BT45 or Diablo rosso II?

[DaBlue1]

American Motorcycle Tire has very good competitive prices along with free shipping. Check 'em out.
http://www.americanmototire.com/catalog/

[himynameisjoe]

[mania]

Originally Posted by tubarney

what jiggles said ^. Rosso's aren't cheap when you consider how long they last. I doubt mine will last 6000 miles.

Of course cheap is relative.
If the one guy likes to go straight all the time & the other likes fast tight twisties in the mountains the Rosso's are super cheap.

Because a lesser grippy tire could cost you $$$$$
after tossing the bike due to that.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by mania

Of course cheap is relative.
If the one guy likes to go straight all the time & the other likes fast tight twisties in the mountains the Rosso's are super cheap.

Because a lesser grippy tire could cost you $$$$$
after tossing the bike due to that.

IRC tires are more than capable for anything on the street, there's even one guy on this board who ran them at the track. Anything stickier than an IRC is just gravy and no, it won't prevent a crash from happening

[Graugaard]

thanks guys and yea bt45 would be best since i do 12000miles a year and changing 3 times a year is pretty much.

[mania]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

IRC tires are more than capable for anything on the street, there's even one guy on this board who ran them at the track. Anything stickier than an IRC is just gravy and no, it won't prevent a crash from happening

Yeah sorry but..... NO..... that is your opinion
I have mine based on decades of riding & racing but thanks

One guy here runs them at the track OMG that cinches it eh?

[tubarney]

Originally Posted by mania

Yeah sorry but..... NO..... that is your opinion
I have mine based on decades of riding & racing but thanks

One guy here runs them at the track OMG that cinches it eh?

I have to agree with jiggles on this one. As soon as you start doing things on the street that the IRC can't you are going to get yourself into trouble. Hitting even the smallest dip or bump in the road at steep lean angle and you will know about it, no matter what tires you put on the bike.

[mania]

Originally Posted by tubarney

I have to agree with jiggles on this one. As soon as you start doing things on the street that the IRC can't you are going to get yourself into trouble. Hitting even the smallest dip or bump in the road at steep lean angle and you will know about it, no matter what tires you put on the bike.

While I agree the street is not a track I do live in another country that has no tracks in this part but beautiful multi lane hills with 180 degree turns. Little to no traffic.
I can say without a doubt the Rosso's perform at a much higher level than the IRC's. Not just in cornering but overall ride, initial tip in, braking etc.

There is a big difference in a supple casing versus one built to last thousands more miles.
There is a place for both or the tire companies with decades of experience would never develop, market & sell them.
The Rosso's are not their pure race tire. Same with other brands that offer better than stock high mileage capable tires.

Yes folks should be careful etc.
Also to each their own. Ride what they like is the main thing.

[mfresh]

Originally Posted by DaBlue1

American Motorcycle Tire has very good competitive prices along with free shipping. Check 'em out.
http://www.americanmototire.com/catalog/

And bookmarked!

That's the cheapest I've seen the Diablo Rosso II's anywhere with free shipping.

Thanks for the heads up dude. Will be sure to check them out in the future.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by mania

Yeah sorry but..... NO..... that is your opinion
I have mine based on decades of riding & racing but thanks

One guy here runs them at the track OMG that cinches it eh?

Uh huh, okay, tell me what you do on the street that the IRC aren't capable of

[himynameisjoe]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

Uh huh, okay, tell me what you do on the street that the IRC aren't capable of

He's probably one of those riders we see in all of those Mulholland crash vids haha

[Alienjoe]

Sorry to thread jack but are the Sport Demon tires not even a thought to you guys? I bought my two-fiddy with new ones installed so I have nothing to compare the sport demons to.

[himynameisjoe]

Originally Posted by Alienjoe

Sorry to thread jack but are the Sport Demon tires not even a thought to you guys? I bought my two-fiddy with new ones installed so I have nothing to compare the sport demons to.

I'm curious about this as well, as this is what I was hopping to buy when my tires **** the bed.

[Alex]

I love the sport demons. They are stickier than the BT-45's, but they wear faster as well.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by Alienjoe

Sorry to thread jack but are the Sport Demon tires not even a thought to you guys? I bought my two-fiddy with new ones installed so I have nothing to compare the sport demons to.

Sport demons are a good tire, I've heard they are good in the wet and very sticky, but they are a bias ply tire. With a sticky compound bias ply will wear quicker so it's usually a better idea to go with a radial like the diablos or a harder compound bias like the bt45

[Graugaard]

i used sport demons... no problem there, just wanna try something else so i can compare with something... and since i travel a lot, BT45 should live a few thousand miles longer...

but it was a little hard to warm up if you ask me...

doubt i can feel diffrence in the stickiness

[himynameisjoe]

So the general consensus is BT-45's if you're doing more commuting and the Rosso II's if you're more into hitting the twisties?

[mania]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

Uh huh, okay, tell me what you do on the street that the IRC aren't capable of

I posted the pic & stated the reason I changed.
I said the IRC could but was not comfortable doing so.

I am not saying it was not possible with the IRC's & will post pics below of the ones I removed with 600 miles on them.

They lack the suppleness/feedback of a good tire that lets
you know where you are on the edge.
They are also too stiff when it comes to hard braking on imperfect road or even under higher rpm engine braking.

That aside what is it with guys like you?
There is one on every forum & it seems by your
"Posts Too Much" & Flapping lips avatar you are the resident
dictator of others opinions. Give it a rest & consider the fact
that maybe others may have an opinion too.
They may even have a "qualified by experience" opinion
you have yet to earn

None say you have to agree with everything you read but you sure don't need to be picking apart things you obviously know little to nothing about.

[Alienjoe]

I see you have 5 posts and are not very familiar with Sean aka jiggles. Let me say this. Stick around a while and learn who is who before you fire out angry posts. Angry behavior leads to "time-outs" .

[himynameisjoe]

Jesus... you people are ridiculous. Thank god none of these people actually DO stick around. They're all so irritable. Is it you're first time on the internet? I mean honestly. Lashing back and being an ass to another member isn't exactly proving your point as to why Sean is an asshole, now is it?

[mania]

Originally Posted by Alienjoe

I see you have 5 posts and are not very familiar with Sean aka jiggles. Let me say this. Stick around a while and learn who is who before you fire out angry posts. Angry behavior leads to "time-outs" .

Yes I do not post often here & only recently signed up.
Also
Yes that is fine & I agree angry posts are not proper.

But, by the same token I do not need to learn about this person to have an opinion that is On Topic. The Topic of this thread is, I thought,
BT45 or Diablo Rosso II's ?

I have changed to the Rosso's & gave my reason for doing so.
I do not appreciate nor need this person telling me why the Stock Rubber is good enough nor insinuating the things he has insinuated.

Sorry & if a reaction to his type of posts are not allowed you may do as you deem fit.

Thanks

[Alex]

[himynameisjoe]

Alex... I love you. Best forum Mod/Admin/Owner ever!

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by mania

I posted the pic & stated the reason I changed.
I said the IRC could but was not comfortable doing so.

They lack the suppleness/feedback of a good tire that lets
you know where you are on the edge.
They are also too stiff when it comes to hard braking on imperfect road or even under higher rpm engine braking.

That aside what is it with guys like you?
There is one on every forum & it seems by your
"Posts Too Much" & Flapping lips avatar you are the resident
dictator of others opinions. Give it a rest & consider the fact
that maybe others may have an opinion too.
They may even have a "qualified by experience" opinion
you have yet to earn

None say you have to agree with everything you read but you sure don't need to be picking apart things you obviously know little to nothing about.

The point I responded to was when you said a grippier tire would prevent a crash. That's untrue, I called you out on it and you got mad. I totally agree that the IRC tires are crap but they are still capable of what 90% of people need them for on the street, the other 10% should be on the track if they ride that fast

[mania]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

The point I responded to was when you said a grippier tire would prevent a crash. That's untrue, I called you out on it and you got mad. I totally agree that the IRC tires are crap but they are still capable of what 90% of people need them for on the street, the other 10% should be on the track if they ride that fast

In the context that I presented it
ie: for a guy that likes fast tight twisties the Rosso will be the better tire for that purpose & will help prevent crashes. That is True & is why various aftermarket "street" tires are available to choose from other than the cost effective bias ply tires that Kawasaki puts on the bikes to keep costs down. Rosso's are not race tires. They are good tires with good qualities for street sportbike riding.

You say now the IRC's are crap yet capable of what 90% need?
To say you know what 90% of riders "need" is something a very young rider would say. See what you think after you have been riding for 20 more years.

Apologies to the OP for adding to the OT content.

[himynameisjoe]

You're rather annoying...

[rojoracing53]

thanks guys for fulfilling my entertainment quota for the day

[himynameisjoe]

Originally Posted by rojoracing53

thanks guys for fulfilling my entertainment quota for the day

Isn't it fantastic?

[Jiggles]

If you are riding on the street in such a way that IRCs aren't capable of your needs then you shouldn't be riding on the street at all. The IRCs are in no way unsafe and when you spout off like you are you make it sound like they are. A new rider will take your comments to heart and switch out their tires under the false presumption that it will make them safer. It won't.

Rossos are race tires for a 250.

[Jiggles]

Seriously can believe I'm being made to defend IRCs

[rojoracing53]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

If you are riding on the street in such a way that IRCs aren't capable of your needs then you shouldn't be riding on the street at all. The IRCs are in no way unsafe and when you spout off like you are you make it sound like they are. A new rider will take your comments to heart and switch out their tires under the false presumption that it will make them safer. It won't.

Rossos are race tires for a 250.

At the speeds that I like to ride the IRC's scare me but then again according to the "people of California" I don't belong on the street

[mania]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

If you are riding on the street in such a way that IRCs aren't capable of your needs then you shouldn't be riding on the street at all. The IRCs are in no way unsafe and when you spout off like you are you make it sound like they are. A new rider will take your comments to heart and switch out their tires under the false presumption that it will make them safer. It won't.

Rossos are race tires for a 250.

I never said they are not capable I said there are better tires for different situations.
New riders will take my comments for what they are...my opinion.
There is nothing more dangerous than a new rider who thinks he knows it all
& stops learning but instead goes online as some type of know it all.

You better let Pirelli know their wrong about the Rosso if your so sure it is a race tire.

Here is what they call it...


The ultimate sport tyre for absolute road use.

Perhaps you are thinking of their Corsa, Diablo Wet, Diablo Rain or their Super Corsa
all race tires.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by rojoracing53

At the speeds that I like to ride the IRC's scare me but then again according to the "people of California" I don't belong on the street

Indeed mr takes a friends bike to 120mph on a crappy bumpy road in pitch black darkness with a tinted visor.

[rojoracing53]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

Indeed mr takes a friends bike to 120mph on a crappy bumpy road in pitch black darkness with a tinted visor.

And just think I only almost crashed it like three times

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by mania

I never said they are not capable I said there are better tires for different situations.
New riders will take my comments for what they are...my opinion.
There is nothing more dangerous than a new rider who thinks he knows it all
& stops learning but instead goes online as some type of know it all.

You better let Pirelli know their wrong about the Rosso if your so sure it is a race tire.

Here is what they call it...


The ultimate sport tyre for absolute road use.

Perhaps you are thinking of their Corsa, Diablo Wet, Diablo Rain or their Super Corsa
all race tires.

Here's what I consider a race tire, the tire of choice for a racer. If you go to a 250 race, anyone who doesn't have a slick has rosso's. Except jason, who has ginormous chicken strips.

[mania]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

Here's what I consider a race tire, the tire of choice for a racer. If you go to a 250 race, anyone who doesn't have a slick has rosso's. Except jason, who has ginormous chicken strips.

I am not sure why the racers in your area choose Rosso's
They would be much better served on Corsa's
The Rosso heats up too fast for track use & vice versa the Corsa's heat too slow for road use.

Even the sport Rider link below this topic states such...

To its credit though, the Diablo Rosso II was not designed to be pushed for quick lap times on the track. It was designed to offer a stable feel and improved mileage.

To each their own & again I would just like to say I offered my opinion only.

[Jiggles]

The corsa doesn't fit the rear of the ninjette. Some racers do use corsa front and rosso rear

[mania]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

The corsa doesn't fit the rear of the ninjette. Some racers do use corsa front and rosso rear

Thanks
That is true about the straight Corsa

I should have said Super Corsa as the 250 racers do like the SC in the
150/120 setup

[Jiggles]

I meant super corsa, some do a 110 SC and 140 DR2. I was going to run that but it's hard to find the SC at a decent price, and why bother, it's not like I'm gna exceed the capabilities of the rosso

[mania]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

I meant super corsa, some do a 110 SC and 140 DR2. I was going to run that but it's hard to find the SC at a decent price, and why bother, it's not like I'm gna exceed the capabilities of the rosso

I did not think the SC came in a 110/17

But I agree if one is not 100% at the track the SC
is of questionable street use & probably shorter lifespan.
They will do not better on the street than the Rosso.