Kickstand after it's been cut off?

bitaria · August 16th, 2013, 07:36 AM

One of many dumb question threads...

Rule book says cut off the kickstand bracket - it's welded to the frame. Anyone have figured out an alternative way to mount a kickstand solution so the bike will be a) streetable if needed, b) re-sellable if needed as a street bike. Obviously at the track it's all about race stands, so no need for it.

I have a welder so in theory I could weld it back on later, but would be nice to have a more flexible solution.

csmith12 · August 16th, 2013, 07:49 AM

Interested also...

I cut mine off in a way that it can be welded back on. The trick I think is to cut it off cleanly and straight just above the bend in the tab. I thought about drilling & tapping some holes to just be able to bolt it on but figured that was more work that needed, since it would require a flange to be welded to the cut off part anyway.

bitaria · August 16th, 2013, 07:58 AM

Indeed I was also thinking about fabing a flange or a mounting plate of some sort... I wish there was a way to mount enduro style kickstand, but there isn't much down there on a Ninja to clamp to.

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Originally Posted by csmith12

Interested also...

I cut mine off in a way that it can be welded back on. The trick I think is to cut it off cleanly and straight just above the bend in the tab. I thought about drilling & tapping some holes to just be able to bolt it on but figured that was more work that needed, since it would require a flange to be welded to the cut off part anyway.

Foxrider64 · August 16th, 2013, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitaria

Rule book says cut off the kickstand bracket -

What organization are you racing with?

alex.s · August 16th, 2013, 02:18 PM

i use a dirtbike triangle kickstand that fits into the hold created by a crash in my woodcraft rearsets on my 250 race bike. i commute on that bike like that about 2500 miles a month.

bitaria · August 16th, 2013, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrider64

What organization are you racing with?

WMRRA

bitaria · August 16th, 2013, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

i use a dirtbike triangle kickstand that fits into the hold created by a crash in my woodcraft rearsets on my 250 race bike. i commute on that bike like that about 2500 miles a month.

I was thinking removing the round frame plug and using removable stand would work too. Still, something mounted to the bike that works more or less like stock kickstand would be infinitely better.

bitaria · August 17th, 2013, 08:38 AM

OK so where are options I came up with:
1) Swing arm mount like the setup used in dirt bikes. ~$85, still would have to figure out what clamp size / kickstand length works best.
2) Dirt bike bolt on kickstand designed to use foot peg mounting point. Would likely require a custom mounting bracket.
3) U shaped clamp on, (or weld on) to the flat section of the frame above rearset. Base parts from #1 or #2 with custom clamp or mounting point.

Frame mount options are better since they do not add unsprung weight, but I think would be more work. Obviously anything where welding is involved is a lot more work.

JohnnyBravo · August 18th, 2013, 11:05 AM

I don't think of welding as work... It's fun, till ya get a job doing it, but "jobs" are the downfall of humanity

bitaria · August 18th, 2013, 10:19 PM

I don't mind welding, it's the prep and then painting everything.

RedPepper64 · September 10th, 2013, 12:10 PM

Possible to get pics of your kickstand mount solutions? @csmith12, @alex.s, @bitaria.

I scraped kickstand mount going around a downhill corner at The Ridge in August. Thought it was only the footpeg until I watched the video and realized that the push back was too great for just the peg. I would like to avoid repeating the same thing but also having the bike available for off-track rides as well. Thanks!

Quote:

Originally Posted by csmith12

Interested also...

I cut mine off in a way that it can be welded back on. The trick I think is to cut it off cleanly and straight just above the bend in the tab. I thought about drilling & tapping some holes to just be able to bolt it on but figured that was more work that needed, since it would require a flange to be welded to the cut off part anyway.

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

i use a dirtbike triangle kickstand that fits into the hold created by a crash in my woodcraft rearsets on my 250 race bike. i commute on that bike like that about 2500 miles a month.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitaria

OK so where are options I came up with:
1) Swing arm mount like the setup used in dirt bikes. ~$85, still would have to figure out what clamp size / kickstand length works best.
2) Dirt bike bolt on kickstand designed to use foot peg mounting point. Would likely require a custom mounting bracket.
3) U shaped clamp on, (or weld on) to the flat section of the frame above rearset. Base parts from #1 or #2 with custom clamp or mounting point.

Frame mount options are better since they do not add unsprung weight, but I think would be more work. Obviously anything where welding is involved is a lot more work.

csmith12 · September 10th, 2013, 12:36 PM

I can take a pic of my cut but I haven't welded a side stand mount solution that will work for off track applications yet.

If I figure something creative out I will post up for sure.

RedPepper64 · September 10th, 2013, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csmith12

I can take a pic of my cut but I haven't welded a side stand mount solution that will work for off track applications yet.

If I figure something creative out I will post up for sure.

A picture of the cut would be a help at the moment. Three weeks to track day and I'm leery of catching it again.

csmith12 · September 10th, 2013, 01:03 PM

Cut straight as possible to make the weld easy.

alex.s · September 15th, 2013, 10:27 AM

it sits on the kickstand like this... it works really well for dirt.

sometimes it doesn't like physics though.

most of the time i leave the kickstand on the tail and simply lean the bike on something

August 16th, 2013, 02:18 PM	#5
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	i use a dirtbike triangle kickstand that fits into the hold created by a crash in my woodcraft rearsets on my 250 race bike. i commute on that bike like that about 2500 miles a month. __________________________________________________

August 18th, 2013, 11:05 AM	#9
JohnnyBravo Certifiable nontundrum Name: Harper Location: NC Milkshake stand Join Date: Mar 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2013 SE NINJA 300 Posts: Too much. MOTM - Sep '13, Sep '16	I don't think of welding as work... It's fun, till ya get a job doing it, but "jobs" are the downfall of humanity __________________________________________________

September 10th, 2013, 12:36 PM	#12
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	I can take a pic of my cut but I haven't welded a side stand mount solution that will work for off track applications yet. If I figure something creative out I will post up for sure. __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

September 10th, 2013, 01:03 PM	#14
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	Cut straight as possible to make the weld easy. __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

September 15th, 2013, 10:27 AM	#15
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	it sits on the kickstand like this... it works really well for dirt. sometimes it doesn't like physics though. most of the time i leave the kickstand on the tail and simply lean the bike on something __________________________________________________

August 16th, 2013, 07:36 AM	#1
bitaria ninjette.org member Name: Oleg Location: Seattle WA Join Date: Aug 2013 Motorcycle(s): CRF450X, CRF250R/SM, Husky 630 SMS, Ninja 250R Posts: 144	Kickstand after it's been cut off? One of many dumb question threads... Rule book says cut off the kickstand bracket - it's welded to the frame. Anyone have figured out an alternative way to mount a kickstand solution so the bike will be a) streetable if needed, b) re-sellable if needed as a street bike. Obviously at the track it's all about race stands, so no need for it. I have a welder so in theory I could weld it back on later, but would be nice to have a more flexible solution.

August 16th, 2013, 07:49 AM	#2
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	Interested also... I cut mine off in a way that it can be welded back on. The trick I think is to cut it off cleanly and straight just above the bend in the tab. I thought about drilling & tapping some holes to just be able to bolt it on but figured that was more work that needed, since it would require a flange to be welded to the cut off part anyway. __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

August 17th, 2013, 08:38 AM	#8
bitaria ninjette.org member Name: Oleg Location: Seattle WA Join Date: Aug 2013 Motorcycle(s): CRF450X, CRF250R/SM, Husky 630 SMS, Ninja 250R Posts: 144	OK so where are options I came up with: 1) Swing arm mount like the setup used in dirt bikes. ~$85, still would have to figure out what clamp size / kickstand length works best. 2) Dirt bike bolt on kickstand designed to use foot peg mounting point. Would likely require a custom mounting bracket. 3) U shaped clamp on, (or weld on) to the flat section of the frame above rearset. Base parts from #1 or #2 with custom clamp or mounting point. Frame mount options are better since they do not add unsprung weight, but I think would be more work. Obviously anything where welding is involved is a lot more work.

August 18th, 2013, 10:19 PM	#10
bitaria ninjette.org member Name: Oleg Location: Seattle WA Join Date: Aug 2013 Motorcycle(s): CRF450X, CRF250R/SM, Husky 630 SMS, Ninja 250R Posts: 144	I don't mind welding, it's the prep and then painting everything.

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