WHY stock pipes?!

Finesse · July 12th, 2015, 09:14 PM

why do people leave stock pipes on their bike??????!?!!!!?!!??!

I'm looking at you @Sirref

no but really... seriously... put a pipe on that ****, wtf?

verboten1 · July 12th, 2015, 09:17 PM

Because the Akrapovic is $900 for my bike...and the arrow is $400

But the carbon fiber Yoshimura sounded amazing on my ninja!

cadd · July 12th, 2015, 09:20 PM

Nostalgia. Sometimes when I ride my bike, I want to be reminded of the good ol days when I worked at sweat shops using a sewing machine 14hrs a day.

NevadaWolf · July 12th, 2015, 09:21 PM

Maybe cause slip ons make it sound like someone is beating a cat in a burlap sack? Why take perfectly good motorcycles and make them sound like trash. Bleh, no thank you.

Course, I prefer the 300 pipe to the 250 pipe, but only for looks. Didn't change the sound one bit.

cbinker · July 12th, 2015, 09:22 PM

because i spent all my money on the bike and now cannot afford a pipe.

Sirref · July 12th, 2015, 09:35 PM

because if I get one I want power gains which means I need a power commander too

works out to be the same cost as 4-5 track days...

If I get one it will be entirely your fault that I am happy with the way my bike sounds

Finesse · July 12th, 2015, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NevadaWolf

Maybe cause slip ons make it sound like someone is beating a cat in a burlap sack? Why take perfectly good motorcycles and make them sound like trash. Bleh, no thank you.

Course, I prefer the 300 pipe to the 250 pipe, but only for looks. Didn't change the sound one bit.

you usually have a pretty reasonable opinion on things but not this time!

I love the sound of an angry loud kawasaki twin growl! grrrrrrrrr!

capt_bugaloo · July 12th, 2015, 09:45 PM

Because I don't want to piss off my neighbours when I ride to work at 7am?

Finesse · July 12th, 2015, 09:48 PM

there is no better way to wake up than to a sound of a motorcycle <3

Sirref · July 12th, 2015, 10:26 PM

while that's true, it tends to be much better for the person actually riding it than the people trying to sleep

NevadaWolf · July 12th, 2015, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finesse

you usually have a pretty reasonable opinion on things but not this time!

I love the sound of an angry loud kawasaki twin growl! grrrrrrrrr!

So instead of just an angry weedwhacker, you now have an amplified angry weedwhacker?

Sirref · July 12th, 2015, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NevadaWolf

So instead of just an angry weedwhacker, you now have an amplified angry weedwhacker?

it actually changes the characteristic of the sound completely, it doesn't sound like a lawnmower anymore with some good pipes it'll sound like a beast

especially the 650, the difference is shocking though I haven't heard the arrow exhaust yet I've heard a yoshimura pipe on there and stock and it was a big difference

NevadaWolf · July 12th, 2015, 10:41 PM

Oh OK so not a weedwhacker but a pissed hornet...

Naw, much prefer the stock. Can actually have a conversation with it running and don't suffer nose bleed ear torture when riding.

cuong-nutz · July 12th, 2015, 11:34 PM

I had to because mine fell/broke off from too many lowsides at the track. Lost the can somewhere in BFE.
Too broke for the 18" Area P.
I like the quietness of the stock heavy POS can.
I miss the performance of the race can.
Unfortunate mutual trade-off here.

corksil · July 13th, 2015, 12:02 AM

Maybe I have a problem with authority. Maybe the people who said "this is the appropriate size exhaust for this engine" don't share the same perspective as me.

This is from an engineering standpoint.

Ghostt · July 13th, 2015, 12:56 AM

The cost would cut into my vicodin and hookers budget

adouglas · July 13th, 2015, 03:50 AM

Because if you want to actually improve the riding experience there are better ways to spend money (e.g. suspension, better tires, better brakes, track time, instruction).

Because there are times when loud and obnoxious is not to your advantage. Did a track day yesterday and got word that it is likely there will be noise restrictions at Palmer in the near future. Bikes with loud pipes will not be permitted, period.

Because loud pipes don't save lives. They make people want to shoot you.

chemist · July 13th, 2015, 05:41 AM

I know that I will eventually sell my bike so I am trying to keep at as stock as possible.

Geezer-60 · July 13th, 2015, 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chemist

I know that I will eventually sell my bike so I am trying to keep at as stock as possible.

Same here.

subxero · July 13th, 2015, 07:04 AM

Pipes be expensive

but that being said I do have full aftermarket and I do like the sound

Braaap!!

Proteus · July 13th, 2015, 07:10 AM

Because I can't pick one and even if I could don't have the $$$

kdogg2077 · July 13th, 2015, 07:18 AM

Cause I don't think $600 for a cooler sound is worth it. And the power gains are near zilch. And really, even a stock motorcycle is freaking LOUD, do you need louder?

Now if I could get an affordable exhaust that gave the bike a cooler deeper sound without making it louder then I'm on board.

Such a thing doesn't exist for my FZ-07 or the 250, alas.

sharky nrk · July 13th, 2015, 07:19 AM

$$$ and the fact that not all exhaust manf. do what Area P did for this bike and offer a "quiet core" option that doesn't drop off the performance gain. I have gotten a bit to the point where I don't want a killer loud exhaust, just too noisy. And if I don't gain some performance - definitely not going on the bike.

Modern exhausts on more vehicles are actually pretty decent these days, back in the late 90s and early 00s you could put a slip on a bike and pick up 5 or 6 whp and drop 10 lbs. Now its like 1 or 2 whp and 4 lbs. And they cost $600.

If companies would make a quieter (less than 100 dB at chat) full exhaust for less than $1K that actually dropped weight and made power, they would be on all my bikes. Both my 250s have Area P full exhausts, the street bike has a quiet core 18 and the track bike a standard length. They are GREAT products.

subxero · July 13th, 2015, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kdogg2077

Cause I don't think $600 for a cooler sound is worth it. And the power gains are near zilch. And really, even a stock motorcycle is freaking LOUD, do you need louder?

Now if I could get an affordable exhaust that gave the bike a cooler deeper sound without making it louder then I'm on board.

Such a thing doesn't exist for my FZ-07 or the 250, alas.

20% on a n250 bro

Motofool · July 13th, 2015, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finesse

why do people leave stock pipes on their bike??????

I don't know about others, but I leave my bike stock because I believe that Kawasaki engineers know more than I do.

cbinker · July 13th, 2015, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Motofool

I don't know about others, but I leave my bike stock because I believe that Kawasaki engineers know more than I do.

I have said this before about other engines: The engineers know what they are doing, but the EPA does not.

Bob2010 · July 13th, 2015, 08:34 AM

I have a full yoshi on mine. My wife's bike is stock. But I added a yoshi slip-on for her.

i guess we just like the noise

Funny part is someone once pointed to her stock exhuast manifold and questioned if that was part of the bike frame lmao!

alex.s · July 13th, 2015, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finesse

why do people leave stock pipes on their bike??????!?!!!!?!!??!

I'm looking at you @Sirref

no but really... seriously... put a pipe on that ****, wtf?

loud pipes attract cops

Bob2010 · July 13th, 2015, 08:55 AM

Never once got yanked for my bike being loud. It's kinda expected around here

jkv45 · July 13th, 2015, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob2010

Never once got yanked for my bike being loud. It's kinda expected around here

Pretty common around here, with all the Harleys with straight pipes, so chances are you won't get a ticket for the noise.

It's more the fact that you are announcing your arrival at speed.

tfkrocks · July 13th, 2015, 10:04 AM

Money. Huge cost for a little vanity, especially if it's a slip on. I regret ever buying a slip on. Also I actually really hate loud noises. Go figure right? I only justified my last purchase cuz I crashed and destroyed the slip on. Got the Area P quiet core system used and the PCV for a good deal so it satisfied the cost and noise issue enough for me. Overall not a high priority for me though. I don't care that much about my bike sounding "cool."

accumack · July 13th, 2015, 10:25 AM

Because I don't want to advertise I'm on the throttle to cops. Out here they listen for bikes coming and can tell when they get off the gas. I like being stealth I did the whole Harley thing.

Bob2010 · July 13th, 2015, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by accumack

Because I don't want to advertise I'm on the throttle to cops. Out here they listen for bikes coming and can tell when they get off the gas. I like being stealth I did the whole Harley thing.

Except for us, after 4 or 5 roaring shifts, we only made it to 50mph lmao!

ForceofWill · July 13th, 2015, 11:43 AM

My bike with a Area P 18" race system is quieter than most stock 1000cc bikes but it sounds awesome and makes great power.

Some bikes have the cats as part of the muffler so you do gain HP, including the bike I'm waiting for the title for.

kdogg2077 · July 13th, 2015, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by subxero

20% on a n250 bro

You wish.

sharky nrk · July 13th, 2015, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kdogg2077

You wish.

Bigballsofpaint · July 13th, 2015, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kdogg2077

You wish.

Mine got 18% with it, so a stones throw form 20 i guess...

Finesse · July 13th, 2015, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NevadaWolf

Can actually have a conversation with it running

I try not to have conversations with anyone ..

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

loud pipes attract cops

women like a man in uniform.

fishdip · July 13th, 2015, 05:00 PM

1. It is illegal in most areas to remove said pipe.
2. Your neighbors don't think you sound cool and in fact find it annoying most of the time
3. Its not going to save your life. You be better of using the money on a good riding class.

Hercules Zanzibar!!! · July 13th, 2015, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finesse

women like a man in uniform.

So that's my problem. I need a uniform.

July 12th, 2015, 09:14 PM	#1
Finesse ran when parked Name: Katie Location: DC/MD Join Date: Aug 2013 Motorcycle(s): Freeride 250R, KLX250SF, mopeds Posts: A lot. MOTM - Sep '17, Dec '14	WHY stock pipes?! why do people leave stock pipes on their bike??????!?!!!!?!!??! I'm looking at you @Sirref no but really... seriously... put a pipe on that ****, wtf? __________________________________________________ Instagram: @katie.baden

July 12th, 2015, 09:17 PM	#2
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July 12th, 2015, 09:21 PM	#4
NevadaWolf Certified looney toon Name: Teri Location: 39°52'40.7"N 118°23'53.8"W (Northern NV) Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250, 102k+ miles -- 2014 CB500X, 42k+ miles Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 16 MOTM Jul '13, Jul '14	Maybe cause slip ons make it sound like someone is beating a cat in a burlap sack? Why take perfectly good motorcycles and make them sound like trash. Bleh, no thank you. Course, I prefer the 300 pipe to the 250 pipe, but only for looks. Didn't change the sound one bit. __________________________________________________ <-- Linky Hey Unregistered! The code [you] shows the username currently logged in. IBA # 56020 AMA # 521481 Fun Rides! ][ My Videos ][ My Gear Hold yourself to the same rules you expect others to follow.
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cbinker Track Clown Name: Chris Location: Kingman, AZ Join Date: May 2012 Motorcycle(s): '08 250R, 21 MV F3 800, Kawasaki 400 build Posts: A lot. MOTM - Sep '15	because i spent all my money on the bike and now cannot afford a pipe. __________________________________________________ TEAM ALFALFA www.apexassassins.com
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July 12th, 2015, 09:35 PM	#6
Sirref Private Joker Name: Ben Location: Towson, MD Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): '99/'01 Ninja 250 "sketchy", '13 Ninja 300 "yoshi", '03 GSXR 600 "merlin" Posts: A lot. MOTM - Mar '14	because if I get one I want power gains which means I need a power commander too works out to be the same cost as 4-5 track days... If I get one it will be entirely your fault that I am happy with the way my bike sounds __________________________________________________ I see you over there seeing me, do you see the me I think you see?
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capt_bugaloo motorcycle rider Name: Bruce Location: Victoria, BC Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): '14 Yamaha V-Star 650 Custom (silver) Posts: A lot.	Because I don't want to piss off my neighbours when I ride to work at 7am? __________________________________________________ '14 Yamaha V-Star 650 Custom (silver)
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Finesse ran when parked Name: Katie Location: DC/MD Join Date: Aug 2013 Motorcycle(s): Freeride 250R, KLX250SF, mopeds Posts: A lot. MOTM - Sep '17, Dec '14	there is no better way to wake up than to a sound of a motorcycle <3 __________________________________________________ Instagram: @katie.baden
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Sirref Private Joker Name: Ben Location: Towson, MD Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): '99/'01 Ninja 250 "sketchy", '13 Ninja 300 "yoshi", '03 GSXR 600 "merlin" Posts: A lot. MOTM - Mar '14	while that's true, it tends to be much better for the person actually riding it than the people trying to sleep __________________________________________________ I see you over there seeing me, do you see the me I think you see?
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July 12th, 2015, 11:34 PM	#14
cuong-nutz RIP Alex Name: Cuong Location: Houston, TX Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): '10 250r, '09 265r Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 2	I had to because mine fell/broke off from too many lowsides at the track. Lost the can somewhere in BFE. Too broke for the 18" Area P. I like the quietness of the stock heavy POS can. I miss the performance of the race can. Unfortunate mutual trade-off here. __________________________________________________ HalfFast Racing Team Serving Greater Houston Area Riders:WFO Riders MotoHouston HPC CMRA Ride Smart Fastline Lone Star Track Days

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corksil ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: TC Location: Hawaii Join Date: Sep 2013 Motorcycle(s): A lot. Posts: A lot.	Maybe I have a problem with authority. Maybe the people who said "this is the appropriate size exhaust for this engine" don't share the same perspective as me. This is from an engineering standpoint. __________________________________________________ Just batshit crazy. All his posts are endless diatribes. Some are actually entertaining but mostly batshit crazy.

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kdogg2077 ninjette.org sage Name: Alex Location: Ebensburg, PA Join Date: Sep 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2015 Yamaha FZ07, Ninja 250r 2012 Limited Edition (Sold) Posts: 529	Cause I don't think $600 for a cooler sound is worth it. And the power gains are near zilch. And really, even a stock motorcycle is freaking LOUD, do you need louder? Now if I could get an affordable exhaust that gave the bike a cooler deeper sound without making it louder then I'm on board. Such a thing doesn't exist for my FZ-07 or the 250, alas. __________________________________________________ "Take it easy driving. The life you might save might be mine."

July 13th, 2015, 07:19 AM	#23
sharky nrk Fighting Texas Aggie '05 Name: Neil Location: Hutto, TX Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): '07 ZX6R, '08 Versys, '09 250R Track, '93 F2/F3 Track Posts: A lot.	$$$ and the fact that not all exhaust manf. do what Area P did for this bike and offer a "quiet core" option that doesn't drop off the performance gain. I have gotten a bit to the point where I don't want a killer loud exhaust, just too noisy. And if I don't gain some performance - definitely not going on the bike. Modern exhausts on more vehicles are actually pretty decent these days, back in the late 90s and early 00s you could put a slip on a bike and pick up 5 or 6 whp and drop 10 lbs. Now its like 1 or 2 whp and 4 lbs. And they cost $600. If companies would make a quieter (less than 100 dB at chat) full exhaust for less than $1K that actually dropped weight and made power, they would be on all my bikes. Both my 250s have Area P full exhausts, the street bike has a quiet core 18 and the track bike a standard length. They are GREAT products. __________________________________________________ Keep it rubber side down and enjoy the ride Get healthy - Get Fit - Change Your Life Click Here Or PM Me To Find More - Advocare
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July 13th, 2015, 08:34 AM	#27
Bob2010 ninjette.org sage Name: Bob Location: NY Join Date: Jul 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250 2009 Ninja 250 Posts: 730	I have a full yoshi on mine. My wife's bike is stock. But I added a yoshi slip-on for her. i guess we just like the noise Funny part is someone once pointed to her stock exhuast manifold and questioned if that was part of the bike frame lmao! __________________________________________________ 2010 Red Ninja 250 2009 Black Ninja 250 -If you ride like lightning,you're gonna crash like thunder-
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July 13th, 2015, 08:55 AM	#29
Bob2010 ninjette.org sage Name: Bob Location: NY Join Date: Jul 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250 2009 Ninja 250 Posts: 730	Never once got yanked for my bike being loud. It's kinda expected around here __________________________________________________ 2010 Red Ninja 250 2009 Black Ninja 250 -If you ride like lightning,you're gonna crash like thunder-

July 13th, 2015, 10:04 AM	#31
tfkrocks ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Rebecca Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja 300 w/ ABS, 2014 NC700X, 2008 Ninja 250 (sold), 2002 Ninja 250 (sold) Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jan '18, Sep '13	Money. Huge cost for a little vanity, especially if it's a slip on. I regret ever buying a slip on. Also I actually really hate loud noises. Go figure right? I only justified my last purchase cuz I crashed and destroyed the slip on. Got the Area P quiet core system used and the PCV for a good deal so it satisfied the cost and noise issue enough for me. Overall not a high priority for me though. I don't care that much about my bike sounding "cool." __________________________________________________ My Ninja 300

July 13th, 2015, 10:25 AM	#32
accumack ninjette.org member Name: jim Location: texas currently in Temecula Valley CA Join Date: May 2013 Motorcycle(s): honda crf230l & 2013 ninja 300se wife has Honda crf230l & honda cbr250r repsol Posts: 222	Because I don't want to advertise I'm on the throttle to cops. Out here they listen for bikes coming and can tell when they get off the gas. I like being stealth I did the whole Harley thing.

July 13th, 2015, 11:43 AM	#34
ForceofWill Blind 250 Loving Whore Name: Tom Location: Chesapeake, VA Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2008 250R, 02 FZ1, '20 Fat Bob 114 Posts: A lot.	My bike with a Area P 18" race system is quieter than most stock 1000cc bikes but it sounds awesome and makes great power. Some bikes have the cats as part of the muffler so you do gain HP, including the bike I'm waiting for the title for.

July 13th, 2015, 05:00 PM	#39
fishdip ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Fish Location: co Join Date: Apr 2013 Motorcycle(s): 250/300 Posts: A lot.	1. It is illegal in most areas to remove said pipe. 2. Your neighbors don't think you sound cool and in fact find it annoying most of the time 3. Its not going to save your life. You be better of using the money on a good riding class. __________________________________________________ Hey Unregistered never go faster than your brakes can be applied...

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