Sportisi BRT TIS review - Page 4

wayanlam · April 14th, 2011, 06:50 PM

only slightly noticable on the dyno with my bike, but not really that noticeable during rides...

mainly what i like about BRT is that i dont run into the rev limiter like on the stock cdi, which was really annoying, lol

there is an noticeable improvement during rides and also on the dyno, between the stock and the BRT cdi though. but like you guys have mentioned... not much between the 2 maps :P

i think if you start to mess about with the engine more, port it, increase compression, etc, and fine tune the timing, then there would be a more noticeable difference between stock map, and modified map. and at that point you would then be using the full potential of the BRT i guess.

W~

abhijitz · June 6th, 2012, 12:57 AM

Reviving this thread.

So, any real world feedback on the new non-programmable models? What max rpm setting have you guys played around with 13K , 14K ?

dubojr1 · June 6th, 2012, 05:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abhijitz

Reviving this thread.

So, any real world feedback on the new non-programmable models? What max rpm setting have you guys played around with 13K , 14K ?

There is no settings if it's "non-programmable".... I believe it comes with a 15k rev limiter.

Somchai · June 6th, 2012, 05:49 AM

@dubojr1 - you said: "Idle hang can be a lean condition"
Jason, excuse me when I correct you, but from what I've learned idle hang is rich condition.
And one information, but I'm not sure if its correct for your ninjettes in the USA. Here in Thailand we have 91 octane benzine only and that's to compare with your 87. So I'm using the Factorypro Ignition advancing what means I run my ignition with static 5 more degrees than factory build (15° at 1300 rpm and 43° at 6000 rmp) and I don't hear knocking or anything else. Now I always ride with one gear lower to have higher revs, because that's much more fun then before. The engine of my ninjette is reving really aggressive now. The only thing I don't know is if it is rich enough because here we don't have a dyno, but I'm using the Fast Fuel-System from Leovince with their mapping and hope it's ok so.
One indicator for a wrong setup in ignition is when the engine's getting hot and my engines temperature now is lower then before, so i think it must be good - ha ha

dubojr1 · June 6th, 2012, 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Somchai

@dubojr1 - you said: "Idle hang can be a lean condition"
Jason, excuse me when I correct you, but from what I've learned idle hang is rich condition.

Where is that quote from? I'm trying to review what I said before explaining it.

HKr1 · June 6th, 2012, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Somchai

@dubojr1 - you said: "Idle hang can be a lean condition"
excuse me when I correct you, but from what I've learned idle hang is rich condition.
:

You learned wrong, look for a better teacher

I personally wouldnt want to advance my idle timing...... guess no real choice using some sort of static +5.

abhijitz · June 6th, 2012, 10:38 AM

15K rev limiter is a LOT. Are you sure that is what it is on the non-prog one? I think they should set it at 14K with buffer till 14.5K ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubojr1

There is no settings if it's "non-programmable".... I believe it comes with a 15k rev limiter.

HKr1 - are you selling yours?

HKr1 · June 6th, 2012, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abhijitz

HKr1 - are you selling yours?

No, our stock cdi starting suffering from the florida heat

I like the way it runs with the brt...... just really scared the wife might forget the kickstand one day,,, its always on my mind, hope its always on her's.

Somchai · June 6th, 2012, 07:31 PM

@ dubojr1 - the quote is from your post #68

Somchai · June 7th, 2012, 03:47 AM

@HKr1 - Thx for your tipp about my teacher, I can't ask him anymore because he already passed away.
And yes you're right, but please don't forget the solution is a 'can be' what means it can be too rich but also can be too lean.
But for your word about my ignition advancing by static 5 degree let me show you a very very simple chart. In your pos #101 you'd show the timing of the brt-tis.
Please take a look, the FI-Ninja has a standard-timing of 10° at 1300 rpm and 38° at 6000 rpm, while the standard-timing of the carb ninjette is 10° at 1300 rpm and 35° at 3500 rpm and this would look anyhow like this:
Ignition Timing
RPM Ninja 250R FI Ninja 250R Carb
1300 10 15 10 10
2000 14 19 15 41
2500 17 22 20 41
3000 20 25 25 41
3500 23 28 30 41
4000 26 31 35 41
4500 29 34 35 41
5000 32 37 35 41
5500 35 40 35 41
6000 38 43 35 41
This must not be exactly the timing because the cdi can have a special timing curve and so my numbers could be completly wrong, so take it as a brainstorming only.
But what i would like to tell is that also a wrong timing can be the reason for idle hang and many more errors could cause this to happen, like wrong valve timing, wrong air ect.

HKr1 · June 7th, 2012, 04:54 AM

Well, advancing the timing at idle.... Changes the idle speed(advance higher/retard lower). So this means you need to lower idle via the throttle blades. On FI this will also change your tps setting..(dont recall the 250 fi having IAC) On a carb it will change the whole transition for the idle mix/pilot jet transition.
On an fi bike a pc would be a great way to change your timing without affecting idle. Carb bike would be the brt......

CThunder-blue · August 1st, 2012, 07:23 PM

Just thought I'd share an impression. I recently pulled the BRT TIS non-programmable unit and stuck in the stock CDI.

Background- I've only used 87 octane in the bike with the BRT. I kept it in the closed loop position. Closed loop = base map. Open loop = advanced map.

Since removing it and installing the stock CDI- the bike starts up right away without the choke on. It's jetted with a K&N drop in filter too. It's not stock so don't harp on me for starting without the choke. It works and it doesn't back fire. That's the bright side. The down side is the loss of power. It seems like maybe BRT used the pregen ignition map for the base tune. With the BRT TIS, there was noticeable pick up well past 9k. With the stock CDI, the power seems to level off after 9k. It just doesn't pull like it does with the BRT TIS on the base map.

I'm considering not selling the BRT and putting it back in. Currently, it's for sale, but I miss the gitty up.

headshrink · August 4th, 2012, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CThunder-blue

I'm considering not selling the BRT and putting it back in. Currently, it's for sale, but I miss the gitty up.

Hey, didn't you almost sell it to me a year or two ago?

I think you should keep it, unless you REALLY need the money. You sound too attached, and may regret selling it later. At the very least keep it in your parts bin as long as you own your bike.

CThunder-blue · August 4th, 2012, 10:54 PM

I don't recall. I think I might have posted it up for sale once before. LOL. I don't really need the money any more. I got enough together for my new used bike

. I'm seriously debating on putting it back in though. The bike just had more pep in it's step and I don't see any difference in MPG.

headshrink · August 4th, 2012, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CThunder-blue

I don't recall. I think I might have posted it up for sale once before. LOL. I don't really need the money any more. I got enough together for my new used bike

. I'm seriously debating on putting it back in though. The bike just had more pep in it's step and I don't see any difference in MPG.

I'm sorry, I remember who it was... sorry, I didn't look close enough at your info. and mistook you.

CThunder-blue · August 4th, 2012, 11:48 PM

How dare you?!

headshrink · August 5th, 2012, 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CThunder-blue

How dare you?!

I know, I know, and after all these years.... I must have been drinking.

verandaman · August 28th, 2012, 10:41 AM

My module failed at Bonneville (would only idle) can't get a hold of anyone for help.
Quite a bit of money down the drain

CThunder-blue · August 28th, 2012, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by verandaman

My module failed at Bonneville (would only idle) can't get a hold of anyone for help.
Quite a bit of money down the drain

Try contacting Samw http://www.ninjette.org/forums/member.php?u=8202. He's the US sportisi dealer now and might be able to help if you're still under warranty.

mgentz · May 22nd, 2014, 04:50 PM

Does Sam still sell?

headshrink · May 22nd, 2014, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mgentz

Does Sam still sell?

I'm not sure, but if all else fails I'll be selling mine when I figure out what I'm doing with my bike. It's non-programmable. (not yet an official announcement)

DaBlue1 · May 22nd, 2014, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mgentz

Does Sam still sell?

Sportisi has got it on the website.

http://sportisimotorsport.us/index.p...products_id=12

April 14th, 2011, 06:50 PM	#121
wayanlam ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Wayan Location: Bali - Indonesia Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2014 Z250 Posts: A lot.	only slightly noticable on the dyno with my bike, but not really that noticeable during rides... mainly what i like about BRT is that i dont run into the rev limiter like on the stock cdi, which was really annoying, lol there is an noticeable improvement during rides and also on the dyno, between the stock and the BRT cdi though. but like you guys have mentioned... not much between the 2 maps :P i think if you start to mess about with the engine more, port it, increase compression, etc, and fine tune the timing, then there would be a more noticeable difference between stock map, and modified map. and at that point you would then be using the full potential of the BRT i guess. W~ __________________________________________________ Kawasaki Z250, Bored up to 300cc with 12.8 CR, 41hp at wheel 27nm torque, Two bros full exhaust with DB killer Dynojet Power Commander V, KnN Open filter, intake and exhaust ported, Puig Windshield

June 6th, 2012, 12:57 AM	#122
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August 1st, 2012, 07:23 PM	#132
CThunder-blue ModMy250.com Name: Tri Location: St, Louis Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R, 2005 R6 Posts: A lot.	Just thought I'd share an impression. I recently pulled the BRT TIS non-programmable unit and stuck in the stock CDI. Background- I've only used 87 octane in the bike with the BRT. I kept it in the closed loop position. Closed loop = base map. Open loop = advanced map. Since removing it and installing the stock CDI- the bike starts up right away without the choke on. It's jetted with a K&N drop in filter too. It's not stock so don't harp on me for starting without the choke. It works and it doesn't back fire. That's the bright side. The down side is the loss of power. It seems like maybe BRT used the pregen ignition map for the base tune. With the BRT TIS, there was noticeable pick up well past 9k. With the stock CDI, the power seems to level off after 9k. It just doesn't pull like it does with the BRT TIS on the base map. I'm considering not selling the BRT and putting it back in. Currently, it's for sale, but I miss the gitty up. __________________________________________________ The www.ModMy250.com guy

August 4th, 2012, 10:54 PM	#134
CThunder-blue ModMy250.com Name: Tri Location: St, Louis Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R, 2005 R6 Posts: A lot.	I don't recall. I think I might have posted it up for sale once before. LOL. I don't really need the money any more. I got enough together for my new used bike . I'm seriously debating on putting it back in though. The bike just had more pep in it's step and I don't see any difference in MPG. __________________________________________________ The www.ModMy250.com guy

August 4th, 2012, 11:48 PM	#136
CThunder-blue ModMy250.com Name: Tri Location: St, Louis Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R, 2005 R6 Posts: A lot.	How dare you?! __________________________________________________ The www.ModMy250.com guy

June 6th, 2012, 05:49 AM	#124
Somchai Freedom for Germany Location: This World Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R-FI Posts: A lot.	@dubojr1 - you said: "Idle hang can be a lean condition" Jason, excuse me when I correct you, but from what I've learned idle hang is rich condition. And one information, but I'm not sure if its correct for your ninjettes in the USA. Here in Thailand we have 91 octane benzine only and that's to compare with your 87. So I'm using the Factorypro Ignition advancing what means I run my ignition with static 5 more degrees than factory build (15° at 1300 rpm and 43° at 6000 rmp) and I don't hear knocking or anything else. Now I always ride with one gear lower to have higher revs, because that's much more fun then before. The engine of my ninjette is reving really aggressive now. The only thing I don't know is if it is rich enough because here we don't have a dyno, but I'm using the Fast Fuel-System from Leovince with their mapping and hope it's ok so. One indicator for a wrong setup in ignition is when the engine's getting hot and my engines temperature now is lower then before, so i think it must be good - ha ha

June 6th, 2012, 07:31 PM	#129
Somchai Freedom for Germany Location: This World Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R-FI Posts: A lot.	@ dubojr1 - the quote is from your post #68

June 7th, 2012, 03:47 AM	#130
Somchai Freedom for Germany Location: This World Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R-FI Posts: A lot.	@HKr1 - Thx for your tipp about my teacher, I can't ask him anymore because he already passed away. And yes you're right, but please don't forget the solution is a 'can be' what means it can be too rich but also can be too lean. But for your word about my ignition advancing by static 5 degree let me show you a very very simple chart. In your pos #101 you'd show the timing of the brt-tis. Please take a look, the FI-Ninja has a standard-timing of 10° at 1300 rpm and 38° at 6000 rpm, while the standard-timing of the carb ninjette is 10° at 1300 rpm and 35° at 3500 rpm and this would look anyhow like this: Ignition Timing RPM Ninja 250R FI Ninja 250R Carb 1300 10 15 10 10 2000 14 19 15 41 2500 17 22 20 41 3000 20 25 25 41 3500 23 28 30 41 4000 26 31 35 41 4500 29 34 35 41 5000 32 37 35 41 5500 35 40 35 41 6000 38 43 35 41 This must not be exactly the timing because the cdi can have a special timing curve and so my numbers could be completly wrong, so take it as a brainstorming only. But what i would like to tell is that also a wrong timing can be the reason for idle hang and many more errors could cause this to happen, like wrong valve timing, wrong air ect.

June 7th, 2012, 04:54 AM	#131
HKr1 IC2(SW) Name: Kerry Location: Pensacola Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: A lot.	Well, advancing the timing at idle.... Changes the idle speed(advance higher/retard lower). So this means you need to lower idle via the throttle blades. On FI this will also change your tps setting..(dont recall the 250 fi having IAC) On a carb it will change the whole transition for the idle mix/pilot jet transition. On an fi bike a pc would be a great way to change your timing without affecting idle. Carb bike would be the brt......

August 28th, 2012, 10:41 AM	#138
verandaman ninjette.org newbie Name: john Location: cannon beach Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 08 ninja 250 Posts: 6	sportisimoto module My module failed at Bonneville (would only idle) can't get a hold of anyone for help. Quite a bit of money down the drain

May 22nd, 2014, 04:50 PM	#140
mgentz Board Member Name: ... Location: WI Join Date: Dec 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250R (street), 250R (dirt) Posts: A lot.	Does Sam still sell?

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