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Old June 28th, 2018, 09:55 AM   #41
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Splitting is more or less a "go" now, where before it was not illegal and people did it. CHP is now allowed to issue guidelines on it, and everybody acts as though it's legal.

It's helped some. I have had more drivers move over for me than before the "should we legalize it" discussion.
This isn't entirely accurate. CHP tried to issue guidelines, had to rescind them, and everything went right back as it was prior. The limited publicity during that effort may have opened some eyes, but IMO I haven't seen much difference in driver behavior either before or after.

Link to topic on CA DMV site.

I do like seeing the electronic roadsigns that show traffic advisories, and every once in awhile they are populated with "Watch for motorcycles!"
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Old June 28th, 2018, 10:50 AM   #42
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I think part of issue is code's very, very vague and subjective:

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CVC 21755. (a) The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle upon the right only under conditions permitting that movement in safety. In no event shall that movement be made by driving off the paved or main-traveled portion of the roadway.
How do you define "in safety"? Do you need 6" gap between vehicles? A 12" gap? Full meter on both sides?

And what about speed differential? DMV site says "Watch your speed". Do they literally want me staring at speedometer as I'm filtering past cars?

CHP's guidelines were equally vague and non-specific. This lead to lots of questions and objections from cagers, so they took it down. Well, they did mention 10mph speed-differential and not splitting when traffic is over 30mph.

It's not as easy to determine violation of "in safety" clause as easily as speeding (yes, you were 11.5mph over posted speed-limit) or carpool transgressions (sign clearly says 2-people and you only have 1 in your car, except for that pregnant lady).
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Old June 28th, 2018, 12:31 PM   #43
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I mean... I might be overthinking it a little bit, but I would define "safely" in such a way that "I didn't wreck when someone changed lanes" is safe, at a minimum.

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Old June 28th, 2018, 04:16 PM   #44
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CHP's guidelines were equally vague and non-specific. This lead to lots of questions and objections from cagers, so they took it down. Well, they did mention 10mph speed-differential and not splitting when traffic is over 30mph.
I didn't think that was the issue. The intent of the guidelines was to provide clarity, and they weren't half bad. The long-time owner of the Bay Area Riders Forum (BARF) was pretty involved with the process, and the end result was OK. It made it less likely that a CHP officer who had it out for bikes for some reason would ticket a rider for splitting lanes based on their own perception only, and would refer at least somewhat to those speed guidelines. It also wasn't many cagers who complained, cagers didn't care and wouldn't understand the guidelines/laws anyway. The complainer was a lawyer who objected to the law (any law) being implicitly created by the police. It wasn't an objection to the topic or the specifics of the guidelines.

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I mean... I might be overthinking it a little bit, but I would define "safely" in such a way that "I didn't wreck when someone changed lanes" is safe, at a minimum.
In hindsight, it's pretty straightforward to figure out something wasn't 100% safe. Looking forward though, a rider can do everything humanly possible while splitting and still not be 100% safe. It's about risk management / risk minimization; we're all fooling ourselves if we believe it's about risk elimination.
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Old June 28th, 2018, 04:56 PM   #45
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It goes back to riding in a way that allows you to stay in control. Once the actions of other drivers determine whether you crash or not, you're seriously risking your life.
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Old June 28th, 2018, 08:36 PM   #46
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I knew they'd issued guidelines, pulled it back, but I thought they reissued them again. Thanks for the clarification.
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While we may argue over the fine points of lane splitting, the Frence don't give a woot. Anything goes at any speed. We spent a lot of time riding around Paris, private cars, buses, taxis, and never saw one crash. A few close calls, but no wrecks. Try the stuff in New Jersey and you would get run over. People seemed to give the bikes a little leeway. Not much, just enough to keep from killing anyone.
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While we may argue over the fine points of lane splitting, the Frence don't give a woot. Anything goes at any speed. We spent a lot of time riding around Paris, private cars, buses, taxis, and never saw one crash. A few close calls, but no wrecks. Try the stuff in New Jersey and you would get run over. People seemed to give the bikes a little leeway. Not much, just enough to keep from killing anyone.
Every time you leave your driveway in New Jersey you never know if you'll be back again. It's as bad as Boston. New Jersey - the world's largest parking lot!

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Old June 29th, 2018, 09:23 AM   #49
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While we may argue over the fine points of lane splitting, the Frence don't give a woot. Anything goes at any speed. We spent a lot of time riding around Paris, private cars, buses, taxis, and never saw one crash. A few close calls, but no wrecks. Try the stuff in New Jersey and you would get run over. People seemed to give the bikes a little leeway. Not much, just enough to keep from killing anyone.
I see that (relatively polite) behavior toward motorcyclists all over Europe. It's been said that one of the reasons for that is the much larger population that starts on 2 wheels in some format prior to a full driving license. It's easier to see the other point of view if you've been in both positions, even years ago.
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I see that (relatively polite) behavior toward motorcyclists all over Europe. It's been said that one of the reasons for that is the much larger population that starts on 2 wheels in some format prior to a full driving license. It's easier to see the other point of view if you've been in both positions, even years ago.
I could see that. I've suggested the same thing here- that every driver spend some time on two wheels before going to four.
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This is L.A., people just don't want to get involved. Even if it's to help others.

Jim, sorry to hear about your wreck. Don't let other's stupidity ruin your life!!! I got hit while at university back in '88 and it did take while to recover mentally. In end, I got back on because I wasn't going to let idiots dictate my life!

Good idea on camera, I got Eken H9R about 2-yrs ago and couldn't be happier. Here's newer model: Amazon - Eken W9S. Best wishes on your recovery!
Thank you.

Just update my case. The police report said it is my fault for the accident. My attorney dropped my case. I made big mistake for not taking any pictures before I moved my bike from the accident scene so I don't have any evidence to prove the van driver's fault.

Fortunately I am completely recovered after 2 months and I am glad that I can play tennis without any pain now. I might sell or donate the bike soon.
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Thank you.

Just update my case. The police report said it is my fault for the accident. My attorney dropped my case. I made big mistake for not taking any pictures before I moved my bike from the accident scene so I don't have any evidence to prove the van driver's fault.

Fortunately I am completely recovered after 2 months and I am glad that I can play tennis without any pain now. I might sell or donate the bike soon.
Glad you're better Jim. My dad would say "If the horse throws you off get right back on it." Keep the bike for awhile, you might change your mind.

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