Kickstand Kill switch - Inert

omarcarbomb · February 23rd, 2015, 10:38 AM

I just replaced my engine over the holidays. (Threw rod at 65mph total bottom end loss on original engine)

Gave old engine to my scrap metal buddy.
Got used engine (also from 2006) on EBay for $350

Replacement was fun and easy for 35+ years’ experience motorcycle mechanic.
(Don't recommend you do yourself without proper tools and experience and patience)

New engine runs Boss!!!

Only issue with bike is the kick stand cut off circuit.

Here is why I'm posting:

When kick stand is up circuit is closed
When kick stand is down circuit is open.

This is proper operation for ground interrupt to ignition circuit.

Basically the kickstand circuit has been taken out of the path and does nothing to interrupt the ignition circuit.

Anyone come across this?

Roark · February 23rd, 2015, 01:15 PM

The way I'm understanding your explanation... While in 1st gear with stand UP, the bike shuts off, but it doesn't while in 1st gear/stand down?

FvnnyL3tt3r1ng · February 23rd, 2015, 08:42 PM

Your kickstand switch probably isn't working? How many years did you say you had as a mechanic?

omarcarbomb · February 24th, 2015, 01:49 PM

the kickstand switch is nothing more than a SPST switch that is open when the stand is down.

I have voltmeter tested kickstand it is closed when up and open when down.
Test procedure is to isolate kickstand and open and close bullet connectors.

What I'm saying is the kickstand switch and kickstand circuit seem to be floating..

Floating as in - not in the ground interrupt path
no matter what the open or closed state of the two leads that go to kickstand are it does nothing to the ignition circuit.

thanks,

O

agentbad · February 24th, 2015, 05:11 PM

Probably just needs a good cleaning. You can bypass it pretty easily as a temp fix but I wouldn't leave it that way.

Ghostt · February 24th, 2015, 06:05 PM

I agree with all the statements above, here some additional information that may help you,

http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/Underst...afety_switches

http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/My_side...27t_work_right

http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/Electrical_%26_Lighting

http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/Main_Page

Roark · February 26th, 2015, 04:05 PM

Have you figured it out?

omarcarbomb · March 10th, 2015, 04:38 PM

agentbad:

how/why would one go about "by-passing" a circuit that is NOT doing any thing?

Its already "bypassed" that's the issue.

Thanks Ghostt for the links.

From the first link

"The sidestand safety is a single pole, single throw (SPST) switch located at the sidestand pivot bracket on the left side of the motorcycle. When the sidestand is in the up (riding) position, the safety switch closes and completes a circuit to chassis ground. When the sidestand is down (parked) the safety switch opens and the circuit is not completed."

SO if you disconnect the kickstand from the bullet connectors in pic and just leave the 2 dangling wires the bike should NOT have ignition ground.

http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/File:Ninja_250_054_cr.jpg

My bike runs no matter what you do with those two wires. OPEN/CLOSE no effect. They are already "bypassed"

Does anyone know where those two wires terminate?

Ghostt · March 10th, 2015, 05:27 PM

Unfortunately I do not, I would advise to look very careful at the wiring diagrams

agentbad · March 11th, 2015, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omarcarbomb

agentbad:

how/why would one go about "by-passing" a circuit that is NOT doing any thing?

Its already "bypassed" that's the issue.

Thanks Ghostt for the links.

From the first link

"The sidestand safety is a single pole, single throw (SPST) switch located at the sidestand pivot bracket on the left side of the motorcycle. When the sidestand is in the up (riding) position, the safety switch closes and completes a circuit to chassis ground. When the sidestand is down (parked) the safety switch opens and the circuit is not completed."

SO if you disconnect the kickstand from the bullet connectors in pic and just leave the 2 dangling wires the bike should NOT have ignition ground.

http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/File:Ninja_250_054_cr.jpg

My bike runs no matter what you do with those two wires. OPEN/CLOSE no effect. They are already "bypassed"

Does anyone know where those two wires terminate?

Oh my bad, read it wrong, so it runs either way? Guess it'd be hard to trace without going through all that spaghetti.

FvnnyL3tt3r1ng · March 13th, 2015, 12:45 PM

I'd tug on the wire (it's green right?) until you see where it is in the ignition module. You could pull it out and butt splice it or buy the right pins at radioshack and replace the wire altogether. Unless of course you didn't rule out the ignition module malfunctioning.

February 23rd, 2015, 10:38 AM	#1
omarcarbomb ninjette.org newbie Name: Omar Location: San Jose Join Date: Apr 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2006 250ER Posts: 6	Kickstand Kill switch - Inert I just replaced my engine over the holidays. (Threw rod at 65mph total bottom end loss on original engine) Gave old engine to my scrap metal buddy. Got used engine (also from 2006) on EBay for $350 Replacement was fun and easy for 35+ years’ experience motorcycle mechanic. (Don't recommend you do yourself without proper tools and experience and patience) New engine runs Boss!!! Only issue with bike is the kick stand cut off circuit. Here is why I'm posting: When kick stand is up circuit is closed When kick stand is down circuit is open. This is proper operation for ground interrupt to ignition circuit. Basically the kickstand circuit has been taken out of the path and does nothing to interrupt the ignition circuit. Anyone come across this? __________________________________________________ Omarcarbomb 2006 Ninja 250ER

February 23rd, 2015, 01:15 PM	#2
Roark ninjette.org sage Name: James Location: Lakeland Join Date: Aug 2014 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninjette Posts: 809	The way I'm understanding your explanation... While in 1st gear with stand UP, the bike shuts off, but it doesn't while in 1st gear/stand down? __________________________________________________ "That's what" -she

February 23rd, 2015, 08:42 PM	#3
FvnnyL3tt3r1ng ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Justin Location: Florida Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250 2001 Posts: A lot.	Your kickstand switch probably isn't working? How many years did you say you had as a mechanic? __________________________________________________ Mods: Offset clutch pressure plate

February 24th, 2015, 01:49 PM	#4
omarcarbomb ninjette.org newbie Name: Omar Location: San Jose Join Date: Apr 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2006 250ER Posts: 6	NO and I doubt it the kickstand switch is nothing more than a SPST switch that is open when the stand is down. I have voltmeter tested kickstand it is closed when up and open when down. Test procedure is to isolate kickstand and open and close bullet connectors. What I'm saying is the kickstand switch and kickstand circuit seem to be floating.. Floating as in - not in the ground interrupt path no matter what the open or closed state of the two leads that go to kickstand are it does nothing to the ignition circuit. thanks, O __________________________________________________ Omarcarbomb 2006 Ninja 250ER

February 24th, 2015, 06:05 PM	#6
Ghostt in your machine Name: Scott Location: Summer Shade, Ky. Join Date: Oct 2014 Motorcycle(s): 98 Ninja 250/F12 aka ZX-2R "SERENITY", 91 Ninja 500/A5 aka ZX-5R "Phoenix", 84 Honda GL1200A "SIREN" Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 25 MOTM - Jun '17, May '16, Mar '15	I agree with all the statements above, here some additional information that may help you, http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/Underst...afety_switches http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/My_side...27t_work_right http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/Electrical_%26_Lighting http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/Main_Page __________________________________________________ *violente et ignorantia* ZX-2R BLOG *Twitter and Instagram = Ghostt_Scott* *I'm not here to change your mind, just to inform.*

February 24th, 2015, 05:11 PM	#5
agentbad ninjette.org sage Name: bob Location: Earf Join Date: Apr 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2005 Ninja 250, 2006 SV650N Posts: 642	Probably just needs a good cleaning. You can bypass it pretty easily as a temp fix but I wouldn't leave it that way.

February 26th, 2015, 04:05 PM	#7
Roark ninjette.org sage Name: James Location: Lakeland Join Date: Aug 2014 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninjette Posts: 809	Have you figured it out? __________________________________________________ "That's what" -she

March 10th, 2015, 04:38 PM	#8
omarcarbomb ninjette.org newbie Name: Omar Location: San Jose Join Date: Apr 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2006 250ER Posts: 6	agentbad: how/why would one go about "by-passing" a circuit that is NOT doing any thing? Its already "bypassed" that's the issue. Thanks Ghostt for the links. From the first link "The sidestand safety is a single pole, single throw (SPST) switch located at the sidestand pivot bracket on the left side of the motorcycle. When the sidestand is in the up (riding) position, the safety switch closes and completes a circuit to chassis ground. When the sidestand is down (parked) the safety switch opens and the circuit is not completed." SO if you disconnect the kickstand from the bullet connectors in pic and just leave the 2 dangling wires the bike should NOT have ignition ground. http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/File:Ninja_250_054_cr.jpg My bike runs no matter what you do with those two wires. OPEN/CLOSE no effect. They are already "bypassed" Does anyone know where those two wires terminate? __________________________________________________ Omarcarbomb 2006 Ninja 250ER

March 10th, 2015, 05:27 PM	#9
Ghostt in your machine Name: Scott Location: Summer Shade, Ky. Join Date: Oct 2014 Motorcycle(s): 98 Ninja 250/F12 aka ZX-2R "SERENITY", 91 Ninja 500/A5 aka ZX-5R "Phoenix", 84 Honda GL1200A "SIREN" Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 25 MOTM - Jun '17, May '16, Mar '15	Unfortunately I do not, I would advise to look very careful at the wiring diagrams __________________________________________________ *violente et ignorantia* ZX-2R BLOG *Twitter and Instagram = Ghostt_Scott* *I'm not here to change your mind, just to inform.*

March 13th, 2015, 12:45 PM	#11
FvnnyL3tt3r1ng ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Justin Location: Florida Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250 2001 Posts: A lot.	I'd tug on the wire (it's green right?) until you see where it is in the ignition module. You could pull it out and butt splice it or buy the right pins at radioshack and replace the wire altogether. Unless of course you didn't rule out the ignition module malfunctioning. __________________________________________________ Mods: Offset clutch pressure plate

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