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Old September 13th, 2012, 05:03 PM   #1
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Honda CB500

Looks likes Honda is set to release a doubled up version of its CBR250R. Styling should more closely resemble a CBR rather than the VFR like the 250. This particular displacement may only be offered, however, in places such as Europe or the UK where new riders are limited to a certain displacement or hp.

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Old September 13th, 2012, 05:09 PM   #2
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I sort of want a CBR 250R but I know the second I buy it, they're going to release a new one that doesn't look like a VFR.
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Old September 13th, 2012, 05:11 PM   #3
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If Honda releases a CBR500 with those looks in the USA, they'll have guaranteed me and plenty of others as future Honda sport bike owners.
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Old September 13th, 2012, 05:13 PM   #4
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Old September 13th, 2012, 05:22 PM   #5
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I personally love the way the CBR 600RRs look, that's my preferred styling for a supersport. While a 500 would probably win me over for my next bike, if the fairings/styling look like they do in the pics, I definitely won't get one. It looks like a retard hybrid between the 250 and the naked look.
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Old September 13th, 2012, 05:26 PM   #6
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Personally I'm hoping the market for bigger bikes with really really crappy suspension and brakes isn't very big. Do you really want a 250 suspension and brake set up on a bike with double the displacement? Personally I think they should make a 250 type bike with better brakes and fully adjustable suspension, so newbs actually understand and get exposed to adjusting suspension travel to suit weight and rider style.
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Old September 13th, 2012, 05:34 PM   #7
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That would pull me in.
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Old September 13th, 2012, 07:07 PM   #8
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I would love a 500cc bike. But I talked to my Honda dealer yesterday and he doesn't seem to know anything about a 500cc CBR being produced but said if so, don't expect it to be released until 2014. But who knows...
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Old September 14th, 2012, 03:27 AM   #9
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dealers don't tend to know much, the interwebs, as long as you can sift through the garbage, generally has info quicker than dealers. By the time they hear official word, we've all known for weeks if not months.

I will keep the ninjette until someone offers a bike that intrigues me enough. This 500 would do it. The ninja 300 came close, but fell a bit short. I want a high strung, supersport like 400cc bike. doesn't have to be i4, a twin would be fine as long as it's as high strung as the ninjette. even considering going with an older bike and getting a "new age" fairing kit.
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Some updated rumours and possible specs:

Rumours: Honda’s CBR500 will be European Junior Cup’s spec bike

"...the new Honda will have a 470cc liquid-cooled, parallel twin motor, six-speed transmission, 46.9 bhp, 30 lb/ft of torque, a 31-inch seat height and a 105 mph top speed. Wet weight is supposed to be 430 lbs...

They say the machine will run on a 120/70-17 tire in front and a 160-60-17 unit in rear."
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With that much more hp, I'm wondering why the top speed seems a little low. With under 40 hp at the crank, I took the 300 to 102 mph on the GPS without maxing it out; it easily has 105 - 107 mph stock with a me-sized rider on it, and probably a few more with a mini-sized rider on it. With 46 claimed hp for this Honda, I'd expect it would be much closer to 115+ mph top end.
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The first pic looked pretty sexy to me but the second with the naked looked didn't really appeal to me so I guess we'll just have to see what they go with. I personally would probably just keep my ninja until I was ready and then get a CBR600rr. The article actually got my attention when it said the 600rr was due for a style update soon. Didn't know anything about that so I'm definitely interested in seeing what they change...
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Top speed does seem a bit low but didn't the Ninja 500 have 59 bhp and topped out at 110 mph?
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If Honda brought back the styling of the 1985 Interceptor V Four 500 they would have a real winner.

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Top speed seems disappointing. Same with the power numbers. Well see what they actually release.
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i think they are doing a full faring cb400

still being lams approved

http://motorcycles.honda.com.au/Naked/CB400_ABS
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Actually, looks like those figures are for a detuned 500 that will meet EU learner bike standards. Redline on cbr250.org (who apparently took the photos) said it should be in line with the ER-6, potentially putting it right in my crosshairs.
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With that much more hp, I'm wondering why the top speed seems a little low. With under 40 hp at the crank, I took the 300 to 102 mph on the GPS without maxing it out; it easily has 105 - 107 mph stock with a me-sized rider on it, and probably a few more with a mini-sized rider on it. With 46 claimed hp for this Honda, I'd expect it would be much closer to 115+ mph top end.
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(* all speeds mentioned are in meters per hour, and on a closed course to boot)
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Old October 12th, 2012, 04:23 PM   #20
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Top speed seems disappointing. Same with the power numbers. Well see what they actually release.
The power numbers will fall right max allowed by the license laws in Europe, no question about that. As far as top speed that may be more a question of the proposed gearing than anything else. Very interesting none the less.
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The power numbers are definitely interesting. I'm still thinking that we could probably get the 300 to 40hp or more at the wheel with a full race exhaust and a good tune, and with the small bike feel. Honda would have to do something really special with this bike to make me think seriously about it.
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With that much more hp, I'm wondering why the top speed seems a little low. With under 40 hp at the crank, I took the 300 to 102 mph on the GPS without maxing it out; it easily has 105 - 107 mph stock with a me-sized rider on it, and probably a few more with a mini-sized rider on it. With 46 claimed hp for this Honda, I'd expect it would be much closer to 115+ mph top end.
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Sounds good on paper. My interest is piqued, but I'll wait and see what comes of it.
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My old GS500 would hit 120 no problem. Weird how this one states just over 100. Hmmm...maybe it is a gearing thing. Maybe they want tighter gearing to help the acceleration times, making it feel faster than it really is.
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Perhaps, but gearing it like that would mean the engine is revving higher than optimal at normal highway speeds, and much of the attraction to these lower capacity bikes is fuel economy.
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Anyone expecting this bike to be a high revving exciting screamer is going to be disappointed I think. Given Honda's direction with recent bikes (NC700X, CBR250R, etc.) this will be a budget, economical "rational" bike with easy road manners and a low red line optimized for economy and torque over outright HP.

The totem pole will be CBR250R if you want economy and lowest entry price, Ninja 300 if you want a more expensive high revving screamer, CBR500 if you want an even more expensive bike with a bit more power and usable torque for everyday riding, and the Ninja 650 if you want more of everything.
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A ninja 300 is a high revving screamer? Dude, pre-gen's rev to over 14k
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Some updated rumours and possible specs:

Rumours: Honda’s CBR500 will be European Junior Cup’s spec bike

"...the new Honda will have a 470cc liquid-cooled, parallel twin motor, six-speed transmission, 46.9 bhp, 30 lb/ft of torque, a 31-inch seat height and a 105 mph top speed. Wet weight is supposed to be 430 lbs...

They say the machine will run on a 120/70-17 tire in front and a 160-60-17 unit in rear."
I'd been saying for a long time that there was a new 400 with 47bhp coming out... seems I've been 100cc off both Kawi & Honda's attempts

But bang on for the HP

The honda will probably be officially announced at Birmingham, I'll be there & should have my camera with me
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With all this talk about these bikes doing the ton I want to know where you would be able to achieve this (and why). Most higway speed limits are 70MPH. I think the max is 85MPH in Texas. So where can you ever go that fast?
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With all this talk about these bikes doing the ton I want to know where you would be able to achieve this (and why). Most higway speed limits are 70MPH. I think the max is 85MPH in Texas. So where can you ever go that fast?
People obey speed limits

Motorway speed limit here is 70mph & it's flagrantly disregarded. I've done the ninja's max speed (about the ton) all the way across the country & have been overtaken at that pace on a number of occasions.

Back home speed limit is 120kph (~77mph) I've taken a mate's Gixxer to 140mph on a tolled motorway, brilliant road, smooth as a racetrack, and as it was tolled I only saw 2 other vehicles on it.

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Top speed seems disappointing. Same with the power numbers. Well see what they actually release.
EU Fourth Reich Safety Nazis have decided on a long winded approach to get rid of bikes, part of it is that they are licencing new machines at 3 stages,A1 125cc <11bhp (already in), A2 395-599cc <47bhp & A >650cc with unlimited power. (it can take up to 7 years to get a full A under the new system)

The 500 sits right at the top of the A2 band

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Honestly, in Texas, the 250 is really buzzy at highway speeds. At 60mph it is bearable, above that, it is really buzzy.

I'd said it before, I'll say it again, 400's are the PERFECT size for a balance of fuel economy and HP.

I'd own a 400cc single. A twin with a long stroke to bring out the torque would be awesome as well.
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I just added a cb-1 to the garage (4 cylinder inline 4 with gear driven cams) of course it's a 1990 bike but it makes almost double the horsepower of the Ninja and the whine of the gears sounds awesome....my naked vfr400...
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Well I've been following this one closely... Someone snapped a few pictures from obviously what was a photo shoot, probably for the official release.

Looks awesome. I'm very likely to buy one, but it's going to depend on the specs of the US version. Rumor has it, those specs we were looking at were so perfectly fit for the UK regulations because it's much more powerful, but it was regulated down for UK standards.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Ne...0s-spiedagain/

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Looks like they're going to make an "adventure" style bike out of this chassis too.
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Hmm, ditch the handles on the back, and it would look good. Worth a look when/if it comes to the US.
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I doubt it will ever see the states.....no reason for honda to make competition for their own 600cc bike. That thing is probably only going to see the UK and India.

Unless they are dumping the 600RR....which is HIGHLY unlikely.
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It said it was expected to make 47 hp to comply with the new EU laws, and it has standard forks and a monoshock, just like the other non-ss bikes. If they brought it stateside, wouldn't it compete with the CBR250, not the CBR600RR? a 100+ hp SS and a 47 hp twin sport bike are very different animals.

I have no idea what in the world they're thinking though. I'm just a college kid, so everything I say is pure spit-balling. I'll just sit and wait for things to unfold, and drool over cool new bikes when they come out
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I doubt it will ever see the states.....no reason for honda to make competition for their own 600cc bike. That thing is probably only going to see the UK and India.

Unless they are dumping the 600RR....which is HIGHLY unlikely.
If it comes to Inda, it's definitely not going to be my second bike... Lol or won't it? Only time will tell... Currently I'm eyeing an ancient 2000 model cbr 919rr... Somehow I'm in love with it's ugliness... Lol

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a bike made in 2000 is old? holy crap that's what I get for being born at the end of one millennium and growing through the next. 2000 doesn't seem so long ago, but then it's almost 13 years now...

My bike is a '99. I bet you think she's ugly as well?
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a bike made in 2000 is old? holy crap that's what I get for being born at the end of one millennium and growing through the next. 2000 doesn't seem so long ago, but then it's almost 13 years now...

My bike is a '99. I bet you think she's ugly as well?
Only if you take it into perspective . A bike made in 2000 is DEFINITELY a hell of a lot older than my 2011 Ninjette. And as they say, beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder... I'm more into the new angular sleek looking bikes than the older boxy looking ones... But ever since I laid eyes on this one, I've been obsessing over it... lol I ran into a 1997 model the other day, but that was quiet a badly maintained one, so I guess I didn't dig it too much, but this one looks sweet... He's asking for 7500$ at today's exchange rate, and that's a RIP even in India, where a new one(CBR 1000rr) would cost Slightly over $30,000/- I'll offer him 3k and see if he bites... lol
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I doubt it will ever see the states.....no reason for honda to make competition for their own 600cc bike. That thing is probably only going to see the UK and India.

Unless they are dumping the 600RR....which is HIGHLY unlikely.
This is not competition for the 600rr. This is a sport, not super sport. Kawasaki has the ninja 650 and the zx-6R. Yamaha has an sv650 and the r6. This is supposed to be a cheaper alternative to the ninja 650r and SV650.
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