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Old June 30th, 2017, 12:20 PM   #1
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Ninja 300 2018

Anyone else notice this?

I might just buy my first brand new bike.

https://www.motorbeam.com/2017/05/bi...-300-rendered/

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Old June 30th, 2017, 12:29 PM   #2
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seen a thing like that last year also, as for a change i don't see it happening they went 20 years on the pregen style and 5 for the next gen, there on there 5th year for the 300. also cbr's are not here yet ether.
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Old June 30th, 2017, 07:39 PM   #3
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Yeah but the reason they stuck with the same 250 ninja for so many years was because there was no competition. Now that that has changed I can see them making improvements to remain on top of the game. Time will tell.
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I see it happening, especially with the R3 coming out.
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Young Machine is notorious for photoshopping stuff that people would love to see, which never winds up being real. Pure click-bait. Move along, nothing to see here.

Yes, the 300 will get refreshed at some point. No, it will not look like that.

It's July. Do you REALLY think that we're getting a first glimpse of a 2018 model here?
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Old July 5th, 2017, 02:49 AM   #6
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Yeah but the reason they stuck with the same 250 ninja for so many years was because there was no competition. Now that that has changed I can see them making improvements to remain on top of the game. Time will tell.
Agree. The Ninja was the first 300 to come out and had no competition initially but now there is the CBR, KTM RC390 and R3 to compete against for market share.
If Kawasaki is the first to get a new generation 300 out then they could potentially reap a heap of sales. I would buy one if the specs met my expectations. I'm currently on a CBR300 but looking to upgrade. There's rumor of a new CBR for 2018 too but if Honda drags the chain then I could easily be on a Kwaka next year. I'd be wanting to see features like USD forks, aluminium swing arm, more suspension adjustment, more HP and maybe cc's even? Not so bothered about Ride By Wire or riding modes.

Hopefully we hear something between now and the motorcycle shows later in the year (Intermot, EICMA etc) where new models are often first shown.

I'll def share anything I hear!
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. I'd be wanting to see features like usd forks, aluminium swing arm, more suspension adjustment, more hp and maybe cc's even? Not so bothered about ride by wire or riding modes.

I'll def share anything i hear! :d
sounds like a new 600 is what your looking for with those things
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seen a thing like that last year also, as for a change i don't see it happening they went 20 years on the pregen style and 5 for the next gen, there on there 5th year for the 300. also cbr's are not here yet ether.
there was a time when every other year they were coming up with new 600ss and 1000ss, wouldn't surprise me if the new battles are with the 300ss
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It's July. Do you REALLY think that we're getting a first glimpse of a 2018 model here?
If history is an indicator of the future, they have already started working on an update to compete with the KTM and R3
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sounds like a new 600 is what your looking for with those things
If I was going to go bigger I would probably go for the likes of the Ninja 650 or FZ/MT-07 rather than a super sports 600 as I do a lot of inter-provincial riding and need a slightly less racy riding position and more compliant suspension.

I like the 300's as they are cheaper to run and purchase plus it's great fun to thrash the be-jesus out of a small bike!

It's a pity they stopped making the 400cc fours in the mid nineties as I believe they were the ideal size. I had a GSXR400 for a while and loved it.
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I just want a lightweight SS with usable power. I tried a 750 and its just way too much for the street, the weight didn't really bother me but I do like my bikes smaller. I was looking at a Honda NSR in the bay area though/
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Haven't heard too much lately, but the Rumor Mill was churning a while ago about a CBR250RR 2-cyl that might make it to the states as a 300 or 350. It was shown with upgraded components like USD forks and an aluminum swingarm.

It would be fun if the major manufactures all wanted to own the 300 class, and were prepared to step it up. Not sure that's going to happen, but it would be neat.

CBR250RR article and video - http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2016/...n-early-tests/
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Haven't heard too much lately, but the Rumor Mill was churning a while ago about a CBR250RR 2-cyl that might make it to the states as a 300 or 350. It was shown with upgraded components like USD forks and an aluminum swingarm.

It would be fun if the major manufactures all wanted to own the 300 class, and were prepared to step it up. Not sure that's going to happen, but it would be neat.

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CBR300RR came out in 2016...
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CBR300RR came out in 2016...
There is a CBR300R that came out in 2014 and is still a current model (I ride one), but there is no such bike as a CBR300RR.

There is a CBR250RR however as shown in jkv45's link that was released late last year, firstly in Indonesia (where they are made) and more recently Japan.

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CBR300RR came out in 2016...
Just an enlarged CBR250R (single"R") single cylinder.

The "RR" is a twin, and is much more of a direct competitor to the Ninja 300 and the R3. The current CBR300R isn't up to the task.
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I had a chance to ride a real RR in Australia. A 1994 CBR250RR with 19,000rpm redline and 45bhp! Wow, that was fun!!!
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I had a chance to ride a real RR in Australia. A 1994 CBR250RR with 19,000rpm redline and 45bhp! Wow, that was fun!!!
The good old days when RR really meant something!

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Just an enlarged CBR250R (single"R") single cylinder.

The "RR" is a twin, and is much more of a direct competitor to the Ninja 300 and the R3. The current CBR300R isn't up to the task.
Oh What? Pickin on my bike! Haha

Nah, your absolutely right, it's just a stroked version of the CBR250R single that came out in 2011. Fairly old tech and only 286cc, not even the full 300.
I can get 100MPH out of mine on a good day as I have a really good PTW ratio. I stripped 30lbs of crap off the bike and I only weigh 130 myself.
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Weight is primarily for acceleration. Top-speed is all about aero-drag and punching the smallest tunnel through the air possible. I've found removing mirrors, getting into tight-tuck with hands behind the screen (use pinkie-finger to keep gas pinned), can really improve top-speed.
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Wake me up when they put out a 336 or 363!!!
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Wake me up when they put out a 336 or 363!!!
I think 344 has a nice ring to it as well. 350 would be too old school.
How about a ZX-4
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Funny how history repeats itself. Back then, the next step up from 250cc 19k-rpm 4-bangers was... 400cc 14k-rpm 4-bangers...

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Funny how history repeats itself. Back then, the next step up from 250cc 19k-rpm 4-bangers was... 400cc 14k-rpm 4-bangers...
One of the cool things about living in New Zealand (apart from the nice scenery, awesome biking roads and only 4 million people!) is that we were lucky enough to receive the Japanese 250 and 400 fours from the mid eighties thru to the mid nineties.

There's still heaps of them around for sale 2nd hand. I've not long sold my '94 GSXR 400 - 15K redline, 59HP, 169kg (372lb) dry weight. A real hoot to ride, put a smile on my face every time I threw a leg over it. The sound of the 4 into 1 coming on song as the needle swung past the 10K mark was infectious!
I only sold it to fund another bike purchase but I'm sure I will have another 250 or 400 four in my garage at some stage. Really keen to get a Honda VFR400 as I've heard the engine is a gem.
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Only 400 we got here was this model, also with 59bhp.

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My brother has a VFR400. Single-sided swingarm is pretty trick looking. The gear-driven cams sounds really smooth!

Hmmm, I see a 1995 CBR250RR for sale near me... hmmmm.... getting parts for it in U.S. is gonna be tough...
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Looks very much like a Ninja 300? Perhaps they have just stroked/bored the existing motor.
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Looks very much like a Ninja 300? Perhaps they have just stroked/bored the existing motor.
In Japan, they have Ninja 400...which is a sleeved down version of Ninja 650 in USA.

I wonder about the engine though..

As we know, the Ninja 300's engine is based on the Ninja 250. I don't think there's much of a room to stroke/bore up to 400cc.
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In Japan, they have Ninja 400...which is a sleeved down version of Ninja 650 in USA.

I wonder about the engine though..

As we know, the Ninja 300's engine is based on the Ninja 250. I don't think there's much of a room to stroke/bore up to 400cc.
Agreed. To turn a 250 into a 400 is a big ask. It's not just about the practicalities of whether you have enough meat to increase the bore size but also whether the bottom end of the engine and the transmission can withstand the extra HP's being thrown at it.
I'm erring towards it being either a completely new engine or a sleeved down 650, which sounds like the cheaper option of the two.
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Yeah, stroking and boring out existing 250 with new sleeves only gets you up to about 344-350cc.
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Yeah, stroking and boring out existing 250 with new sleeves only gets you up to about 344-350cc.
Which means, Kawasaki will more than likely just use an existing 400cc engine from the Ninja 400.
http://www.kawasaki-motors.com/mc/lineup/ninja400/


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399cc Parallel Twin
Bore: 68.4mm
Stroke: 54.3mm
Compression Ratio: 11:1
Power: 32kW (43hp) @9,500rpm
Torque: 44Nm (32.45lb-ft) @7,500rpm

Now you might hope Kawasaki will invest time & money to develop brand new engine from scratch, but no, you're wrong.
This is an entry level category and cost-efficiency of developing a bike like this is very important.

It will be an 43hp engine from Ninja 400, which is a sleeved down version of Ninja 650 we have in USA/Canada.
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It's hard to tell but the rear subframe looks different from the 400 from Japan but it looks like it has the same crappy forks the ninja 250/300 has.
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It's hard to tell but the rear subframe looks different from the 400 from Japan but it looks like it has the same crappy forks the ninja 250/300 has.
Racetech and the likes will be pleased - more orders for a decent set of aftermarket springs.
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It will be an 43hp engine from Ninja 400, which is a sleeved down version of Ninja 650 we have in USA/Canada.
Certainly looks like it huh? Even got the rear-end from the 650.
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Whatever they do, please God don't make it a single. Thumpers sound like weed whackers.
KTM RC390 is a single.

Don't worry, Yoshimura made a dual exhaust for it

http://www.yoshimura-rd.com/prodcat/...ust-system.asp

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As was already written, the 300 cannot RELIABLY be enlarged to a true 400cc without serious issues being overcame. FYI the R3 is actually 321cc, the is KTM is 372cc, and the current Ninja is 296cc. There also is a BMW "310" coming out that is actually 313cc.

I think its entirely possible the "400" would be closer to 375cc with a lot of marketing fluff to come.
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And it sounds like a weed whacker.

Because it's a single.

That doesn't mean it's not a cool bike. It just sounds lousy.
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And it sounds like a weed whacker.

Because it's a single.

That doesn't mean it's not a cool bike. It just sounds lousy.
So do you also think the Moto3 bikes sound lousy? If so you lose all respect..lol
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