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Old February 17th, 2015, 04:01 PM   #1
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Another Tire Thread!

Hello all! So the 2015 season is coming up soo (not soon enough) and I'm going to be putting new tires on the 250. I have narrowed it down to two sets of tires.

The Pirelli Sport Demon
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The Metzeler Lasertec Bias Sport Touring Tire

I will be using my bike a lot to commute to a from work, plus general riding around town. During the summer it will be my primary vehicle and I also plan on doing a few group rides and day trips with friends.

I put about 1k miles on my bike from July(only had temps) to November (fully endorsed now) I estimate 3-4k miles for this season with not a lot of hard riding.

I'm also open to suggestions, initial payment is not a huge issue but would like something I will not have to replace next year if possible.
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Old February 17th, 2015, 04:17 PM   #2
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O brother, you said open up a HUGE CAN OF WORMS.

My 2¢ for MY pregen is Brigdestone BT-45s or for mostly commuting I'd go with KENDA K-671s, excellent wear, and wet traction as well, I run those on my ninja 500 i get about 8k miles out of the back, and they are extremely affordable too, I get mine from Bike Bandit.

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Old February 17th, 2015, 04:27 PM   #3
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BT-45s are really good, I've ran them in the past and been more than happy with them. They especially work well in the rain.

If you wanna save some money though I personally can recommend a Shinko 712 in the rear and a Kenda k671 in front. That's what I'm running on my pre-gen right now and the combination works great for me... or you could go with Kendas front and rear for not much more $$$.

Seriously the Shinko and Kenda are both great tires. I rode all the way to the dragon and back with the Shinko on the rear and an old BT-45 in the front and had absolutely no problems. The 712 is a pretty soft tire but it has a deep tread.
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Old February 17th, 2015, 04:48 PM   #4
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I've considered the Kendas, maybe I should consider them a bit more, they were affordable and seemed to have good reviews.
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First, read this:
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The Sport Demons are the grippiest, but last the least. A rear likely wouldn't last more than one season of 3-4k riding. (results may vary, of course)

The Metzelers will last longer, but still only 7-8k for most.

My personal favorites are: track use-Sport Demons, commuting/around town- Kenda K671, and touring- Metzeler ME 880.

To comment on the above posters, the BT45 is a great tire, but my friend's rear cupped after only 4-5k.. Food for thought
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I've considered the Kendas, maybe I should consider them a bit more, they were affordable and seemed to have good reviews.
They are good, I ran two sets on my Ninja 500, no issues, and a great rain tire, and you can't beat the bang for the buck either, they handle well too.
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First, read this:
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The Sport Demons are the grippiest, but last the least. A rear likely wouldn't last more than one season of 3-4k riding. (results may vary, of course)

The Metzelers will last longer, but still only 7-8k for most.

My personal favorites are: track use-Sport Demons, commuting/around town- Kenda K671, and touring- Metzeler ME 880.

To comment on the above posters, the BT45 is a great tire, but my friend's rear cupped after only 4-5k.. Food for thought
I have always used Dynabeads, and never had any issues of cupping on any tire, and keep them properly inflated as well.

The pictures below shows my BT-45 w/ Dynabeads with 4,300 miles
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I never had any issues with cupping on the rear bt-45. The front had slight cupping, but hell I got about 14k miles out of that tire.
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I have always used Dynabeads, and never had any issues of cupping on any tire, and keep them properly inflated as well.
The pictures below shows my BT-45 w/ Dynabeads with 4,300 miles
How does the inside of the tire look after running dynabeads for a while?
I always wondered if they rubbed away the inner linings...
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Old February 17th, 2015, 05:47 PM   #11
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I'm running the BT-45's on my pregen because I've had good performance on two other bikes with them. The previous owner of my bike swore by the Pirelli Sport Demons and I highly respect his opinion.
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I run the Diablos and love them. Night and day compared to the stock, crappy, dangerous, "who the hell test rode them and thought they should be a stock application', follows every groove in the road, almost died five times dunlop tires. I know they're speed rated at 93 but I weigh 135lbs and my speedo clocks 115mph and babies grip grip grip! And they love to slalom, you point, they go! My 2 cents.
I have not tried any other tire though.
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I run the Diablos and love them. Night and day compared to the stock, crappy, dangerous, "who the hell test rode them and thought they should be a stock application', follows every groove in the road, almost died five times dunlop tires. I know they're speed rated at 93 but I weigh 135lbs and my speedo clocks 115mph and babies grip grip grip! And they love to slalom, you point, they go! My 2 cents.
I have not tried any other tire though.
The Diablo scooter tires?
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They're branded scooter tires but they're stock applications for the burgman 650..
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I actually did the white lettering on the Pirelli and Diablo but left the scooter part out haha. Unfortunately, the white touch-up paint I used didn't last and it looks a lil lame now.
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How long has the diablo scooter lasted you guys on the rear? I burned through my mt75 in less than 2000 miles.....
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How long has the diablo scooter lasted you guys on the rear? I burned through my mt75 in less than 2000 miles.....
Less than 2000miles..wow, that seems really low.

My Diablos have 2400miles and counting (see pic of rear, taken today). That includes at least 100miles with a passenger. All on chewed up NYC roads.

Our Ninjas have a curb weight of 374.8lbs. Compare that to a burgman 650 which varies from year to year between 592-612lbs. More weight = More wear.
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Sport Demon

I had 5,400 miles in my rear Sport Demon when I removed it to install the 17" wheels. It is down to the wear bars in the middle.
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I'm not exactly very easy on tires....almost out of tread on the center of my mt75. It flats spotted fairly quickly and I don't really ride much highway. Mostly backroads and such. I might try another tire something a little harder to try and get some more miles out of it. I think the diablos would be my choice tire for that.
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Thanks for all the input, I think for my style or riding i'm going to go with the kenda K671's. Seem to be the most bang for my buck.
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Thanks for all the input, I think for my style or riding i'm going to go with the kenda K671's. Seem to be the most bang for my buck.
good call, and let us know how you like them.
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Flaw'da

There is only one curve in Flaw'da. On Sundays, 22,746 sportbike riders have to take turns on it, and it is 421 miles from my house, so the center sees a little more wear than the edges.
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There is only one curve in Flaw'da. On Sundays, 22,746 sportbike riders have to take turns on it, and it is 421 miles from my house, so the center sees a little more wear than the edges.


is it where the thin flat across-ways part turns and goes down into the long dangly part?

yeah i've got the same problem, if daily driving 20 miles each way to work rain or shine on superslab makes me a 'chicken'... especially when that comes from someone who only takes their bike out on country roads on sunday morning when it is dry and between 65 and 75 degrees outside.

the best is buying race take-offs that are coned. its like an inverse chicken strip, and recycling! yet another good reason to swap to 17" rims.
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Hey this cabin fever has really set in on me, hence this next question?

Okay we all know that the similarities of the PreGen Vs EX500, so my question is would the rims from a 2nd Gen EX500 which are 17" bolt on to the PreGen?
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yeah thats what i'm thinking, the ex500's are real close and parts are plentiful and cheap
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Hey this cabin fever has really set in on me, hence this next question?

Okay we all know that the similarities of the PreGen Vs EX500, so my question is would the rims from a 2nd Gen EX500 which are 17" bolt on to the PreGen?
https://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=137218

You'd have to swap the triples/forks..

I think it'd be better to swap in New-Gen 17's front and rear
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I've been doing some research, and its looking good, so far not only does the 2nd Gen EX500(94&up) use a lot of the same parts in the wheel dept with the PreGen, but strangely enough it also shares a lot with the new gens as well.
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If this thread is not dead yet, I need some new tires.
I do not ride aggressive, price is not a problem, I would like high quality and something that lasts looooooooong. What do you recommend?
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Do they have them for both back and front? And the concept of "sticky" I know it's important that tires are sticky but since I do not ride aggressive, will a "not as sticky" tire be fine? I'm more interested in tires that last.
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And the concept of "sticky" I know it's important that tires are sticky but since I do not ride aggressive, will a "not as sticky" tire be fine? I'm more interested in tires that last.
PS is the longest lasting tire for our bikes. I am a commuter I also only care about longevity.
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PS is the longest lasting tire for our bikes. I am a commuter I also only care about longevity.
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Diablo Scooters seem to be the most modern tire available for the pregens, with good performance and longevity.
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Old April 11th, 2015, 04:44 PM   #38
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I'm gonna buy tires for my pregen. I saw in another post of yours something about dyna beads.

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Old April 11th, 2015, 04:53 PM   #39
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@Ninja Rob,

They are simple to install when changing tires, 1 oz in the front tire, 2oz in rear and your all set for the life of the tires.

I've been running them for several years now, and no unusual wearing, due to lack of balancing, cupping etc.....

They are proven in everything from semi trucks, all the way done to mopeds. Can't argue with the laws of physics.

Just check out the above links, YouTube etc.... Also @LittleRedNinjette runs beads too.

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Old April 11th, 2015, 05:54 PM   #40
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If you have longer legs raise the front fender and go with the Dunlop GT tires. I can run nearly zero chicken strips in rain or shine at any speed. They are a great tire.
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