Ivan's Jet Kit...THE HOT TICKET!!!

tim61 · April 14th, 2011, 03:14 PM

Hi all!

I wanted to pass on what I feel is the single best improvement you can make to your 08 and newer Ninjette....Ivan's Jet Kit.

I have had a prototype of his kit in my hands since early winter, but weather precluded me from doing any real testing until now. And the results are in!

Here in Seattle we have started 2 Ninjette racing classes in the Washington Motorcycle Road Racing Association (WMRRA) for the 2011 season. My 2008 Ninja racer is a salvage title bike with about 3,000 miles. The engine and carbs are bone stock, except for the jet kit and snorkle removal, and a block off plate for the valve cover emissions valve. Our rules require the engine to remain stock in every way, and the only mods allowed to the carbs are needles, jets, and removale of the snorkle. And we allow pipes. LeoVince is paying contingency, so many racers, including myself are running the LeoVince SBK system.

I now have 2 track days and 2 races on the set-up. Probably a total of 70 or 80 laps of Pacific Raceway. And the results are impressive.

I can ride around any bike in our group. Currently that means 18 other bikes. Everything from pre-gen to 2011 models. These bikes were all running a mix of Dynojet, Factory pro, and modified stock needles/jets. The power difference was substantial, and very obvious. In fact, I will readily admit that the 1st place finishes I scored in both races came against a rider who was cornering faster than I was. He was making about 100 feet on me every lap (2.25 miles), and I could make up that 100' in less than a quarter mile of our front straight. In essence, it was Ivan's jet kit that won those races, not my riding prowess (or lack there of).

I spoke with Ivan today, and he said he could have a run of those jet kits ready in about 30 days. I would highly recommend getting on that list ASAP, or you may be left behind (literally)!

TimO
WMRRA #220

want1sobad · April 14th, 2011, 03:21 PM

details on the kit?

Alex · April 14th, 2011, 03:30 PM

Hi Tim -

There will undoubtedly be alot of interest in this kit here. Any of the tech discussion of the kit, from installation to performance to tweaks to whatever can stay right here in this tech forum. But when it gets to him actually selling 'em or advertising them on this site, that needs to be in a separate thread in the Marketplace area. Congrats on the 1st place finishes!

tim61 · April 14th, 2011, 03:31 PM

Typical stuff...a set of needles, clips, a couple of shims, jets, and a nice compliment of high quality vacuum plugs to block off stuff you don't need. Oh, and a set of Ivan's decals so everyone will know what just spanked them!

TimO

tim61 · April 14th, 2011, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex

Hi Tim -

There will undoubtedly be alot of interest in this kit here. Any of the tech discussion of the kit, from installation to performance to tweaks to whatever can stay right here in this tech forum. But when it gets to him actually selling 'em or advertising them on this site, that needs to be in a separate thread in the Marketplace area. Congrats on the 1st place finishes!

No problem. I have no affiliation other than I was lucky enough to test the prototype, and was able reap the rewards. I like to steer folks in the right direction when it comes to aftermarket stuff because it can get really spendy weeding through all the junk out there to find the treasures!

TimO

HKr1 · April 14th, 2011, 03:52 PM

Ivan had some pretty kick ass jet kits in the past. Be interesting to see what he came up with.

Nemesis · April 14th, 2011, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HKr1

Ivan had some pretty kick ass jet kits in the past. Be interesting to see what he came up with.

I've heard that too. And know a couple other people who run them and had good & bad results.

But I'm curious too. Let's see some dyno numbers (not from Ivan) but from OP. Go get your bike dyno'd.

sarapacman99 · April 14th, 2011, 03:57 PM

How do we get hold of him?

tim61 · April 14th, 2011, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemesis

I've heard that too. And know a couple other people who run them and had good & bad results.

But I'm curious too. Let's see some dyno numbers (not from Ivan) but from OP. Go get your bike dyno'd.

If you are racing on a dyno, go for it. But keep in mind that no 2 dyno's are the same, and there are so many variables, i.e. temperatre, barometric pressure, fuel, etc., etc., that you will be chasing those numbers forever. And this is even more pronounced with low HP engines like ours. I beat a bike that supposedly made 34HP. Leo Vince says my pipe makes 30.5. Who knows? Who cares? Bottom line is I will race my Ninja against any others. And so far, I haven't been bettered. Until I get out run at the track, I will stick with my butt dyno!!!

TimO

V2Neal · April 14th, 2011, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemesis

I've heard that too. And know a couple other people who run them and had good & bad results.

But I'm curious too. Let's see some dyno numbers (not from Ivan) but from OP. Go get your bike dyno'd.

Same here. I have a DynoJet kit installed, and was considering switching to a FactoryPro to try and eliminate a midrange dip I have. My tuner says it's due to needle shape.

Let's see a dyno and get a few more specifics like gearing, weight, etc. Something a little more 'Apples-to-Apples' if you will.

tim61 · April 14th, 2011, 04:36 PM

I weigh 170. The guy I beat is a little lighter, maybe 160? I am not sure what gearing he was running. I am running the equivelent of 1 tooth smaller in the rear with my DOT's, but they are also a lot larger in circumference than stock. With the rains, I run the equivelent of 3 teeth smaller, but they are smaller in circumference than stock.

tim61 · April 14th, 2011, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V2Neal

Same here. I have a DynoJet kit installed, and was considering switching to a FactoryPro to try and eliminate a midrange dip I have. My tuner says it's due to needle shape.

Your tuner is half right. It also has a lot to do with needle length.

tim61 · April 14th, 2011, 04:39 PM

I don't know any way to contact Ivan other than call. He is old school, and doesn't do e-mail.

HKr1 · April 14th, 2011, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarapacman99

How do we get hold of him?

http://www.ivansperformanceproducts.com/

Ivan's Rockland County Motorcycle
175 N. Route 9W - Unit #1
Congers, NY, 10920
Phone: 845-268-1212
Fax: 845-268-8291

Shop Hours:
Mon - Fri 10am-6pm
Sat 10am-2pm Eastern Time

wayanlam · April 14th, 2011, 08:55 PM

what main jet sizes did you get with the kit?

i looked at some of the images on his website for other jet kits, and only saw 1 set of main jets.

i wonder how its possible to "tune" different bike setups (different exhausts, different intake, and maybe engine mods) with just one size of main jets. cant all be done just with the needle right?

V2Neal · April 15th, 2011, 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tim61

I weigh 170. The guy I beat is a little lighter, maybe 160? I am not sure what gearing he was running. I am running the equivelent of 1 tooth smaller in the rear with my DOT's, but they are also a lot larger in circumference than stock. With the rains, I run the equivelent of 3 teeth smaller, but they are smaller in circumference than stock.

Cool, thanks!

tim61 · April 15th, 2011, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wayanlam

what main jet sizes did you get with the kit?

i looked at some of the images on his website for other jet kits, and only saw 1 set of main jets.

i wonder how its possible to "tune" different bike setups (different exhausts, different intake, and maybe engine mods) with just one size of main jets. cant all be done just with the needle right?

Ivans kit assumes you are running the stock airbox, either with the snorkle and 3 extra holes drilled in the side (not legal by our club rules), or without the snorkle (legal in our club), with a pipe. While I am certain all the different pipe manufacturers think their pipe is superior in power to others, in our experience on the track, they all make about the same power and require about the same jetting. Ivans kit assumes you have the stock mains (that is what I am running at sea level), so he included one size larger in case you are a tad lean. In my opinion, what you are paying for is an awesome set of needles that have been engineered to get the most out of our mini bikes.

Nemesis · April 21st, 2011, 10:05 AM

I know not all dynos are the same but they give you a general idea what your bike is producing but in all honesty dynojet, factory pro, ivans...wateva...it all comes down to the rider.

These are 250s for pete's sakes not SV650/600/1000cc bikes. Just get your numbers up to par and focus more on suspension/tires than anything else. Then ride your heart out.

ztrack157 · April 21st, 2011, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tim61

I can ride around any bike in our group. Currently that means 18 other bikes. Everything from pre-gen to 2011 models. These bikes were all running a mix of Dynojet, Factory pro, and modified stock needles/jets. The power difference was substantial, and very obvious. In fact, I will readily admit that the 1st place finishes I scored in both races came against a rider who was cornering faster than I was. He was making about 100 feet on me every lap (2.25 miles), and I could make up that 100' in less than a quarter mile of our front straight. In essence, it was Ivan's jet kit that won those races, not my riding prowess (or lack there of).

Sorry tim but i got a laugh about this. Adam had motor issues all weekend pretty much was running with crap compression in both cylinders. You probably would have got around him with any big brand jet kit just as easy IMHO :P

tim61 · April 21st, 2011, 12:14 PM

I would laugh too, except for the fact that there were 18 other bikes there besides Adam, and somehow I just can't believe all 18 had dead motors. I will also be willing to concede that my 415 chain conversion played a small part in my efforts, but I still think that most of it was how well the bike seemed to carburate.

But, I am not here to argue about horse power numbers, or who's bike is fast or anything. I just wanted to let everyone know I found something that works great for me. Whether or not you decide to go with it or not is entirly up to you, and I am not concerned one way or the other.

TimO

tim61 · April 21st, 2011, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ztrack157

Sorry tim but i got a laugh about this. Adam had motor issues all weekend pretty much was running with crap compression in both cylinders. You probably would have got around him with any big brand jet kit just as easy IMHO :P

Oh, sorry. I am a little slow to the game. I just figured out you sell your own jet kit. I think I understand your post now.

I am sure all the jet kits work pretty good, and I am certain that many have race wins with your jet kit as well.

Hope everyone is having as much fun with these mini-bikes as I am. What a hoot!!!

ztrack157 · April 21st, 2011, 01:46 PM

I could care less if I sold a jet kit. I was just laughing at your post. Ivan makes a great product as does mark at factory pro. I have nothing but respect for those guys.

I'm just laughing at the way you worded your posts that's all.

HKr1 · April 21st, 2011, 06:41 PM

Should have taken picture of the needles next to the stock ones.
I love looking at needles.....playing with them too

Like the old Qjet days. Fat ones, little ones, even ones with slots

Yeah, yeah, Iam going whacking

V2Neal · April 21st, 2011, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HKr1

Should have taken picture of the needles next to the stock ones.
I love looking at needles.....playing with them too

Like the old Qjet days. Fat ones, little ones, even ones with slots

Yeah, yeah, Iam going whacking

Oh no, not Quadra junks!

nick5446 · May 30th, 2013, 03:16 PM

Digging up an old post - hopefully some of y'all are still around!

I'm about to toss Ivan's kit in my bike in a few hours. I was glancing over his instructions and had some questions (I'd call him, but they're closed now).

- "Clip position = #4 with 3 washers on TOP of the needle (to take up the space of the stock needle)" - What does putting washers on top of the needle do? I've put them underneath to shim the needle before, but never on top.
- "For 1/2 step adjustments you may use 1 of the supplied washers under the clip of each needle, but always use a TOTAL of 3 washers!" - Clueless on what this means. He mentions going under the clip (shimming) now.

Any other tips would be appreciated.

alex.s · May 30th, 2013, 03:26 PM

i assume its so the needle doesn't flop around on the diaphragm

April 14th, 2011, 03:30 PM	#3
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April 14th, 2011, 03:57 PM	#8
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April 14th, 2011, 08:55 PM	#15
wayanlam ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Wayan Location: Bali - Indonesia Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2014 Z250 Posts: A lot.	what main jet sizes did you get with the kit? i looked at some of the images on his website for other jet kits, and only saw 1 set of main jets. i wonder how its possible to "tune" different bike setups (different exhausts, different intake, and maybe engine mods) with just one size of main jets. cant all be done just with the needle right? __________________________________________________ Kawasaki Z250, Bored up to 300cc with 12.8 CR, 41hp at wheel 27nm torque, Two bros full exhaust with DB killer Dynojet Power Commander V, KnN Open filter, intake and exhaust ported, Puig Windshield

May 30th, 2013, 03:26 PM	#26
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	i assume its so the needle doesn't flop around on the diaphragm __________________________________________________

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tim61 ninjette.org member Name: Tim Location: Seattle, WA Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 78 Ducati 900SD Darmah, 74 Yamaha TA125, 71 Honda CL175 , 78 Moto Morini 3 1/2 Sport, 09 Kaw 250R, 08 KLR650 Posts: 45	I don't know any way to contact Ivan other than call. He is old school, and doesn't do e-mail.

April 21st, 2011, 10:05 AM	#18
Nemesis CVMA #74 WSMC #750 Name: Nemesis Location: On the track Join Date: Oct 2009 Motorcycle(s): All of them Posts: A lot.	I know not all dynos are the same but they give you a general idea what your bike is producing but in all honesty dynojet, factory pro, ivans...wateva...it all comes down to the rider. These are 250s for pete's sakes not SV650/600/1000cc bikes. Just get your numbers up to par and focus more on suspension/tires than anything else. Then ride your heart out.

April 21st, 2011, 12:14 PM	#20
tim61 ninjette.org member Name: Tim Location: Seattle, WA Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 78 Ducati 900SD Darmah, 74 Yamaha TA125, 71 Honda CL175 , 78 Moto Morini 3 1/2 Sport, 09 Kaw 250R, 08 KLR650 Posts: 45	I would laugh too, except for the fact that there were 18 other bikes there besides Adam, and somehow I just can't believe all 18 had dead motors. I will also be willing to concede that my 415 chain conversion played a small part in my efforts, but I still think that most of it was how well the bike seemed to carburate. But, I am not here to argue about horse power numbers, or who's bike is fast or anything. I just wanted to let everyone know I found something that works great for me. Whether or not you decide to go with it or not is entirly up to you, and I am not concerned one way or the other. TimO

April 21st, 2011, 01:46 PM	#22
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nick5446 ninjette.org member Name: Nick Location: Portlandia, OR Join Date: Jan 2013 Motorcycle(s): Too many Posts: 29	Digging up an old post - hopefully some of y'all are still around! I'm about to toss Ivan's kit in my bike in a few hours. I was glancing over his instructions and had some questions (I'd call him, but they're closed now). - "Clip position = #4 with 3 washers on TOP of the needle (to take up the space of the stock needle)" - What does putting washers on top of the needle do? I've put them underneath to shim the needle before, but never on top. - "For 1/2 step adjustments you may use 1 of the supplied washers under the clip of each needle, but always use a TOTAL of 3 washers!" - Clueless on what this means. He mentions going under the clip (shimming) now. Any other tips would be appreciated.