High Mounted Third Brake Light !!!

g21-30 · October 15th, 2009, 04:40 AM

Wireless Helmet Brake Light Kit - LED

This product really has potential. While searching for LED replacement bulbs for the tail/brake light, I found this.

http://www.whitehorsepress.com/produ...oducts_id=5361

bob706 · October 15th, 2009, 05:26 AM

Nevrfastenuf · October 15th, 2009, 05:49 AM

That's a pretty cool Idea, I like it

camaroz1985 · October 15th, 2009, 06:20 AM

That is pretty cool. Wonder how long the batteries last. It looks like it takes 4 watch batteries which could get kind of expensive/annoying to replace if they don't last very long. Looks like a good safety device.

October 15th, 2009, 06:20 AM

Nice!

rockNroll · October 15th, 2009, 06:26 AM

My own, somewhat insignificant personal opinion.....

There are things which people do to motorcycles which non-motorcyclists don't understand. When this non-motorcyclist sees these things, he now gets somewhat fixated on them (vehicular distraction) which I feel actually makes things more unsafe.

This item would fall into this category, along with integrated tail light assemblies and brake light modulators. The typical cage driver doesn't realize what's goin on, doesn't recognize it as a 3rd brake light, turn signal or attention-getting pulsation... etc.

A light that comes on with brake application, fixed to the back of my helmet, is just something new to throw at a cager's eyes and distract them, perhaps making them not even realize that my bike's brake light is on.

adouglas · October 15th, 2009, 07:15 AM

I agree. It's much better to present something expected.

I'm big on passive visibility enhancers like bright colored clothing, reflective stickers on my helmet and positioning myself so the cagers can see me easily. All extra the flashy blinky stuff just gets in the way.

It's like the whole high-beams-in-the-daytime thing. Bad idea because it's TOO much.

Things like brake light modulators seem a good idea on the surface, but if I need to get the attention of a following vehicle I just tap the brake lever three times fast to alert them that something's up (I do the same thing in my car). After that, the brake light will behave the way they expect it to.

Plasmatoast · October 15th, 2009, 08:15 AM

Gmax Helmets have a Led Flasher mounted to the back that takes a pair of AAA batteries, last a long time and works well

LazinCajun · October 15th, 2009, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adouglas

I agree. It's much better to present something expected.

I'm big on passive visibility enhancers like bright colored clothing, reflective stickers on my helmet and positioning myself so the cagers can see me easily. All extra the flashy blinky stuff just gets in the way.

It's like the whole high-beams-in-the-daytime thing. Bad idea because it's TOO much.

Things like brake light modulators seem a good idea on the surface, but if I need to get the attention of a following vehicle I just tap the brake lever three times fast to alert them that something's up (I do the same thing in my car). After that, the brake light will behave the way they expect it to.

People DO expect to see a high brake light! Most vehicles on the road have them

Off topic -- OTOH, I agree with you completely about the high beam. I had somebody on a new gen blind me at night on a college campus, and I almost didn't see a pedestrian crossing the street even though I was only going ~15mph.

rockNroll · October 15th, 2009, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LazinCajun

People DO expect to see a high brake light! Most vehicles on the road have them

But not on the back of a head.

LazinCajun · October 15th, 2009, 08:50 AM

Following sportbikes at moderate distances at night, typically all I can see is the brakelight. What difference does it make if you can't see the rider's head anyway?

October 15th, 2009, 09:09 AM

I would think in a situation where a vehicle is at that height level where they cant necessarily see the tail light, a helmet brake light would be beneficial. Or if the driver is a little vertically challenged and their vision could be obstructed due to tail gaiting.

rockNroll · October 15th, 2009, 09:31 AM

Ok, then I guess it would be OK as long as it was only turned on at night or when being tail gated

LaDeeRyDer · October 16th, 2009, 03:22 PM

That's pretty good. I just have reflective tape on the back of my helmet.

minuslars · October 16th, 2009, 03:46 PM

I think the key is having 2 brake lights, not necessarily where they are located. Two brake lights indicate that there is something in between them, i.e. a bike and rider. Same with 2 headlights.

g21-30 · October 16th, 2009, 04:08 PM

Might help others to see there is a motorcycle in front of cars, which they are following. Many times the vehicle in front a cager will block out the motorcycle in front of them.

The argument that reflective clothing is better than additional lights can be debated by also saying the clothing can cause others to fixate on the clothing. Anything that brings attention to the biker, etc. is a good thing! What the observer does as a result of detecting the biker is out of our hands.

Sailariel · October 17th, 2009, 06:42 PM

I like the idea of a helmet mounted brake light. I have a red "blinkey" on the back of my bicycle helmet and an LED light on the front of my helmet--along with a very bright Halogen headlight. Never had a problem being seen. As for LED lights--you can easily get a whole season out of a set of batteries.

October 15th, 2009, 04:40 AM	#1
g21-30 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Sam Location: Northern Virginia Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R 2009 Posts: A lot.	High Mounted Third Brake Light !!! Wireless Helmet Brake Light Kit - LED This product really has potential. While searching for LED replacement bulbs for the tail/brake light, I found this. http://www.whitehorsepress.com/produ...oducts_id=5361

October 15th, 2009, 05:49 AM	#3
Nevrfastenuf ninjette.org member Name: Clint Location: Utah Join Date: Aug 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 ER-6n 2009 Ninja 250 sold :( Posts: 61	That's a pretty cool Idea, I like it __________________________________________________ "Never argue with an idiot, they will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience" -Unknown

October 16th, 2009, 04:08 PM	#16
g21-30 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Sam Location: Northern Virginia Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R 2009 Posts: A lot.	Might help others to see there is a motorcycle in front of cars, which they are following. Many times the vehicle in front a cager will block out the motorcycle in front of them. The argument that reflective clothing is better than additional lights can be debated by also saying the clothing can cause others to fixate on the clothing. Anything that brings attention to the biker, etc. is a good thing! What the observer does as a result of detecting the biker is out of our hands. Last futzed with by g21-30; October 18th, 2009 at 06:34 AM.

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October 15th, 2009, 05:26 AM	#2
bob706 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Sean Location: Mary Esther, FL Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250 1998 HD Road King Posts: A lot.

October 15th, 2009, 06:20 AM	#4
camaroz1985 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Ryan Location: Carlisle, PA Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2008 WR250R, 2006 Ural Raven (Sold), 2009 Versys Green (Sold), 2008 Ninja 250R Green (Sold) Posts: A lot.	That is pretty cool. Wonder how long the batteries last. It looks like it takes 4 watch batteries which could get kind of expensive/annoying to replace if they don't last very long. Looks like a good safety device.

October 15th, 2009, 06:20 AM	#5
miztyzo562 Guest Posts: n/a	Nice!

October 15th, 2009, 06:26 AM	#6
rockNroll . Name: rock Location: greenville, south carolina Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): black Posts: A lot.	My own, somewhat insignificant personal opinion..... There are things which people do to motorcycles which non-motorcyclists don't understand. When this non-motorcyclist sees these things, he now gets somewhat fixated on them (vehicular distraction) which I feel actually makes things more unsafe. This item would fall into this category, along with integrated tail light assemblies and brake light modulators. The typical cage driver doesn't realize what's goin on, doesn't recognize it as a 3rd brake light, turn signal or attention-getting pulsation... etc. A light that comes on with brake application, fixed to the back of my helmet, is just something new to throw at a cager's eyes and distract them, perhaps making them not even realize that my bike's brake light is on.

October 15th, 2009, 07:15 AM	#7
adouglas Cat herder Name: Gort Location: A secret lair which, being secret, has an undisclosed location Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): Aprilia RS660 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 6 MOTM - Jul '18, Nov '16, Aug '14, May '13	I agree. It's much better to present something expected. I'm big on passive visibility enhancers like bright colored clothing, reflective stickers on my helmet and positioning myself so the cagers can see me easily. All extra the flashy blinky stuff just gets in the way. It's like the whole high-beams-in-the-daytime thing. Bad idea because it's TOO much. Things like brake light modulators seem a good idea on the surface, but if I need to get the attention of a following vehicle I just tap the brake lever three times fast to alert them that something's up (I do the same thing in my car). After that, the brake light will behave the way they expect it to.

October 15th, 2009, 08:15 AM	#8
Plasmatoast ninjette.org member Name: Ryan Location: Augusta Me Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 09 250R - 08 250R - 03 250EX - 86 KLR 250 Posts: 60	Gmax Helmets have a Led Flasher mounted to the back that takes a pair of AAA batteries, last a long time and works well

October 15th, 2009, 08:50 AM	#11
LazinCajun ninjette.org guru Name: Anon Location: Atlanta, GA Join Date: Aug 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250 (Blue!) Posts: 488	Following sportbikes at moderate distances at night, typically all I can see is the brakelight. What difference does it make if you can't see the rider's head anyway?

October 15th, 2009, 09:09 AM	#12
miztyzo562 Guest Posts: n/a	I would think in a situation where a vehicle is at that height level where they cant necessarily see the tail light, a helmet brake light would be beneficial. Or if the driver is a little vertically challenged and their vision could be obstructed due to tail gaiting.

October 15th, 2009, 09:31 AM	#13
rockNroll . Name: rock Location: greenville, south carolina Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): black Posts: A lot.	Ok, then I guess it would be OK as long as it was only turned on at night or when being tail gated

October 16th, 2009, 03:22 PM	#14
LaDeeRyDer Just go! Name: Joy Location: San Jose Join Date: Sep 2008 Motorcycle(s): 06 Ninja 250 (sold) :( Posts: 27	That's pretty good. I just have reflective tape on the back of my helmet.

October 16th, 2009, 03:46 PM	#15
minuslars ninjette.org member Name: Arthur Location: NoVA Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): '03 EX250 Posts: 134	I think the key is having 2 brake lights, not necessarily where they are located. Two brake lights indicate that there is something in between them, i.e. a bike and rider. Same with 2 headlights.

October 17th, 2009, 06:42 PM	#17
Sailariel ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Alex Location: Belfast, ME Join Date: Jul 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Honda NT-700-V, formerly, Green 2008 Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.	I like the idea of a helmet mounted brake light. I have a red "blinkey" on the back of my bicycle helmet and an LED light on the front of my helmet--along with a very bright Halogen headlight. Never had a problem being seen. As for LED lights--you can easily get a whole season out of a set of batteries.