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Old November 22nd, 2019, 09:44 AM   #41
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I doubt they will, the display will most likely echo the Tokyo display, bikes up on a platform. I'm going for the public day, the closed industry day is the 28th.

If you guys can't get them in the USA, I'd be interested in helping with importing them to the west coast as "off road only" vehicles. We would need to get enough orders to fill a container, or at least get reasonably close to make it financially feasible. Base container cost is $2k, and then export and bonding fees quickly double that.

If someone proposes a spec race class and there's enough interest, maybe you can get a local Kawasaki dealer can import instead? I can't imagine Kawasaki saying no to a spec series with guaranteed sales and publicity.
AFMracing does have new spec series called Ninja Cup sponsored by Kawasaki and Feel Like a Pro. This last year was 1st season and it had mediocre turn-out due to overlapping with many existing classes: 250 Superbike, 300WSS, Lightweight Twins, etc. Kawasaki did offer new Ninja 400 as prize for series winner! I'll talk to Dave about perhaps stocking some ZX-25Rs for rental!

Filling container with pre-orders is going to be difficult. Can stuff something like 36-45 bike crates into container. There's partial-container shipments available. Cost is reasonable per cubic-meter. Although once you get above 10-15 bikes, it'd be better off to ship your own.

I think you've got at least 2-3 sufficiently interested parties who will put money down on this. Let's talk more about this.
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Old November 22nd, 2019, 09:56 AM   #42
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I'll be checking it out at the Bangkok motor expo Nov. 29th. Sounds like it will be manufactured in Thailand and Indonesia. Thailand doesn't have tiered licensing, but taxes are insane, perfect market for a higher-powered 250. I was in the market for a vfr400, looks like I'll be getting one of these instead if the power to weight is ok.

The older 250 i4's are available here, but most have been ridden hard and it shows. I just hope the new one is up to specc. Old zx250r had dual discs, curved radiator, etc. New bike looks like it's missing those things from the Tokyo reveal.
My brother has an NC21 and it's faster than EX500. But is slightly portly at 400lbs. Original ZXR250 weighs in at ~355-lbs, so even lighter than current Ninja 400. So it really didn't need dual front disc-brakes. Hopefully ZX-25R didn't gain any weight over the decades. With same power as VFR400 and less weight, it should be quite formidable machine!

I still like looks of ZXR250 better! It's little clone of ZX7R!

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Old November 22nd, 2019, 12:36 PM   #43
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AFMracing does have new spec series called Ninja Cup sponsored by Kawasaki and Feel Like a Pro. This last year was 1st season and it had mediocre turn-out due to overlapping with many existing classes: 250 Superbike, 300WSS, Lightweight Twins, etc. Kawasaki did offer new Ninja 400 as prize for series winner! I'll talk to Dave about perhaps stocking some ZX-25Rs for rental!

Filling container with pre-orders is going to be difficult. Can stuff something like 36-45 bike crates into container. There's partial-container shipments available. Cost is reasonable per cubic-meter. Although once you get above 10-15 bikes, it'd be better off to ship your own.

I think you've got at least 2-3 sufficiently interested parties who will put money down on this. Let's talk more about this.
I was thinking 20 foot container. We could do LTL, but that ends up costing quite a bit, especially if we have to send each bike seperately. Most of the cost is paperwork related landing bonds, etc. I used to import apple juice to the US from the UK for the cider industry, we did 20 foot refers

Honestly, I think you as a motorcycle business owner should reach out to Kawasaki and ask if they will help you. If they won't, then I can find a dealer in Thailand who will.

Don't forget, Kawasaki is claiming it's a world wide model, so the USA might still get them, even if they prove to be a special order item!
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My brother has an NC21 and it's faster than EX500. But is slightly portly at 400lbs. Original ZXR250 weighs in at ~355-lbs, so even lighter than current Ninja 400. So it really didn't need dual front disc-brakes. Hopefully ZX-25R didn't gain any weight over the decades. With same power as VFR400 and less weight, it should be quite formidable machine!

I still like looks of ZXR250 better! It's little clone of ZX7R!

VFR400's are available here for reasonable amounts, I was actually looking at buying one, that's how I saw the press release for this. If it can't beat a VFR400 in the weight and handling department, I'll end up on a VFR as a next purchase instead. Ducati got the 796 hypers down to ~375ish, this better beat that.
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Old November 22nd, 2019, 01:14 PM   #45
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I think you've got at least 2-3 sufficiently interested parties who will put money down on this. Let's talk more about this.
I'm totally in for one myself, FWIW
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I asked yesterday at the Kawi booth at the Long Beach bike show and the guy suggested we write to Corporate and tell them we want the ZX-25R here in the US. They don't think there's a market.
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I asked yesterday at the Kawi booth at the Long Beach bike show and the guy suggested we write to Corporate and tell them we want the ZX-25R here in the US. They don't think there's a market.
If not here in the good ole USA, where would Kawasaki sell it?
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Areas where little bikes are more popular, I'd guess. Mexico likes 125s and 250s, and so do Phillipines, China, Thailand maybe. Places where the extra power and speed of big bikes isn't useful. We have big open highways here, which favors bigger bikes.
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I don't think there's a market in the USA of any reasonable size. Target markets are places with tiered licensing and displacement taxes. And racers who are displacement limited.
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I don't think there's a market in the USA of any reasonable size. Target markets are places with tiered licensing and displacement taxes. And racers who are displacement limited.
I would think more affluent areas of Europe with tiered licensing would be the target market.

Many of the other large motorcycle markets rely on cycles as basic transportation only, and purchase simple inexpensive cycles for transportation because cars are too expensive.

Not sure about the U.S. It would depend on the price I think. If it was just a bit more than your normal 250/300/400 it might fly, but if it started to get close to 600 SS territory I don't think they would sell.

It's not bad, but the frame looks low-end to me. I'm sure it's adequate, but it doesn't have the same race-inspired/mini Super Sport replica look of the 250/4s from back in the day.

It would be a hoot for sure. A 400/4 might be even better...
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I would think more affluent areas of Europe with tiered licensing would be the target market.

Many of the other large motorcycle markets rely on cycles as basic transportation only, and purchase simple inexpensive cycles for transportation because cars are too expensive.

Not sure about the U.S. It would depend on the price I think. If it was just a bit more than your normal 250/300/400 it might fly, but if it started to get close to 600 SS territory I don't think they would sell.

It's not bad, but the frame looks low-end to me. I'm sure it's adequate, but it doesn't have the same race-inspired/mini Super Sport replica look of the 250/4s from back in the day.

It would be a hoot for sure. A 400/4 might be even better...
If the 250 would come to the USA, I would buy one for sure! It would be a blast to ride on the track. I agree a 400/4 would be a total blast!!! That would really be close to the price of a 600 SS. I donít see that happening. How about a sporty 500 twin, with about 70hp (not the CBR 500)! That would probably put more nails in the 600 SS coffin!
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If the 250 would come to the USA, I would buy one for sure! It would be a blast to ride on the track. I agree a 400/4 would be a total blast!!! That would really be close to the price of a 600 SS. I donít see that happening. How about a sporty 500 twin, with about 70hp (not the CBR 500)! That would probably put more nails in the 600 SS coffin!
If money is no object, there's this coming soon to an Aprilia dealer near you -

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If money is an object, there's always the SV650.
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If money is no object, there's this coming soon to an Aprilia dealer near you -

2020 APRILIA RS 660

https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/201...10-fast-facts/

If money is an object, there's always the SV650.
That looks sexy as hell, I am sure thatís gonna be over 10/k. Not in my budget anytime soon. Unless I sell both my 600 and 750......hmmnnnnnn.
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I've been excited about RS660 since prototype came out at show in 2018. Claims back then was it's going to be ~300lbs! Sad to see it's gained +73 lbs since then! Wet-weight around 420lbs makes it not so exciting any more. I've been saving up for it since then, now what am I gonna get???
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I've been excited about RS660 since prototype came out at show in 2018. Claims back then was it's going to be ~300lbs! Sad to see it's gained +73 lbs since then! Wet-weight around 420lbs makes it not so exciting any more. I've been saving up for it since then, now what am I gonna get???
Around 100hp and a porky 420lbs wet? Those are not good numbers. 600 SS are a few pounds less and more HP. The RS660 looks sexy as hell but maybe under powered, overweight and over priced! We shall see.
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ZX6R is 430lbs wet, but 130hp. RS660 is living in the past. There's always more than numbers but it seems disproportionate to the price
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If the zx25r has the same power per liter as the 636, we're looking at 51.5hp. That's a little less exciting that the rumored 60
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If the zx25r has the same power per liter as the 636, we're looking at 51.5hp. That's a little less exciting that the rumored 60
50-ish is more realistic that 60-ish.
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Around 100hp and a porky 420lbs wet? Those are not good numbers. 600 SS are a few pounds less and more HP. The RS660 looks sexy as hell but maybe under powered, overweight and over priced! We shall see.
Every so often I see numbers like this and have to remind myself what a marvel my HP is with 215 horsepower at 377-lbs wet
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FWIW: I ran by my local dealer today (I was in the area) and we spoke about the 25R. He said he's had requests like this before and the way to get Kawasaki to send at least a few to the US is if there are a number of customers willing to put a deposit on one if word comes they'll be shipped in. If anyone wants to put their name on that list, let me know.
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FWIW: I ran by my local dealer today (I was in the area) and we spoke about the 25R. He said he's had requests like this before and the way to get Kawasaki to send at least a few to the US is if there are a number of customers willing to put a deposit on one if word comes they'll be shipped in. If anyone wants to put their name on that list, let me know.
Count me in! Where do I send my cheque?
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Count me in! Where do I send my cheque?
PM me or call https://www.lakecitypowersports.com/ (206) 364-1372 and tell them Yakaru (Yah-Kah-Rew) told you to ask for Tim in sales, tell him you want on the ZX25R list.
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Nice, I'm glad a dealer is stepping up to help. Any word on weight or power or other specs?
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I’m trying to get firm figure on dry and wet weight. When it shows up at Indonesian dealers, I’m have our contact there check it out.

I wonder how they do two different power outputs? I suppose electronic solution would be easiest. Milder ignition-map on 45ps model? With DBW, you can just program it to not open throttle all the way!

Smaller engines typically have higher specific-output than larger ones. It’s based on ratio of valve-curtain area to cylinder volume. As you scale up in size, cylinder volume increases by cube-power (^3), however valve-curtain area only increase by square-power (^2). So larger and larger cylinders are choked more and more due to limited flow through valves.

That’s also how little engines can rev to 19-20K, they can actually flow that much air with same cam-specs. Bigger engines lose VE in high-end and shows dropping torque and power curve.

Compare late-‘80s to early-‘90s 250 inline-4s versus their bigger countreparts. They were getting around 45-bhp. That would be 180-bhp for litre-bike. No litre-bike would get 180-bhp for another 20-years. ZX10R finally got there in 2008. With modern advances in EFI , materials tech and oil, I don’t doubt it can get 60-bhp.

Weight is still concern...
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Well, it's a no-show at the Thai motor expo. Guess we will just have to wait a bit longer.
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Local Thai dealer says 7 months before they are available here, expecting them in June. They didn't have any new details. One guy in the showroom was excited I asked, all the other employees had no idea it existed.
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From what I've seen, sourcing parts is easier than bikes; and I'm sure that if it's via the dealer that they'll be willing to assist on that front too.
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Yeah, dealers just send in part-numbers and various warehouses ship it. They don’t care what model bike it goes on....

... hmmmm .....

Maybe we can order pile of parts and build our own ZX-R25 !!! Like model kit!!
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Yeah, dealers just send in part-numbers and various warehouses ship it. They donít care what model bike it goes on....

... hmmmm .....

Maybe we can order pile of parts and build our own ZX-R25 !!! Like model kit!!
That parts bill has me scared just thinking about it. You'd be better off building a killer RS250 or RGV I'd think haha
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Some more news.... just what redline is...
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Bad news, Indian sources are saying 190kg. If that's true, I'm out. Much to heavy for what it is.
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Yeesh, the 2020 S1000 is 193.5; wonder why it'd be so heavy
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Bad news, Indian sources are saying 190kg. If that's true, I'm out. Much to heavy for what it is.
Wow, that's 45kg heavier than my race 250. Much, much too much weight for just double power. Wonder why it's so much heavier than '90s version? Alloy frame's not that significantly heavier. ABS is only 4kg or so extra. Doesn't have dual-discs in front... hmm...
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Wow, that's 45kg heavier than my race 250. Much, much too much weight for just double power. Wonder why it's so much heavier than '90s version? Alloy frame's not that significantly heavier. ABS is only 4kg or so extra. Doesn't have dual-discs in front... hmm...
You mean an alloy frame (like back in the day) is not significantly lighter than the current steel one?

I'd sure like for it to have an alloy frame like a current 600 SS, not a tubular steel one like the other small Ninjas.
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It's got a big bike swing arm, it's got full-size front forks. Steel frame. Water cooled inline 4. I don't think it's a large-budget machine, the idea is a small displacement bike so people can save money on registration and displacement taxes. None of that saves weight. Comes in about 20lbs lighter than a ZX6R, makes sense honestly.

Redline is 17k, lower than the old generation. Unless they have 2 very different versions, aka small street and lightweight race bike with a different physical state of tune, I don't see this thing being all that interesting.
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You mean an alloy frame (like back in the day) is not significantly lighter than the current steel one?

I'd sure like for it to have an alloy frame like a current 600 SS, not a tubular steel one like the other small Ninjas.
Yeah, my anger at massive weight-gains flubbered my words! Steel & aluminium have similar strength-to-weight ratios, so when design is optimized for both materials, weight ends up very similar.

I'm just wondering why they couldn't just take 400 config and stuff 250 4-banger in. Engine alone can't possibly weigh +40lbs more.
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Yeah, my anger at massive weight-gains flubbered my words! Steel & aluminium have similar strength-to-weight ratios, so when design is optimized for both materials, weight ends up very similar.

I'm just wondering why they couldn't just take 400 config and stuff 250 4-banger in. Engine alone can't possibly weigh +40lbs more.
This is why many aircraft manufacturers are building more of the aircraft structure with composites.
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Yeah huh? Carbon-fibre has significantly more strength-to-weight and better fatigue-resistance than either steel or alloy. Something tennis-racquet, golf-club, fishing-rods and bicycle makers have caught on decades ago.

An under-utilised material is titanium. At least in U.S. it's very costly due to being monopolised by military. It's so abundant and cheap in Russia, you can walk into any hardware-store and buy titanium garden shovels that'll never rust or break!!! Seems only moto outfit using ti to any great benefit is NCR.
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