USA Policeman Dealing with Accident

[akima]

Is this guy representative of USA police? If soo... WTF!!

Link to original page on YouTube.

The way he treated those guys for having a cracked wind screen! That's completely shocking.

Then that cyclist gets hit and he asks the woman to drive around the guy on the road! She could've run over him or gone into on coming traffic! Even worse: she would have been better putting her warning lights on and staying put to lessen the chance of other cars running over the guy in the road.

To make it worse he then starts saying that the guy is probably going to have spinal injuries in ear shot of the guy on the road! WTF!!!!

ARRGGG, moron. I really hope you guys don't have to deal with policemen like that often. I really feel for you if that's normal.

[nickjpass]

I'm sad to say, many policeman shouldn't be policeman. Power hungry. It's not as bad as other countries, where most cops are corrupt, and you have to think twice about calling the police.

[akima]

Originally Posted by nickjpass

I'm sad to say, many policeman shouldn't be policeman. Power hungry. It's not as bad as other countries, where most cops are corrupt, and you have to think twice about calling the police.

True that. It can be worse. I didn't like how he was treating those guys he pulled over worse than dogs.

[nickjpass]

He was doing it politely honestly. I've seen worse.

[leed]

I'm sure the LEO could have done a better job diverting the car from the incident, but I don't think he did anything outrageously wrong... He didn't really treat the guy with the Camaro that poorly. He had a cracked windshield, which he pulled him over (it's likely a local law) for it, and the driver admitted to not having a license due to it being suspended. The driver and the passenger were both cooperative and the officer was not unnecessarily forceful or brutal by any means.

[akima]

Originally Posted by trixter

will not pay attention to the road, or you, but instead to fire, police, etc - anything with a blinky light on the top of the vehicle.

LMAO. As bad as flies:

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[EthioKnight]

Never realized cracked windscreens could get you pulled over...my cage has one...

[sombo]

Honestly akima he wasn't treating them like dogs at all. He was doing his duty and stopping them for a local violation. The part of him having them put their hands on the steering wheel and dash is a common police tactic to make sure your hands are visible with no weapons. You have to realize that the cops can't take chances when pulling someone over because of how often the person might be armed and ready to shoot the cop. That sort of thing happens here so often that his directions are called for in order to insure his own safety. Also consider that he is dealing with two men that he has no idea if they are dangerous, armed, high, or any combination of that while on his own. Every precaution needs to be taken.

As for having her move over to the side of the road. That is also police practice. He did that because his first duty is to get everyone out of the line of possible danger. He would not be allowed to have them be a road block instead of himself be one. His duty was to get her out of the way for more emergency personnel to come in and do their duty.

Saying that guy might have spinal injuries right next to him is actually what you should do. In case you didn't notice, the guy was trying to get up. If you think they have an injury that could be made worse by movement you need to do everything you can to keep them from moving. That includes letting them know they could have injuries such as that and they could make it worse if they don't listen.

This should serve to show you akima that the US is more violent, chaotic, restricted by codes and laws than most people think. In this case I believe the officer did very little wrong in the situation.

[sombo]

Originally Posted by EthioKnight

Never realized cracked windscreens could get you pulled over...my cage has one...

It can. In many states they have inspections and the windshield is part of it. If it has a crack in it that goes beyond a certain length, or could impair the drivers vision, they either need to get it fixed or they will be in violation of the state's safety laws.

[EthioKnight]

Originally Posted by sombo

It can. In many states they have inspections and the windshield is part of it. If it has a crack in it that goes beyond a certain length, or could impair the drivers vision, they either need to get it fixed or they will be in violation of the state's safety laws.

lol...well, mine impairs the passenger's view more than it does mine, so WINNING!
But, I'll definitely check the local laws here...crazy what you learn on the internet!

[rusninja]

Link to original page on YouTube.

[akima]

Originally Posted by sombo

Honestly akima he wasn't treating them like dogs at all. He was doing his duty and stopping them for a local violation. The part of him having them put their hands on the steering wheel and dash is a common police tactic to make sure your hands are visible with no weapons. You have to realize that the cops can't take chances when pulling someone over because of how often the person might be armed and ready to shoot the cop. That sort of thing happens here so often that his directions are called for in order to insure his own safety. Also consider that he is dealing with two men that he has no idea if they are dangerous, armed, high, or any combination of that while on his own. Every precaution needs to be taken.

As for having her move over to the side of the road. That is also police practice. He did that because his first duty is to get everyone out of the line of possible danger. He would not be allowed to have them be a road block instead of himself be one. His duty was to get her out of the way for more emergency personnel to come in and do their duty.

Saying that guy might have spinal injuries right next to him is actually what you should do. In case you didn't notice, the guy was trying to get up. If you think they have an injury that could be made worse by movement you need to do everything you can to keep them from moving. That includes letting them know they could have injuries such as that and they could make it worse if they don't listen.

This should serve to show you akima that the US is more violent, chaotic, restricted by codes and laws than most people think. In this case I believe the officer did very little wrong in the situation.

I just didn't see the policeman show any respect to those guys. In that situation the threatening person is the man with his hand on a pistol, barking orders at two people who have given him no reason to believe they are of a threat to him. Is it not possible to take personal-precautions and show some respect at the same time?

I wasn't suggesting that he should of left the women in the car. I think it would have made more sense to ask them to step out of the car and escort them safely to the side of the road. He could then have put the car's warning lights on and created a road block and avoided the potential of the woman driving over that man or into on coming traffic. She had just smashed into a cyclist and it may have been her fault, so I would have been uneasy with asking her to perform any kind of maneuver.

[EthioKnight]

"Rufus, look at me"
"Hell no!, I don't wanna die"

LMAO!!! CLASSIC!

[akima]

Originally Posted by sombo

Saying that guy might have spinal injuries right next to him is actually what you should do. In case you didn't notice, the guy was trying to get up. If you think they have an injury that could be made worse by movement you need to do everything you can to keep them from moving. That includes letting them know they could have injuries such as that and they could make it worse if they don't listen.

I'm aware of the fact that after an accident like that there could be spinal damage. What I meant to imply was bad, was his blase attitude around this seriously injured man. I've had people tell me that the stuff you say around someone who has been hurt and how you say it is really important. If I heard what he said to that journalist if it was me lying on the floor, it might have made me feel panic'd and scared. What he should have done is mindfully communicated his thoughts to the guy encouraging him to stay still but without saying things that might make him panic.

I don't think this cop is the worst of the worst btw. Far from it. But: I'd much prefer I never encountered him in any of the situations that happened in the video or any other police incident.

Edit: I had a think. Maybe I should cut the policeman some slack! It was probably a hard situation to be in when that guy got hit by the car, and he did do lots of things right and only a few things wrong (IMO). I think I just got pissed off at him as soon as I saw him treating those guys the way he did. I'd be upset/angry if anyone (police or otherwise) treated me the way he treated those guys. That's not how you respectfully interact with people.

[sombo]

Originally Posted by akima

I just didn't see the policeman show any respect to those guys. In that situation the threatening person is the man with his hand on a pistol, barking orders at two people who have given him no reason to believe they are of a threat to him. Is it not possible to take personal-precautions and show some respect at the same time?

I disagree with you on this one akima. He was not disrespectful, he was commanding. All he was telling them to do was put their hands on places he could see them, while at the same time keeping his hand on his firearm in case it is needed. This is normal police procedure here in the US.

You are still looking at this case from a UK perspective. Over here there is far less respect for life and law from people. Cops have had to adjust their procedures to insure their own safety. That means doing EXACTLY what he did with those guys in having them place their hands where they can be seen. It's not disrespectful, it's not "treating them like dogs", it's simply a matter of controlling the situation in a country where police shootings are an everyday event.

I know that in the UK the police aren't even allowed to carry firearms in most places (they make a big stink about that over here), however, that will get more cops killed here. We have a very high violent crime rate here in the US and cops have to take every precaution to insure their own safety. How about I show you a few videos of cops doing "routine" traffic stops and getting shot point blank in the chest because they didn't do what this cop did? Will that convince you that this was not disrespectful?

[sombo]

Originally Posted by akima

I'm aware of the fact that after an accident like that there could be spinal damage. What I meant to imply was bad, was his blase attitude around this seriously injured man. I've had people tell me that the stuff you say around someone who has been hurt and how you say it is really important. If I heard what he said to that journalist if it was me lying on the floor, it might have made me feel panic'd and scared. What he should have done is mindfully communicated his thoughts to the guy encouraging him to stay still but without saying things that might make him panic.

I don't think this cop is the worst of the worst btw. Far from it. But: I'd much prefer I never encountered him in any of the situations that happened in the video or any other police incident.

Again, I disagree with you on this one akima. In this case it's better to inform them of a possible injury that could cause permanent damage if they try to get up. If you just try to "encourage" them to stay down w/o letting them know of the possible ramifications of not doing so, then they are less likely to listen and will try to get up believing they are fine. Then they can turn around and actually sue you for not doing more to "help" them. Yes, that happens here a lot as well, this country is also known as the sUeSA because people are so lawsuit happy.

[nickjpass]

@akima

Don't feel threatened or disrespected if a cop puts his hands on his gun. Most of the time, he's just resting his hand. Many cops do that on there belt. I remember one time I was talking to a police officer, the whole time, he had his right hand on his pistol.

[akima]

Originally Posted by nickjpass

I remember one time I was talking to a police officer, the whole time, he had his right hand on his pistol.

That's so weird. I don't like going to airports because they often have armed people there. I guess I'm not used to guns.

The USA is scary.

[nickjpass]

Originally Posted by akima

That's so weird. I don't like going to airports because they often have armed people there. I guess I'm not used to guns.

The USA is scary.

I'm not scared of cops. I know why they're there and I trust them. I don't like the people who are criminals however. That includes the corrupt cops.

[akima]

@sombo: I guess you're right about my UK perspective. I probably shouldn't judge the guy. I'd still be pissed if he did any of that s**t to me though!

[nickjpass]

What are cops like in the UK @akima ?

[sombo]

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This is the country we live in akima. Now after watching these do you think that other officer was out of line? In the US the police are always at risk from people carrying guns who will/can/do shoot police officers because they think it will help them get away to continue with whatever illegal activities they are involved in. It's sad, but that's how the US is. I'd be more fearful of a stranger in a car than an officer with his hand on his gun giving direct orders in a calm yet commanding manner.

[nickjpass]

Link to original page on YouTube.

[akima]

@sombo: I bet a lot of the "illegal activities" that involve cops aren't actually things that need enforcing using violence. I understand that your gov has a huge "war on drugs" over there where innocent (in my eyes) people who do things like smoke cannabis can get locked up for years and have their lives wrecked by the usa government and its law enforcement arm.

I haven't watched those videos. I've got to leave for work in ~7 hours, so I should probably go to sleep!

nini

Originally Posted by nickjpass

What are cops like in the UK @akima ?

They are on the whole much more respectful than that guy. At least the ones I've met. They still get given terrible laws to follow though which means they end up doing bad things.

[nickjpass]

I remember one time my dad got pulled over because the cops thought we were "lost". I know that's not why, because they probably thought we were doing something illegal. My dad was actually teaching my brother the drivers ed course. Anyway, as soon as we were pulled over, my dad kept his hands on the wheel, told my brother to put his hands on the dash, and told me to keep my hands on the seat in front of me.

[sombo]

Originally Posted by akima

@sombo: I bet a lot of the "illegal activities" that involve cops aren't actually things that need enforcing using violence. I understand that your gov has a huge "war on drugs" over there where innocent (in my eyes) people who do things like smoke cannabis can get locked up for years and have their lives wrecked by the usa government and its law enforcement arm.

Does a normal traffic stop warrant the shooting of an officer, killing him? Does a person's "need" to get high warrant killing an officer doing his job?

You may not agree with our laws about drugs (most of us don't either), but until they change those are the laws we have to live by. Break them and you face the penalties for it. That doesn't mean that people should shoot cops for doing their job.

Again, NOTHING this officer did was disrespectful or wrong. You want to see cops being offensive and disrespectful we can show you that, and it will make him look like Marry Poppins. Hell just look at those videos of UK police being violent to innocent people, and they don't have guns to threaten with. As I said before, what that officer was doing with those guys in the car is NORMAL OFFICER PROCEDURE. I'm not sure how I can make it any more clear, but that is how they are supposed to handle things. I'm not sure what you idea of disrespect is, but commanding two men (who could be carrying guns for all you know) to put their hands where they can be seen while having my weapon ready to go for self defense in case things go bad in a moments notice is not my idea of disrespectful.

Perhaps you should spend some time with military in a boot camp to learn the difference between "commanding in order to control the situation" and "disrespectful behavior" is.

[massacremasses]

why the cop acted like he did

sketchy dude
sketchy place
sketchy situation

Proceeded with caution. His actions were warranted.

[massacremasses]

Ive been pulled over and frisked.....

[akima]

@sombo: I think I'm thinking in a more abstract way about this than you. You see policeman carrying out orders as per a written procedure. I see a man in a fancy dress outfit walking up to a couple of guys with a hand on a gun and telling them what to do. I accept the reality I live in (there's lots of dudes out there willing to commit violence against people who've done something illegal but not immoral. "Illegal" as per some writings written in a language the vast majority of people can't read in a law book written by people I don't know in circles I am not a member of), but it doesn't mean I have to like it. I don't agree with a so much of the "judicial" system, but I'm fully aware of its power and as such adjust my behaviour to ensure I don't get hurt/incarcerated/stolen-from by men in uniforms (police).

Maybe you can see why I think that, that man disrespected those men in the car now?

Edit: I'm not in any way trying to get you to think the same way as me about this. I just explained that so you can see my perspective.

[akima]

Originally Posted by trixter

Do I understand this correctly? He is a cop therefore he was disrespectful for doing anything related to his job.

Nope. That's not what I meant I just had an injection and am light headed, so I'm probably not explaining myself very well.

[akima]

Originally Posted by trixter

Go easy on that heroin man ok, try again in a few hours when the injection wears off.

@trixter: lol, It was just immunisation shot. Drugs are bad... K.

I think I'm actually going to slowly back away from this thread. I've reconsidered my thoughts about the policeman based on what Sombo and others have said and realised I was a wrong in some ways, but my stance on some of the things about the situation hasn't changed. Those thoughts that haven't changed are tied to my current perspective on the world. I don't really want to get into details about what I think, because that would be a huge conversation. I feel like if I had that conversation with people in here it could turn ugly (as political/philosophical discussions often do). I'm totally happy with my ideas about the world being challenged, I just don't want to accidental cause upset in here. Plus, if there are any trolls in here, they would absolutely thrive on the kind of political/philosophical discussion I'm thinking of.

Did that make sense? I think my brain function is slowly restoring

* Akima slowly starts walking backwards away from this thread *

[Linuss]

It's quite evident that you've never worked in police, fire or EMS and has no clue of which you're speaking, so listen up and learn.

Originally Posted by akima

The way he treated those guys for having a cracked wind screen! That's completely shocking.

What's shocking? The fact that he's a lone cop, going up to a car that has 2 people in it, and that he doesn't know those two people, who very well could be wanted for something and have no issue with killing the cop to get away?

What about the fact that the driver didn't have a license, as required by law to drive?


The way he was treating them is textbook for his safety. Nothing he did to them was wrong, and I suggest you read up on officer safety

Then that cyclist gets hit and he asks the woman to drive around the guy on the road! She could've run over him or gone into on coming traffic! Even worse: she would have been better putting her warning lights on and staying put to lessen the chance of other cars running over the guy in the road.

So, you want traffic stopped for an uncertain amount of time because someone was hit, when traffic can safely go around? He's been a cop for a while, he deals with stuff like that on a regular basis, therefor he knows better than most, and what is best to be done in that situation.



It's common practice to get non-disabled cars out of the road. Just because the lady's emergency flashers might be on doesn't mean the cars behind her will pay attention. Do you realize how many cop cars, fire trucks and ambulances are run in to every day? And those have way more lights flashing than 2 in the back.

To make it worse he then starts saying that the guy is probably going to have spinal injuries in ear shot of the guy on the road! WTF!!!!

Really? what is wrong with him saying that? NOTHING. At all. Is wrong. With that.

I'm a Paramedic. I tell people like it is all the time. Clearly I have no heart, right? I'm suposed to act like everyone will always be fine.


"Naw, she isn't dead, she's just taking a really deep, really long nap, she'll be fine"

ARRGGG, moron. I really hope you guys don't have to deal with policemen like that often. I really feel for you if that's normal.

It's quite evident that you have no experience in this type of jon. Not a single thing he did was wrong. Do yourself a favor and do a ride along with your local ambulance and police force and see what they do on a daily basis.



People of your kind annoy me. Thinking they know better then the professionals who do it on a daily basis, when you've never had to deal with anything like it a single time in your life.

[akima]

@Linuss: I stopped reading at "so listen up and learn". You can have your opinions and I'll have mine.

I'm unsubscribing from this thread. I feel like I'm just gonna get shouted out if I stick around.

[Linuss]

Originally Posted by akima

I stopped reading at "so listen up and learn". You can have your opinions and I'll have mine.

Except your opinions are based in ignorance and false views on how things work.

I feel like I'm just gonna get shouted out if I stick around.

Shouted at? No. Corrected with vigor, you betchya!

[massacremasses]

You do see she lives in England right?

She doesnt know how everything works here. Waaaay to harsh dude. Way to harsh. She spoke without understanding the situation fully which she admitted, and she is a nice person who doesnt like seeing people being treated poorly, and there is nothing wrong with that. We know how it works over here, she doesnt. Dont be a douche, you make Americans look like assholes.

[Jiggles]

Americans are assholes

[massacremasses]

I am not an asshole...


ok sometimes... but not all the time

[Linuss]

Originally Posted by massacremasses

You do see she lives in England right?

She doesnt know how everything works here. Waaaay to harsh dude. Way to harsh. She spoke without understanding the situation fully which she admitted, and she is a nice person who doesnt like seeing people being treated poorly, and there is nothing wrong with that. We know how it works over here, she doesnt. Dont be a douche, you make Americans look like assholes.

And we go back to what I stated before; People of that kind annoy me.

People who have no such knowledge or experience in something but say it's wrong and attack those who do it on a daily basis. That is exactly what she did and I will not back down from my condemnation of it and neither should anyone else. I don't care if police act different in the UK... I don't start forum posts claiming those cops are wrong in what they do and looking for people to back me up on it.



She was wrong, she needed to be corrected. You view it as harsh. I view it as dealing with people like that on a daily basis and tired of being told how to do my job by civilians who don't know how things work. It wasnt a video of a cop smacking some random person around, it was a video about an officer witnessing an auto/ped at a 'routine' traffic stop and proceeding to control the scene. Two totally different beasts. You forget, people in this field have strong type-A personalities.


The saying "you attract more flies with honey" doesn't work in this field. One of the things I learned quickly in this field is you learn to read people by how they talk and react. One's that seem sensible get a please. Others, the majority, need to be told, not asked. The general populace is more likely to do what you say when you say it with authority, not with a 'please'.

[massacremasses]

Originally Posted by Linuss

And we go back to what I stated before; People of that kind annoy me.

People who have no such knowledge or experience in something but say it's wrong and attack those who do it on a daily basis. That is exactly what she did and I will not back down from my condemnation of it and neither should anyone else.


I don't care if police act different in the UK... I don't start forum posts claiming those cops are wrong in what they do and looking for people to back me up on it.



She was wrong, she needed to be corrected. You view it as harsh. I view it as dealing with people like that on a daily basis.

1. She was corrected. She admitted being wrong
2. People can start posts stating opinions. You can be an asshole too, but thats just a quick way to get on peoples ignore list.
3. When telling someone they are wrong you dont have to be an egotistical prick, or you'll just lose respect. If you want respect you must respect others.
4. dealing with assholes on a daily basis isnt the same as dealing with foreigners who dont necessarily understand how things work here, and cannot recognize "red flags" like we do.
5. Finally "people like that annoy me" cool? Shut your ****ing mouth then?


If you wanna be a dick I suggest you pick another target. But you seem to like to pick on females who don't enjoy fighting, Its easier that way isnt it?...

[massacremasses]

Originally Posted by Linuss

The saying "you attract more flies with honey" doesn't work in this field. One of the things I learned quickly in this field is you learn to read people by how they talk and react. One's that seem sensible get a please. Others, the majority, need to be told, not asked. The general populace is more likely to do what you say when you say it with authority, not with a 'please'.

I do not disagree. I thought he handled it fine and was respectful. that's not my problem with your post. Its how you chose to respond when multiple people already did without being dicks.