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Old September 14th, 2011, 03:17 PM   #1
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Old September 14th, 2011, 03:17 PM   #2
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Old September 14th, 2011, 03:23 PM   #3
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Old September 14th, 2011, 03:32 PM   #4
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Old September 14th, 2011, 04:18 PM   #6
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Has kevlar more important areas. Knees, and butt. <-- Sounds like a weird rap song. Lol. Amyways, it's better then typical jeans. But I do plan on upgrading to better more durable pants later. There's a pair somewhere for a hefty price but a life time warrantee. I'll post a link if I can find it.
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Old September 14th, 2011, 04:22 PM   #7
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Jeans are not good a good option. The following is from my blog, which summarizes all manner of studies on motorcycle safety:

There are many choices when selecting motorcycle gear, and we hear things about which materials provide best protection against road rash. I thought some research might benefit those looking for gear, or people who sometimes don't wear all their gear. The following comes from manufacturers, individual tests from advrider.com and various other sources, but they should provide some good points for discussion and probably offer good rules of thumb. Please note that abrasion resistance is only part of the story, you should also consider stitching quality and impact protection. If you have good abrasion resistance, but the stitching fails, you may end up using skin as your abrasion resistance. Also, if you have a poor fit of you gear, it may shift, making abrasion resistance worthless. Please also note that there are a couple of studies that show that price and protection aren't necessarily linked. You have to check quality, not the brand.

These studies tend to be a bit old, and don't include enough information about modern, high D corduras.

How Far Something Can Drag on Asphalt Before You Hit Skin:

"Samples were stitched to a bag that held a 75-pound
sandbag inside a milk crate, then dragged behind a pickup truck..."

New 100% Cotton Denim Jeans -------------------- 3' 10"
Balistic Nylon ------------------------------------- 3' 10"
Leather, Lightweight, Nude Finish, 2.25 oz/sq. ft. --- 4' 3"
Leather, Fashion Weight, 1.75 oz/sq ft. ------------- 4' 4"
Two-year-old 100% Cotton Denim Jeans ------------ 4' 5"
440D Cordura Nylon ------------------------------- 18' 3"
Kevlar 29 Aramid Fiber, Style 713 ------------------ 22' 1"
Leather, Competition Weight, 3 oz/sq. ft. ---------- 86' 0"

Tear and Abrasion Strength:

CottonJeans ----------------- 4.5 pounds to tear 50 cycles to failure
70 Denier Standard Nylon----- 4.5 pounds to tear 165 cycles to failure
500 Denier Polyester---------- 8 pounds to tear 180 cycles to failure
200 Denier Standard Nylon---- 7.5 pounds to tear 275 cycles to failure
500 Denier Cordura----------- 22 pounds to tear 710 cycles to failure
620 Denier Cordura----------- 35 pounds to tear 1200 cycles to failure
Competition Grade Leather---- 80-110 pounds to tear 1200-1700 cycles to failure
1000 Denier Cordura---------- 110 pounds to tear 1780 cycles to failure
Kevlar----------------------- 1260 pounds to tear 970 cycles to failure

Abrasion Strength - Taber Industries:

"The specimen was mounted on a rotating platform and scuffed by two rubber-emery grinding wheels." The numbers represent the
number of revolutions until the fabric totally fails.

Two-year-old 100% Cotton Denim Jeans ---- 168
New 100% Cotton Denim Jeans ------------- 225
Kevlar 29 Aramid Fiber, Style 713 ----------- 506
440 D Cordura Nylon ------------------------559
Leather, Lightweight, 2.25 oz./sq. ft.-------- 564
Leather, Fashion Weight, 1.75 oz./sq. ft. -----750
Senior Ballistic Nylon ------------------------817
Leather, Competition Weight, 3 oz./sq. ft. --- 2600

Seconds of Drag on Asphalt Before Getting Holes:

Denim ---------------------------------0.2 to 0.5
Textile gloves -------------------------0.6
Most leather gloves---------------------1.0 to 1.8
Keprotec stretch material---------------0.9
Poor Kevlar-----------------------------1.0
Two layers of waxed cotton------------ 1.3
1.3mm thick cow hide ------------------3.8
Two layers of 1.3mm thick cowhide------18
Three layers of 1.3mm thick cowhide-----55
Two layers of Kevlar plain weave---------5.6
Suede ---------------------------------18
Boot leather (generally 2.2mm thick)-----20
Leather stretch panels------------------20.4
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Old September 14th, 2011, 05:04 PM   #8
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Old September 14th, 2011, 05:36 PM   #9
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Old September 14th, 2011, 06:26 PM   #12
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If I wear Jeans I also wear under them Bond armor over I wear leather over pans 1.4mm.

This is mainly when i ride my Shadow VT1100c. I wear a Cortech tour jacket armored or I wear a Wilson leather motorcycle jacket with with an Icon stryker vest under and a set of elbow pads. No shoulder protection though.

Even when I wear my patch vest I wear elbow pads and long shirt with my stryker vest.

Along with he Cortech jacket is the caliber pants. Normally when cold. I added two pics show the gear.
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Old September 14th, 2011, 06:29 PM   #13
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If I wear Jeans I also wear under them Bond armor over I wear leather over pans 1.4mm.

This is mainly when i ride my Shadow VT1100c. I wear a Cortech tour jacket armored or I wear a Wilson leather motorcycle jacket with with an Icon stryker vest under and a set of elbow pads. No shoulder protection though.

Even when I wear my patch vest I wear elbow pads and long shirt with my stryker vest.

Along with he Cortech jacket is the caliber pants. Normally when cold. I added two pics show the gear.
As I was going to say I almost always wear Leather race gear. But even when I do not I wear protection you can stay cool and look good at the same time. Off highway or on highway.
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According to Floyd's chart, cheap leather is worse that a 2 year old pair of jeans. So be careful what you buy. Not all leather is the same. CE approved armor does not mean CE approved Leather.

Also, buy something appropriate for your climate. Full leather is too hot in the summer here and people just go without and leave it in the closet. You're better off with mesh in that case because its cooler even though mesh isn't as good as high grade leather.
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According to Floyd's chart, cheap leather is worse that a 2 year old pair of jeans. So be careful what you buy. Not all leather is the same. CE approved armor does not mean CE approved Leather.

Also, buy something appropriate for your climate. Full leather is too hot in the summer here and people just go without and leave it in the closet. You're better off with mesh in that case because its cooler even though mesh isn't as good as high grade leather.
i didnt know there was ce approved leather lmao.
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She's just riding a scooter. imagine if she had a 400lbs sports bike.

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She's just riding a scooter. imagine if she had a 400lbs sports bike.

Ride safe guys, and ATGATT please

Yeah, see way to many scootter snuffies with no gear no helmet.

I learned never to wear fingerless MC gloves leather or not. I was wearing a set in my MSF class back in late 80s. I went down and put a bunch of rock and glass in my palm. From that day forward I always wore proper full fingered gloves.

I know a Harley rider in back in Baltimore where I am from who lost his leg shredded to the bone. It started to rain and he was trying to make it to a bridge to get off the road and wait out. never made it lost traction bike slid he went down lost his leg from knee down. Wearing jeans and tennis shoes.

That is why I wear gear today. After 40 years I have grown attached to my scarred & tattooed skin. I find it suits me well.
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^ Thank you sir for sharing your experience.

Me. after seeing this http://forum.svrider.com/showthread.php?t=105585. and experiencing first hand what the pavement and other elements can do to you. I started focusing on my gear more than my bike's farkles.

And I would also like to thank the people on this forum who reminded and educated me to wear the proper gear. Because if you guys didn't, I wouldn't be able to type this right now Thanks guys.
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I'm wearing kevlar-reinforced denim as my pants ATGATT (with knee/shin armor, race boots and armored shorts), but need to get on the ball with getting some real leather pants. I do too much aggressive riding for jeans of any kind
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Ugh that looked nasty...if I wore every piece of gear available it would take me longer to put it all on than it does to get to work...

I would like some kevlar jeans but it might have to wait a few weeks till I have the extra money for them...
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^ Thank you sir for sharing your experience.

Me. after seeing this http://forum.svrider.com/showthread.php?t=105585. and experiencing first hand what the pavement and other elements can do to you. I started focusing on my gear more than my bike's farkles.

And I would also like to thank the people on this forum who reminded and educated me to wear the proper gear. Because if you guys didn't, I wouldn't be able to type this right now Thanks guys.
I second this. Before I joined this forum, I'd been riding for two years in jeans (got lucky that I never ended up under a car). You guys provide the right kind of peer pressure, and I now ride ATGATT.
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And I would also like to thank the people on this forum who reminded and educated me to wear the proper gear. Because if you guys didn't, I wouldn't be able to type this right now Thanks guys.
Seconded, except for the not being able to type this part, since I haven't been in a serious accident.

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shiiiit now I gotta get special pants! DAMNIT. lol

so did anyone have the denim pants with the Kevlar? Cause I would like to keep it low key... I dont like calling TOO much attention to myself
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Kevlar jeans

I had a pair of the Cortech jeans with armor. I hated them to baggy and the armor never stays in place. Not good!!!!!

Spend the money buy kevlar jeans you like and purchase bond armor. Serves several may purposes.

1. It is a base layer
2. adds Shin knee guard that does not move (important)
3. Tail bone guard double thickness you can split it down to be thinner
4. has hip protectors
5. has thigh protection (I removed mine)
I wear regular jeans with mine but I wear a leather over pant for sliding rather then tumble and shred.

The bond armor is comfortable and stays in place and has quality armor.
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I had a pair of the Cortech jeans with armor. I hated them to baggy and the armor never stays in place. Not good!!!!!

Spend the money buy kevlar jeans you like and purchase Bohn armor. Serves several may purposes.

1. It is a base layer
2. adds Shin knee guard that does not move (important)
3. Tail bone guard double thickness you can split it down to be thinner
4. has hip protectors
5. has thigh protection (I removed mine)
I wear regular jeans with mine but I wear a leather over pant for sliding rather then tumble and shred.

The Bohn armor is comfortable and stays in place and has quality armor.
Fixed in the interest for those that may want to investigate the product further.
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I have these -- they are pretty low key as far as motorcycle pants go and have armor in the knee/shin and hip padding. They are super comfortable too!

The way I look at it is that I would feel like an absolute jerk if I crashed and had rash/lifelong scars that could have been prevented For $250.
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