Newgen rain tires?

SPG · December 13th, 2010, 05:37 PM

I am looking for some rain tires for next season. I am in the Pac NW, so it is a fair assumption that there will be some moisture on the track surface. We can run rain tires, but they are either 120 front and 160 rear from big bikes, or 90F/120R from the 125 GP bikes. I can't be the first person with this dilema, so what have the rest of you done? (other than move to Cali...)

Thanks in advance.
-Sean

KTRacing38 · December 28th, 2010, 09:16 AM

We get lots of rain during our racing season here, so I feel your pain. Fortunately, I didn't have any rain races last season, but I pre-bought all my tires before the season. I went with GP 125 tires (90F/120R). It seemed to be the best option for me. I didn't get to use them, so I can't give you any feed back on performance.

K.

esi7esi7 · December 28th, 2010, 09:56 AM

I think I heard someone saying they used Michelins here but the rear was much wider than usual. I don't really know for sure though.

SPG · December 28th, 2010, 10:27 PM

Thanks both of you for the replies, I was beginning to think nobody rode in the rain...
I finally picked up some 125GP rains, so maybe I'll get a chance to give them a try sometime soon.
-Sean

KTRacing38 · December 29th, 2010, 11:55 AM

I hate racing in the rain. The 2008 season here was pretty much all rain. If it wasn't raining during your race, you were lucky. It seemed like it only rained on race weekends.

krunkfoo · December 29th, 2010, 08:05 PM

Has anyone used supermoto tires for 250's. They are softer than traditional road racing tires and comparatively cheaper.

dino74 · September 7th, 2011, 10:09 PM

to see if anyone actually got to use the 125GP rain tires...

SPG · September 8th, 2011, 09:27 AM

Yes. We had a very wet season and the 125 rains were worth their weight in gold.

The tires are absolutely magic. The fast guys are only a couple of seconds off their dry pace, and have no problem dragging their knees while riding through standing water.

dino74 · September 8th, 2011, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPG

Yes. We had a very wet season and the 125 rains were worth their weight in gold.

The tires are absolutely magic. The fast guys are only a couple of seconds off their dry pace, and have no problem dragging their knees while riding through standing water.

Thanks for the update!

dino74 · September 19th, 2011, 11:26 PM

I forgot to ask. Which brand seem to be the most popular in the rain?

SPG · September 27th, 2011, 02:31 PM

Most of the guys I see are on Dunlops.
-Sean

Zyconic17 · October 15th, 2011, 04:29 PM

maybe this is a stupid question... but how do you buy 125GP rain tires? i cant even find them on the dunlop website? how does everybody buy theirs?

Alex · October 15th, 2011, 05:12 PM

Track vendors. Here's a list of distributors up on the www.dunlopracing.com site:

http://dunlopracing.com/contact-about/

Zyconic17 · October 16th, 2011, 06:14 PM

Thanks Alex!

kavo · May 7th, 2012, 02:17 AM

Are you guys with the 125 wets using "world"/euro wets or the knobby tyres that yould say look similar to dirt tyres?

Jiggyfly · May 7th, 2012, 10:20 AM

Their 125 GP tires, dude.

I've been racing since Jesus was a senior in high school, & I don't know
wtf "euro vs knobby like a dirt bike tire" means!!!???

Google, search....125gp rain tire, images....

I dunno. Some of the stuff posted here.......

kavo · May 7th, 2012, 12:43 PM

Sorry my description was pretty ****.
In australia you can only buy rain tyres for 125's from dunlop that look like this

But everyone thinks they are **** (or not as good as) the "world" gp wets they buy from the UK or spain. they look like this

Jiggyfly · May 7th, 2012, 01:59 PM

Sorry for my harsh(ish) response....

All of the rains I've seen here look like the first type.

SPG · May 8th, 2012, 05:16 PM

Here in the US we seem to have the "old" style Dunlop rains which look like the first type, and the "new" style which the front looks like the second type, and the rear looks similar but at more of an angle (like a chevron). The old type are reputed to stick well in full wet conditions, while the newer style are supposed to last longer in drying and intermediate conditions.

I have run the old style and they work. Also, Bridgestone and Pirelli look similar to them in tread design. Since Seattle rains a lot of the time, but not always a lot in quantity, I will probably pick up a set of the newer Dunlops for those times when I don't want to run the dry tires yet, but the track is dry enough to eat up the rains. As it is now, I just have some hammered rains which I use for the intermediate conditions, but the tread blocks are very scalloped and don't work well in standing water anymore.

-Sean

kavo · May 9th, 2012, 05:29 PM

Yeah my brother who raced an RS125 last year and a moto3 this year has some of the chevron style. He hasn't used them since he was given a pair of the new/world/european style to try as he and all his other competitors in that class here in australia believe the euro/new style is 10x better. But since the ninja is a lot slower and it seems like you guysin the US have no problems with the old style I might just use the ones he doesn't want

Kangxi · June 21st, 2012, 10:54 AM

Now that's it is technically summer one would think that a thread on rains would be all dried up - but then again you probably don't live in the Pacific Northwest. Just to add to this thread, KFG Racing (Seattle area) is suggesting the following Pirelli combination for our 250s:

Front 100/70R17 SCR1 - Soft
Rear 125/70R17 SCR1 - Soft

I am getting this setup for our upcoming rainy weekend at PIR. I'm sure it will be bomber. More concerned about required suspension adjustments than the tires. Will ask around and experiment w suspension tweaks in the rain this weekend and try to post up some thoughts next week.

>K<

December 13th, 2010, 05:37 PM	#1
SPG ninjette.org member Name: Sean Location: Seattle Join Date: Aug 2010 Motorcycle(s): 250 Ninjette Posts: 94	Newgen rain tires? I am looking for some rain tires for next season. I am in the Pac NW, so it is a fair assumption that there will be some moisture on the track surface. We can run rain tires, but they are either 120 front and 160 rear from big bikes, or 90F/120R from the 125 GP bikes. I can't be the first person with this dilema, so what have the rest of you done? (other than move to Cali...) Thanks in advance. -Sean

December 28th, 2010, 09:56 AM	#3
esi7esi7 212 Name: Lisa Location: Houston, TX Join Date: Dec 2009 Motorcycle(s): 09 250R, 09 ZX6R Posts: 121	I think I heard someone saying they used Michelins here but the rear was much wider than usual. I don't really know for sure though. __________________________________________________ Lisa www.212decals.com Custom Decals for your bike! Support a fellow racer!

September 7th, 2011, 10:09 PM	#7
dino74 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: dino Location: Oceanside, Ca Join Date: Nov 2010 Motorcycle(s): '09 250 Street, '09 250 Race, '13 300 Race Posts: A lot.	to see if anyone actually got to use the 125GP rain tires... __________________________________________________ CVMA #55

September 19th, 2011, 11:26 PM	#10
dino74 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: dino Location: Oceanside, Ca Join Date: Nov 2010 Motorcycle(s): '09 250 Street, '09 250 Race, '13 300 Race Posts: A lot.	I forgot to ask. Which brand seem to be the most popular in the rain? __________________________________________________ CVMA #55

October 15th, 2011, 05:12 PM	#13
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Track vendors. Here's a list of distributors up on the www.dunlopracing.com site: http://dunlopracing.com/contact-about/ __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

December 28th, 2010, 09:16 AM	#2
KTRacing38 2010 250 Cup Champion Name: Kristy Location: Port Perry, Ontario, Canada Join Date: Jan 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250R and 2007 Honda CR150F Posts: 168	We get lots of rain during our racing season here, so I feel your pain. Fortunately, I didn't have any rain races last season, but I pre-bought all my tires before the season. I went with GP 125 tires (90F/120R). It seemed to be the best option for me. I didn't get to use them, so I can't give you any feed back on performance. K.

December 28th, 2010, 10:27 PM	#4
SPG ninjette.org member Name: Sean Location: Seattle Join Date: Aug 2010 Motorcycle(s): 250 Ninjette Posts: 94	Thanks both of you for the replies, I was beginning to think nobody rode in the rain... I finally picked up some 125GP rains, so maybe I'll get a chance to give them a try sometime soon. -Sean

December 29th, 2010, 11:55 AM	#5
KTRacing38 2010 250 Cup Champion Name: Kristy Location: Port Perry, Ontario, Canada Join Date: Jan 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250R and 2007 Honda CR150F Posts: 168	I hate racing in the rain. The 2008 season here was pretty much all rain. If it wasn't raining during your race, you were lucky. It seemed like it only rained on race weekends.

December 29th, 2010, 08:05 PM	#6
krunkfoo ninjette.org member Name: krunkfoo Location: Kirkland Join Date: Nov 2010 Motorcycle(s): ninja 250 Posts: 52	Has anyone used supermoto tires for 250's. They are softer than traditional road racing tires and comparatively cheaper.

September 8th, 2011, 09:27 AM	#8
SPG ninjette.org member Name: Sean Location: Seattle Join Date: Aug 2010 Motorcycle(s): 250 Ninjette Posts: 94	Yes. We had a very wet season and the 125 rains were worth their weight in gold. The tires are absolutely magic. The fast guys are only a couple of seconds off their dry pace, and have no problem dragging their knees while riding through standing water.

September 27th, 2011, 02:31 PM	#11
SPG ninjette.org member Name: Sean Location: Seattle Join Date: Aug 2010 Motorcycle(s): 250 Ninjette Posts: 94	Most of the guys I see are on Dunlops. -Sean

October 15th, 2011, 04:29 PM	#12
Zyconic17 ninjette.org member Name: David Location: Arvada Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250r Track bike, Honda CRF250r Dirt bike Posts: 137	maybe this is a stupid question... but how do you buy 125GP rain tires? i cant even find them on the dunlop website? how does everybody buy theirs?

October 16th, 2011, 06:14 PM	#14
Zyconic17 ninjette.org member Name: David Location: Arvada Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250r Track bike, Honda CRF250r Dirt bike Posts: 137	Thanks Alex!

May 7th, 2012, 02:17 AM	#15
kavo ninjette.org member Name: Mitch Location: Brisbane, AU Join Date: Feb 2012 Motorcycle(s): '10 Ninja 250 Racer Posts: 95	Are you guys with the 125 wets using "world"/euro wets or the knobby tyres that yould say look similar to dirt tyres?

May 7th, 2012, 10:20 AM	#16
Jiggyfly ninjette.org member Name: Shon Location: Columbia, sc Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Kawasaki ninja 250 Posts: 132	Their 125 GP tires, dude. I've been racing since Jesus was a senior in high school, & I don't know wtf "euro vs knobby like a dirt bike tire" means!!!??? Google, search....125gp rain tire, images.... I dunno. Some of the stuff posted here.......

May 7th, 2012, 12:43 PM	#17
kavo ninjette.org member Name: Mitch Location: Brisbane, AU Join Date: Feb 2012 Motorcycle(s): '10 Ninja 250 Racer Posts: 95	Sorry my description was pretty **. In australia you can only buy rain tyres for 125's from dunlop that look like this But everyone thinks they are ** (or not as good as) the "world" gp wets they buy from the UK or spain. they look like this

May 7th, 2012, 01:59 PM	#18
Jiggyfly ninjette.org member Name: Shon Location: Columbia, sc Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Kawasaki ninja 250 Posts: 132	Sorry for my harsh(ish) response.... All of the rains I've seen here look like the first type.

May 8th, 2012, 05:16 PM	#19
SPG ninjette.org member Name: Sean Location: Seattle Join Date: Aug 2010 Motorcycle(s): 250 Ninjette Posts: 94	Here in the US we seem to have the "old" style Dunlop rains which look like the first type, and the "new" style which the front looks like the second type, and the rear looks similar but at more of an angle (like a chevron). The old type are reputed to stick well in full wet conditions, while the newer style are supposed to last longer in drying and intermediate conditions. I have run the old style and they work. Also, Bridgestone and Pirelli look similar to them in tread design. Since Seattle rains a lot of the time, but not always a lot in quantity, I will probably pick up a set of the newer Dunlops for those times when I don't want to run the dry tires yet, but the track is dry enough to eat up the rains. As it is now, I just have some hammered rains which I use for the intermediate conditions, but the tread blocks are very scalloped and don't work well in standing water anymore. -Sean

May 9th, 2012, 05:29 PM	#20
kavo ninjette.org member Name: Mitch Location: Brisbane, AU Join Date: Feb 2012 Motorcycle(s): '10 Ninja 250 Racer Posts: 95	Yeah my brother who raced an RS125 last year and a moto3 this year has some of the chevron style. He hasn't used them since he was given a pair of the new/world/european style to try as he and all his other competitors in that class here in australia believe the euro/new style is 10x better. But since the ninja is a lot slower and it seems like you guysin the US have no problems with the old style I might just use the ones he doesn't want __________________________________________________ #77

June 21st, 2012, 10:54 AM	#21
Kangxi OMRRA 701 Name: . Location: PDX Join Date: Jan 2012 Motorcycle(s): 'jette, R6 Posts: 96	Now that's it is technically summer one would think that a thread on rains would be all dried up - but then again you probably don't live in the Pacific Northwest. Just to add to this thread, KFG Racing (Seattle area) is suggesting the following Pirelli combination for our 250s: Front 100/70R17 SCR1 - Soft Rear 125/70R17 SCR1 - Soft I am getting this setup for our upcoming rainy weekend at PIR. I'm sure it will be bomber. More concerned about required suspension adjustments than the tires. Will ask around and experiment w suspension tweaks in the rain this weekend and try to post up some thoughts next week. >K<

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