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you can, but they are not particularly cheap
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March 25th, 2015, 02:40 PM | #202 | |
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March 25th, 2015, 02:44 PM | #203 |
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went back to the dealer today. it was pretty empty. asked them about the R3... "r1?" ... "no r3." ... "the r1 is the biggest yamaha we have. but we don't carry any H3s right now. we're getting more R1s in next month though" ... "... no.... the R3... the little one." -- "sorry man i donno."
WTF YOU SELL BIKES FOR A LIVING AND YOU DONT KNOW WHAT AN R3 IS?!
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March 25th, 2015, 03:46 PM | #204 | |
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The reason adding preload in this case is 'willy nilly' is because you're throwing adjustments at a problem, despite not knowing what you're doing. I call that willy nilly because it's just taking shots in the dark. Preload does nothing for the stiffness of the front end because the spring rate and damping rates have not been changed. Knowing Ben's track habits, I'd bet he's not looking for sag adjustment. Keep telling yourself that preload adjusters will make the front end stiffer for riders who are 160lbs or more; that doesn't make it any more right. Put a heavier rider on a bike with preload and you're still going to get a diving nose under braking and a front end that mushes in corners. Sure it will ride the right height, but it won't be any firmer. TL;DR Don't suggest preload to correct a soft front end. |
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March 25th, 2015, 05:09 PM | #205 |
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speaking of, @choneofakind, when are you going to lathe me those cartridge emulators!!
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March 25th, 2015, 05:10 PM | #206 |
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Who'da whata what? hahaha ummmmmmmm no promises? hahaha
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March 25th, 2015, 05:42 PM | #207 | |
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March 25th, 2015, 07:38 PM | #208 |
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That's what I did, but it's nice to be able to be incredibly lazy and get away with it
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March 25th, 2015, 09:45 PM | #209 |
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That doesn't sound reassuring...
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March 25th, 2015, 09:48 PM | #210 |
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seriously a slipper clutch for a 300 cc motorcycle?!?! Who cares!
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March 25th, 2015, 10:40 PM | #212 |
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Just read up on slipper clutch -- actually I'd prefer engine breaking for around town riding! I had a turbo car that had minimal engine breaking, what a pita always having to break for even minor deceleration.
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March 25th, 2015, 10:40 PM | #213 |
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CNET review
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March 26th, 2015, 12:12 AM | #214 |
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March 26th, 2015, 06:00 AM | #215 |
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I don't understand your logic w/ this one.
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March 26th, 2015, 06:17 AM | #216 |
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March 26th, 2015, 06:22 AM | #217 |
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Ahhh I didn't even notice my screw up...haha
Still same thing as Kawi did w/ the 250 to 300, so that's why I didn't get it.
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March 26th, 2015, 02:23 PM | #218 | |
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March 26th, 2015, 02:26 PM | #219 |
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depending on your weight, proper spring weight will fix sag, if you are heavier for stock springs, then stiffer springs will fix it.
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March 26th, 2015, 02:29 PM | #220 | |
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March 26th, 2015, 02:45 PM | #221 |
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Dyno numbers for all 4 bikes. Except for the CBR, each bike best each other by 3HP.
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March 26th, 2015, 03:15 PM | #222 | |
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the point of suspension is to move. you have a limited amount of travel in your suspension. there's no point having as much as you do if you never use it. setting the correct spring rate means your bottom outs- the max force that spring will take on braking before the bike flips- comes as close to but doesn't go past your bottom out length. this doesn't necessarily set the correct sags in fact with a correct spring rate for bottom out most of the time its not the correct sag.. which is what setting preload is for. now mind you preload only adds initial pressure to the spring so your actual spring rate needs to be lower than what you want to wind up with so you can add a bit of preload. because without preload or some amazing perfectly lengthed spring (not gonna happen) you get a small amount of play at top out. anyway, you get the 1 rate lower spring and add some preload until the weight of the bike settle the suspension to your desired sag
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March 26th, 2015, 05:43 PM | #223 |
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^^^ werd.
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March 26th, 2015, 06:46 PM | #225 | |
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honestly it's unnecessary on anything other than a racing bike and even then it's not needed since someone who's racing *should* know how to blip the throttle for downshifts while braking. Engine braking is when the clutch is engaged (disengaged?) and you just roll off the throttle to brake
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March 26th, 2015, 07:03 PM | #227 | |
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luckily the sizing matches up with old r6 stuff so someone clever may be able to head over to their local used parts warehouse and get some forks + a shock that fits for all the adjust-ability they'd ever reasonably need.
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March 26th, 2015, 07:05 PM | #228 |
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The shape of the power curve means far more than the peak numbers.
That Duke makes 4 more hp than the rest of the world is getting, trying to find motorcyclist online or USA market dyno of it? KTM claim 43hp, tuned RC390 street versions put out 36-37 (A mate has a well sorted one) maybe its the Euro A2/ Au Lams spec that brings ours down. http://www.indiancarsbikes.in/wp-con...yno-Pull-1.jpg and http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attach...0-imag0761.jpg |
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Honestly I see it as a bad thing, it allows me to get into lazy/bad habits
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March 26th, 2015, 07:32 PM | #232 |
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March 26th, 2015, 07:32 PM | #233 |
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It will definitely smooth out little mistakes that could high side a guy on a liter bike w/o the slipper.
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March 26th, 2015, 07:34 PM | #234 | |
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I've even been complimented for it at the track while being coached at mid-o. Then again I'm sure those coaches see tons of guys who don't even blip the throttle
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March 26th, 2015, 07:56 PM | #235 |
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you adjust the spring rate the same as any other bike. by replacing the springs.
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March 26th, 2015, 09:10 PM | #238 |
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so we're going to do this.
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that isn't rear brake.
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