June 20th, 2015, 06:51 AM | #1 |
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[NSFW] Rider Almost Rear Ended At Lights (F****** D*** H***)
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June 20th, 2015, 09:17 AM | #2 |
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Range rover anticipated bike stopping and moved over but still had to make a quick swerved to avoided the bike. I think he buzzed him closer then necessary to intimidate the rider. Rider learned the right lesson, do not push yellows.
The rider also had it right that sorry is not good enough. I hope I can keep as calm.
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June 20th, 2015, 10:23 AM | #3 |
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We all make mistakes driving. I don't understand why some riders get so mad at cars. Sure they made a mistake but the thing is the car driver had a good reaction that prevented the crash.
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June 20th, 2015, 10:39 AM | #4 |
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He kept on saying "us"? "Could've ran us over"? I thought he was carrying a passenger for a second,but saw the shadow on the ground. Did I hear him wrong?
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June 20th, 2015, 10:46 AM | #5 |
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ha ha - nope. You heard right. That's part of the Geordie way of speaking. "Us" = "me". Scottish people often say "us" like that too.
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June 20th, 2015, 11:26 AM | #6 |
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i mean... that was the motorcyclists fault... obvious the rover was tailgating. and then the bike decides to slam on it. and then runs a reddie after!
"its not good enough" -> RIDERS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
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June 20th, 2015, 12:22 PM | #7 | |
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I think it's pretty unambiguously the cager's fault though. You're always responsible for not driving into the vehicle that's travelling in front of you. This is partly biologically determined. We have eyes in front, but not behind. We can only be looking in one direction at a time (front or back). Most of our focus is and should be in front. The law in the UK reflects this principle. The driver of the cage even accepted and acknowledged his fault (though... he could have been fearing for his safety, so maybe he just said what he thought the rider wanted to hear). I know the distinction might seem meaningless (who cares who's at fault... the rider looses either way), but I think it's still important for things like solving legal disputes and mentally processing the moral implications: If the cager killed the rider, then the cager needs to know and understand that it's entirely his fault and he should not ever drive like that again. The lesson learned by the cager will likely also be learned by people in his family and community. Empathetic people will adjust their behaviour (for the better) based on things like this. Likewise, in some scenarios, it's very important for people to know when they're not at fault. Example: I'm driving a car and I indicate to turn off the road I'm travelling on. I check it's clear to turn across the oncoming lane and then proceed. Between the time I check it's clear and the time I begin my turn, a biker appears going three times the speed limit and smashes into the side of my car. The biker dies. In this scenario, it would not be my fault. I should not feel guilt. I do not owe the biker's family any restitution. In a reasonable legal system, I would not be convicted of any crime. TL;DR rider needs to improve his skillz in order to survive on the road. Cager is a fault (in a moral sense). Morality is important!
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June 20th, 2015, 02:56 PM | #8 |
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but my point is... the rover DIDNT hit him, even though the biker slammed on his brakes after showing signs that he wasn't going to. that rover was at fault for tailgating sure... wanting to get through the light with the bike... the biker could have known this if he was paying attention and if he was, he wouldn't have slammed on his brakes for seemingly no reason. the biker looked like he was going to go through the yellow, then changed his mind last minute for basically no reason, and the rover couldn't stop in time so he avoided it. had the rover hit him, definitely in the eyes of insurance it would have been the rovers fault. in reality, the biker could have seen a danger and could have avoided the danger... but didn't avoid it. in fact, the biker CAUSED the danger by acting as if he was going to go through, then last minute deciding differently. not only that, but afterward, the biker got butthurt, and did a whole bunch of illegal **** including passing where he shouldn't, intentionally slowing for no reason to back someone up, road rage, and then running a red light.
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June 20th, 2015, 04:34 PM | #10 |
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I am with alex.s in this one.
Anticipation, which is part of a good riding strategy, is the key here. Intersections are the most dangerous places for riders and landing on one without a previous research and a plan is close to suicide. First thing I do while approaching a light, riding or driving, is assessing the situation behind me via my mirrors. If the green has been on long enough, I start dragging my brake and slowing down as gradually as possible, again checking whether or not the driver following me "gets it". If he/she does get that I am slowing down foreseeing a yellow light, and slows down as well; then I focus on the timing of the light and the left turners and red runners and move onto the left of my lane just in case he/she decides running it going around me. If he/she does not get it, that car becomes my biggest threat and I either change lanes or run the yellow light with the educated guess that the left turner will not jump in front of the car tailgating me. The rider should have invested 10% of the energy he passionately wasted after the mishap in anticipation. "Success does not consist in never making mistakes but in never making the same one a second time." - George Bernard Shaw Perhaps this rider will eventually learn that, for survival purposes, post-tantrums don't work as well as riding strategy and skills and protective gear. Good video and discussion, Akima !!!
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June 21st, 2015, 11:39 AM | #11 |
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Idiots. BOTH of them. He wasn't making things better by confronting the apologetic driver but he was doing a lot of unnecessary things that could end badly.
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June 21st, 2015, 01:12 PM | #12 |
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I only watched a little bit of it but I don't see what the Range Rover did that he was screaming about?
He slammed on his brakes for a yellow, the guy obviously thought there was no way he could have stopped so he went around him through the light and didn't hit him. Then the guy on the bike thinks it's a good idea to chase him down and start some **** lol? That's how you get killed on a bike, if you can't let crap like that go you shouldn't be riding. |
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June 21st, 2015, 07:35 PM | #15 |
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Same here. If someone is tailgating me, I'll run the red. Even if I know I'll be runing it after it turns red for 2 or 3 seconds, I'll still run it. Sometimes they follow me, other times they stop.
But I rather get a red light ticket than to stay in a hospital. Hopefully I'll get lucky and get an officer that rides....maybe he'll understand.
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June 23rd, 2015, 07:06 AM | #16 |
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I always run yellow lights in traffic. I think it is more ike that. no matter what im driving or riding, I always try to have the least amount of erratic behavior. I never nail the brakes to make a turn im about to miss. I would hate for the person behind me to not be mindful me be the one paying for their mistake. I think its funny the rider is crying about the suit running a yellow, and he ends up guilty of the same thing within minutes
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Always pay attention to the lights and slow if it has been green for a while before you come to the light, watch in the distance. Most know people run orange(yellow/red) lights. Either commit to running it or slow before getting to it. If the person behind him would have ran into him then it would be their fault for tailgating. Luckily the car was paying attention and adverted running his arse over. I hate people who slam their brakes cause they can't decide if they want to run the light or stop. It's as annoying as a person turning and then putting their turn signal on after.
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If you can stop easaly for a yellow then stop. If you need to brake hard then you are speeding and asking to be rear ended. Or you are being indecisive and asking to be rear ended. Or you will be running reds which is better then being rear ended but does open you up to being T-boned. We need to dump all traffic light and change to roundabouts. JMHO
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Do you now approach every light as if that will happen?
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It was the only time it happened to me. And I always went through that light when commuting to college. No, I usually either have enough time to stop or run the orange light, I'm committed by then. The guy had a cracked front bumper and barely did anything to my car, cavilers are tough lil things.
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