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Old January 4th, 2012, 09:59 PM   #1
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415 chain conversion kit

Hi guys,

It's cheeks here, letting you all know that I talked to Mark from

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He's interested in making some more sprockets for the 415 chain conversion kit. Total weight savings was around 3lbs. This is rotational mass so it's effect is multiplied. I've seen it in action and it is great. Ask rexbo for details, it's the only thing keeping me from passing him j/k.

If anyone is interested in getting this post up here!!!
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Old January 4th, 2012, 10:32 PM   #2
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Sup, Cheeks. So, you finally decided to get in on this huh? LOL

Are you saying Mark won't sell you one unless there's a gang of peeps interested in it?

Also remember Steve & I got our @sses handed by Jason & Tony who weren't running these...or were they? I thought they weren't and if they weren't how impressive is that.
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Old January 5th, 2012, 04:31 AM   #3
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Old January 5th, 2012, 11:48 AM   #4
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Sup, Cheeks. So, you finally decided to get in on this huh? LOL

Are you saying Mark won't sell you one unless there's a gang of peeps interested in it?

Also remember Steve & I got our @sses handed by Jason & Tony who weren't running these...or were they? I thought they weren't and if they weren't how impressive is that.
wut up, ya i'm finally on here again. Mark said he'd do it, just wants to know if anyone else would be interested so he can make em all at once.

Jason was running a chain conversion. Tony did not. They were definitely quick!!! That was some impressive riding on a 250. I've got video of the second race that you missed, Ill post up at some point.
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Old January 5th, 2012, 12:56 PM   #5
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Ninja 415GP Kits ORDER NOW OR FOREVER BE SECOND PLACE!

Hello Everyone!

I placed an order for 10 sets today and the estimated time of delivery to me is 3-4 weeks (these should ship faster than last time) so if you are interested in getting the Ninja 415GP Kit please place an order at Aftermarket Cycles. You have two options for paying either credit card or via PayPal. **With credit card you will not be charged until the product ships, PayPal is transferred right away...your choice.

http://www.aftermarketcycles.com/str...ocket-set.html

These will be 18T Front and 57T Rear with 415 Tsubaki SHT Hi-Performance Racing Chain (optional) some have bought 2 DID 415 ER Race Chains and made one chain but the Tsubaki is higher tensile strength. We do the same thing here but if we do it you don't need to!

We are offering 55,56,57,58,59 Tooth Rears if you have the need due to your track layouts.

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Old January 9th, 2012, 12:03 AM   #7
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Understood! Sorry about that just wanted to keep everyone in the loop as the 415 kit are becoming a very desired product.

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Old January 9th, 2012, 01:37 PM   #8
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Yo Mark,
Great to hear your getting these teeth cut.
I definitely want a full set.
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Old January 13th, 2012, 07:51 PM   #9
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Does an 18t actually fit? I've got a 15/45 on there now. Looks like an 18T front will be tight?

Also I guess we are needing more bottom end with the gearing?

45 46 47 48
15 3.00 3.07 3.13 3.20

56.00 57.00 58.00 59.00
18 3.11 3.17 3.22 3.28

At your recommended sizes(18/57) we won't have as much top end. barely cracks 95 now...might be better out of corners though.
New to Road Racing so really asking...thanks. In MX I would have gone for a similar ratio but smaller sprockets to save additional weight. Lighter sprockets, less links of a chain, etc...
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Old January 14th, 2012, 11:47 AM   #10
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So over the stock setup the advantage lower rotational weight. How big of a difference will a 3pm difference make on the street?
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Old January 14th, 2012, 05:40 PM   #11
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So over the stock setup the advantage lower rotational weight. How big of a difference will a 3pm difference make on the street?
I doubt that it is 3lbs of loss. My guess is more like 1.5lbs maybe 2lbs at most. Still, it will make a difference. I have done many 630 to 530 and 530 to 520 conversions along with aluminum rear sprockets and they have all been at least 1lb or more lost.

I ordered mine and will weigh them before and after so you all will have an exact difference.

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Old January 14th, 2012, 07:22 PM   #12
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Yes, 18T will fit - the teeth are smaller on a 415 chain (as compared to a 520).

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Old January 14th, 2012, 10:19 PM   #13
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I am assuming the difference is in acceleration. Am I right?
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Old January 15th, 2012, 09:36 AM   #14
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I am assuming the difference is in acceleration. Am I right?
If it is I didn't feel it.

It's more about weight than anything else. Gearing, if you calculate it, is the same as stock.
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Old January 15th, 2012, 11:27 AM   #15
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I think some of the manufacturers of the gears are claculating the ratio using the diameter of the gear and not the # of teeth.

agree with nemesis, it's all about weight savings. the difference is notable. If you spin the rear wheel with the 520 chain, you will notice that it stops shortly after that. if you spin the wheel with the 415 chain, it just goes round and round and round.
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I think some of the manufacturers of the gears are claculating the ratio using the diameter of the gear and not the # of teeth.
Wouldn't that give you the same result as comparing teeth but take a lot more work and time? I've never heard of people comparing the diameter of sprockets; just the teeth.

The final drive ratio is just that; a ratio of the drive shaft sprocket to the rear wheel sprocket that tells you how often the engine will be turning for every revolution of the rear wheel. Seeing as the teeth are all going to be a set distance apart since the chain links are all a set size, it would be easier to just figure out the final drive ratio by comparing the numbers of teeth on each sprocket. In this case, 1 tooth is 1 unit. The diameter doesn't matter because the number of teeth determines the circumference of the sprocket, which is really what matters since the sprockets won't have the same angular velocity, but will have the same radial velocity.

for example, stock gearing is 14/45.
45 / 14 = 3.21
57 / 18 = 3.16 note how similar those two are.

That was a ton easier than needing to find the diameters of each sprocket.
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Old January 16th, 2012, 11:28 AM   #17
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i totally agree and the either way the calculations are similar. I don't know why some people do it that way. But the people as sprocket specialist mentioned that that's how they measured the ratio. :/
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Wouldn't that give you the same result as comparing teeth but take a lot more work and time? I've never heard of people comparing the diameter of sprockets; just the teeth.

The final drive ratio is just that; a ratio of the drive shaft sprocket to the rear wheel sprocket that tells you how often the engine will be turning for every revolution of the rear wheel. Seeing as the teeth are all going to be a set distance apart since the chain links are all a set size, it would be easier to just figure out the final drive ratio by comparing the numbers of teeth on each sprocket. In this case, 1 tooth is 1 unit. The diameter doesn't matter because the number of teeth determines the circumference of the sprocket, which is really what matters since the sprockets won't have the same angular velocity, but will have the same radial velocity.

for example, stock gearing is 14/45.
45 / 14 = 3.21
57 / 18 = 3.16 note how similar those two are.

That was a ton easier than needing to find the diameters of each sprocket.
An easier way to determine this would be to believe the poster below:

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It's more about weight than anything else. Gearing, if you calculate it, is the same as stock.

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Old January 24th, 2012, 07:52 AM   #19
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So far we have 5 bikes on the grid running the 415 chain upgrade. Another way to make up HP is by dropping weight. In other words, if your HP is at say 27 and ours is at 30 losing weight on the bike will even the odds. And this is the perfect way to do it.

I'm thinking of buying another set for my other 250 and asked Mark ETA and he said I can pre-order them and they should be done in 2-3 weeks.
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good cal nemesis, having some choice on # of teeth for the rear could help out big time.

I also heard that the sprockets are gonna be ready in 2 weeks, plus they got a single piece D.I.D. 415 ER chain!!! So no more buying 2 chains to make one longer one.

Also there are only 5 of these available to order, so all you track rats or racers, step your game up. The 520 chain is totally overdesigned for the 250. Maybe it's because if you rearrange the letters in 250 you get 520.

I preordered mine from here:

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Awesome. Can't wait. I've got a ton of parts coming. Big project ahead of me but got to get everything ready for race season which is just around the corner
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Master link 415sht rivet

Would anybody know whether this Tsubaki rivet master link could be used on DID 415 chain? In other words, is size the only consideration or might there be other manufacturing differences between Tsubaki and DID?


MASTER LINK 415SHT RIVET
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Are you trying to make your chain longer?

I have some additional Tsubaki Master links if you need more I also have some regular links I could send you.

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I am putting together another round of kits so if you know anyone interested let them know.

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Are you trying to make your chain longer?

I have some additional Tsubaki Master links if you need more I also have some regular links I could send you.

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Hi Mark, no, I am not trying to make the chain longer I just want to replace the clip-type master link with a rivet-type master link so I don't have to deal with saftey wiring the clip-type master. Do you see any issues with using a Tsubaki master link on a DID chain?

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I got a DID ER gold chain with mine but i think it has 140 link... am i good to go with this?
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If you ordered the latest kits then you will receive a 134 link chain which is perfect for your setup. We will have 15 more kits in the next 2 weeks.

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The DID chain that came with mine also has 140 links, not 134. I haven't installed it yet, does the 140 work?
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so,can you explain to a noob like me what are the advantages for doing a shorter chain? weight saving?
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It's not shorter, it's lighter. The idea is that less rotating weight accelerates more quickly with the same torque applied.
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