the anodizing process, or how anodizing would affect the strength. I don't really know much about anodizing, other than it turns aluminum different colors. =)

This looks right up @Yakaru's alley:
That photo from Snail Motorsports is most likely a matte clear coat over a dormant base, or a matte powder similar to a candy they call "anodized", which gives an anodized look.

I'm pretty sure they do not do anodizing.
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True, but overall weight, and if one weighs less, it's less sprung weight, and overall weight equals faster times, horsepower to weight ratios etc....

For the cost of the rims, I don't see it as a viable option, unless your a professional racer on the moto gp circuit.

But hey I've spent money on things I just wanted to have, for that reason, I wanted it. Like my titanium fasteners, I sure as hell didn't need them, I wanted them, and had to replace some of the OEM ones(rotor, caliper bolts, and rear sprocket nuts, etc..), a good enough excuse for me.
Yeah, this is one of the last ways you should try to shave weight. It's very expensive for what you get. But if this is what you're down to, and it's worth the cost to you, then this is how you do it.

My wheel (and more) swap sure seemed to help acceleration, even though it was only a few pounds (I've got many times that amount I could lose personally) and I did it mostly for the look. Mine, including the swingarm swap, new tires, and brakes was still less than half the cost of a set of these forged wheels. As with everything else, there are multiple levels at different price points, depending on how much you want to spend and what you're trying to get out of it. Most people think I'm crazy for spending what I did on a minor mostly-aesthetic change, even if they do like the results.
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That photo from Snail Motorsports is most likely a matte clear coat over a dormant base, or a matte powder similar to a candy they call "anodized", which gives an anodized look.

I'm pretty sure they do not do anodizing.
That makes sense, and seems in line with their other stuff. It looks like a number of people are painting things so that it looks anodized, but isn't actually. http://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.coba...3209c4bafd.jpg is another one.

But do you know anything about anodizing wheels? I'm curious now.
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It's not that viable of a solution for all of us. Not all of us carry spare parts, as it were


I could stand to put on 10 lbs.
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My wheels are base coated with Reflectra and then have a Candy Purple coat applied. After that, clear coat to taste.

Also, the reason I'm interested I will admit is because I'm running out of projects. I think the only system I've got left to improve is brakes, unless I want to crack apart the engine or transmission which seems unlikely.
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That makes sense, and seems in line with their other stuff. It looks like a number of people are painting things so that it looks anodized, but isn't actually. http://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.coba...3209c4bafd.jpg is another one.

But do you know anything about anodizing wheels? I'm curious now.
I'm not familiar with anodizing.

From what I gather most places don't care to do smaller jobs like 2 wheels, and there aren't that many shops around.
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My wheels are base coated with Reflectra and then have a Candy Purple coat applied. After that, clear coat to taste.

Also, the reason I'm interested I will admit is because I'm running out of projects. I think the only system I've got left to improve is brakes, unless I want to crack apart the engine or transmission which seems unlikely.
Lol, I know exactly how you feel. It's weird, but there's something nice about sitting back and saying, "it's done" and enjoying it.
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