Ninjette.org North East Rally 6/19-21 - Page 4

BlueTyke · May 6th, 2009, 05:03 PM

Btw I am coming up from northern Maryland.... According to the Pocono's website its only 90 miles from NYC.. So I don't want to hear gripes from that end either!

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Driving Distances:

Allentown
45 Miles

Binghamton
93 Miles

Harrisburg
125 Miles

Long Island
93 Miles

Philadelphia
85 Miles

Scranton
41 Miles

Washington D.C.
203 Miles

You can also dl a map of the area. For some reason it didn't work for me but you can also order a map and info free so... yeah...

BlueTyke · May 7th, 2009, 10:06 AM

I found a hotel in White Haven (which is just outside of the Poconos above Hazelton but below Wilkesbarre on the Eastern side of the Poconos). They want about $58 a night that is the cheapest I am finding. I haven't called yet because I am not sure how many people will be needing rooms. We might be able to swing a better deal if we have more rooms. Also another thought is sharing of rooms. I know I wouldn't mind sharing a room (with or without Phil, though he does snore) and that should bring room costs down.

So who all will be needing to rent a room!?

Oooh! I just found this for a little more (like 65) they are little cottages that face a central area...

Flower Field Motel and Cottages This one is on the NJ side of the Poconos right at 209 and 80

Buffalony · May 7th, 2009, 12:28 PM

http://www.flowerfieldinn.com/

BlueTyke · May 7th, 2009, 12:45 PM

Uh... Looking at that picture and the gravel mabye not... Though I do like the idea of the open area they have so we can 'party' or just sit out and chit chat... that would be nice.

Buffalony · May 7th, 2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueTyke

Uh... Looking at that picture and the gravel mabye not... Though I do like the idea of the open area they have so we can 'party' or just sit out and chit chat... that would be nice.

I thought the same thing about the gravel. I imagined someone dropping their baby. Still good imo

Nemy · May 7th, 2009, 12:57 PM

Not a bad place and a good price. I'm good for sharing a room and/or the floor. And if the gravel is just the driveway portion leading up I don't think it'd be too much of a problem...

BlueRaven · May 7th, 2009, 08:30 PM

I have a tent trailer but i have to modify it to bring the bike looks to complicated so i'm currently looking for a super lightweight under 2,000lbs camper. The only one i have found so far are only located in the ontario region but i'm not getting any response back from the people i inquire. The perfect one would be a 17' taylor coach sleeps 6-7.

c_anglada · May 8th, 2009, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueTyke

Btw I am coming up from northern Maryland.... According to the Pocono's website its only 90 miles from NYC.. So I don't want to hear gripes from that end either!

You can also dl a map of the area. For some reason it didn't work for me but you can also order a map and info free so... yeah...

ok i dont know where your going with this but all i was saying is it doesnt matter how far from where we meet to where your going to stay for the night or so. no matter what you will have to travel to get to any of the fun roads and there are plenty of hotels within 20 miles of the poconos.

i picked the walmart in mt. pocono b/c i feel its in the center to alot of the roads and its easy to get to.

BlueTyke · May 9th, 2009, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by c_anglada

ok i dont know where your going with this but all i was saying is it doesnt matter how far from where we meet to where your going to stay for the night or so. no matter what you will have to travel to get to any of the fun roads and there are plenty of hotels within 20 miles of the poconos.

i picked the walmart in mt. pocono b/c i feel its in the center to alot of the roads and its easy to get to.

I was saying that if it is only 90 miles from NYC the people from Jersey shouldn't have a problem with meeting up at 8:30am. Also after looking at the map for a while the Poconos border on Jersey.

I have gone 90+ miles just to the start of a ride. But thats just me. Anyway.

If we go with the Flower Field Motel that is right near the Jersey side then it won't be that far for them to go.

Again if we do an 8:30 meet up it would be for Breakfast first. So that would probably give an hour to an hour and a half more to someone who is coming from further away before we actually leave on the ride itself.

c_anglada · May 9th, 2009, 01:22 PM

ok i got what you are saying....that flower field motel seems to be ok for all of you. gravel is not that big of a deal so long as you go slow. i would also say try to find a place just outside of the poconos just cause it might be cheaper for everyone... i talked it over with some others i have invited and they seem to be down with doing a bbq if everyone wants. i know they had coal bbqs at the state parks near lakes we might be able to find a good place and have a little cook out. if this is something everyone wants to do i can find out more info.

Buffalony · May 10th, 2009, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by c_anglada

i talked it over with some others i have invited and they seem to be down with doing a bbq if everyone wants. i know they had coal bbqs at the state parks near lakes we might be able to find a good place and have a little cook out. if this is something everyone wants to do i can find out more info.

+1. Ninjette feast in the park sounds good. There is a lot of parks in the area, so there is deff. going to be bbq pitts and maybe some awnings.

BlueTyke · May 10th, 2009, 07:16 AM

That sounds good with me! I wouldn't mind pitching in to pay for some of it too!

So are we going with the flower field motel as the place to stay???

Buffalony · May 10th, 2009, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueTyke

That sounds good with me! I wouldn't mind pitching in to pay for some of it too!

So are we going with the flower field motel as the place to stay???

are we just going to book on our own?
I think if we have a head/room count we can get quotes and maybe a better price per person.

I'm 1
willing to share a room

BlueTyke · May 10th, 2009, 07:25 AM

I think getting a general head count for those staying is a good idea to see if we can get a lower rate.

I am 1 room 2 people (at the moment) and propably not going to share a room.. (phil snores reallly bad... )

sombo · May 10th, 2009, 10:16 AM

That's a great idea. Some places do offer groups rates and discounts. You might be able to swing one if everyone books together as Ninjette.org Rally group.

Buffalony · May 10th, 2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by sombo

That's a great idea. Some places do offer groups rates and discounts. You might be able to swing one if everyone books together as Ninjette.org Rally group.

Yup

BlueRaven · May 20th, 2009, 05:28 AM

I forgot to mention to all the canadians thinking of attending this rally to make sure you have an up to date passport as you will need one to cross the border as of June 01 2009.

Nemy · May 26th, 2009, 07:03 PM

Cmon people vote on a hotel!!! Dooo it! Dooo it now!!!

BlueTyke · June 1st, 2009, 02:01 PM

Alright I got my hotel/place to stay at HemlockCampgrouds. If anyone wants to join me there thats fine.

Now lets focus on a morning meet up location? Did you want to stick the Walmart that is close by?

Jersey folks chime in! Nows the time! We have 19 days!

Nemy · June 1st, 2009, 04:18 PM

WOW I didn't realize it's only 19 days away lol. You really lose track of time when you're unemployed lol

Any meet spot is fine with me though. Lets do this!

BlueTyke · June 1st, 2009, 06:07 PM

arent you coming down with BR?

Nemy · June 13th, 2009, 07:26 PM

any of you locals know a good place for tires and/or installation while I'm down there? I just had a good pre-trip check and seems like I burned quite a bit of rubber on the ride today. I should be able to make it down to PA but I'd probably want a new set for the ride home. Any help?

I haven't fully decided on the tire yet. but hoping for some prices similar to what I would get here - i.e. ~$200 for a set of bt-045

BlueRaven · June 13th, 2009, 07:55 PM

Tires should be way cheaper in the states than in canada and with the current exchange rate of 10% it would be a good deal.

Nemy · June 13th, 2009, 08:05 PM

ya I'm mainly hoping someone locally knows a good place to ship it to and install it. Cause some local gems here can install for like $50.

BlueRaven · June 13th, 2009, 08:41 PM

Did anyone check the long term forecast yet?

BlueRaven · June 13th, 2009, 10:29 PM

1. Sunny
2. Nemy
3. BlueRaven

sombo · June 14th, 2009, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Nemy

any of you locals know a good place for tires and/or installation while I'm down there? I just had a good pre-trip check and seems like I burned quite a bit of rubber on the ride today. I should be able to make it down to PA but I'd probably want a new set for the ride home. Any help?

I haven't fully decided on the tire yet. but hoping for some prices similar to what I would get here - i.e. ~$200 for a set of bt-045

Steve's Cycle‎
RR 6 Box 9236, Moscow, PA‎
(570) 842-2879‎

That's where I got my speed demons put on at. They even gave me a lift home and then picked me up at my apartment since I couldn't find a ride. The price was good too, I think it was close to what you are looking for in installation price, but I can't remember and not sure where I have the recent atm. They are on 307 not far from I-380. I would call ahead and get things set up in advance since ordering and shipping can take awhile and they are actually a decently busy shop.

Buffalony · June 14th, 2009, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueRaven

1. Sunny
2. Nemy
3. BlueRaven
4. Buffalony

Nemy · June 14th, 2009, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sombo

Steve's Cycle‎
RR 6 Box 9236, Moscow, PA‎
(570) 842-2879‎

Thanks sombo. I'll give them a shout tomorrow.

And from what I can see there's a 30% chance of rain on friday and 40% for sat and sunday... I hope your weather forecasters are better than ours

BlueRaven · June 14th, 2009, 06:02 PM

Is the rally going to be rescheduled if it rains all weekend? I don't like riding in the rain. It rained so much during my gear up course all weekend that i had enough to last me a lifetime.

noche_caliente · June 14th, 2009, 06:03 PM

Don't worry guys - when it's like that, it usually means a 30-40% chance of a random thunderstorm running across the mountains - doesn't last too long, and nicely cools it down for the evening

Nemy · June 14th, 2009, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Buffalony

1. Sunny
2. Nemy
3. BlueRaven
4. Buffalony

*cough* noche *cough*

Buffalony · June 14th, 2009, 08:13 PM

4 riders??

Come on folks. Come and Join us.

Theres nothing to be afraid of.
Just a bunch of friendly strangers going on one beautiful relaxing ride (or more) with one obvious thing in common. I'm sure making a friend or two comes with the territory.

I know its fathers day weekend, but if you dont have plans and are reading this thread contemplating on coming or not. Please just join us. I'll give you $10. I'm positive it'll be an enjoyable, memorable adventure.

Sorry guys I had to attempt it atleast.

Theres so many members on the map in the NE region that I dont understand how we have only 5-6 riders on the head count. Not the picture I wanted to post after the ride, but guess it beats nothing and just me.

BlueTyke · June 15th, 2009, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Nemy

*cough* noche *cough*

I believe she is otherwise engaged.

1. Sunny +1
2. Nemy
3. BlueRaven
4. Buffalony
5. C_Anglada + a Few (I think)

As for so few I think it is because of Fathers day. Not everyone can just take their Fathers out to dinner and be happy with it.

M-Oorb still making it over from the Jersey side?

Nemy · June 15th, 2009, 08:01 AM

ya m-oorb and lavid have disappeared

BlueTyke · June 15th, 2009, 08:02 AM

PM them? If you did I won't...

Nemy · June 15th, 2009, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueTyke

PM them? If you did I won't...

lol didnt even think about that. What would we do without you?!?!

EDIT: you locals must be able to drag other people with 250s no? I tried up here... but noone else seems to be drawn in by the idea of a 7 hour ride down

BlueTyke · June 15th, 2009, 08:08 AM

I am sure you would have thought of it eventually...

Don't forget to hit up the PA people too.. The new rider with her bf on the Harley that was retired or semi retired... See if she wants to meet up... The speed skater, might want to make it to the bbq (details on that are with C_Anglada)... (My master list of everyone who posted possibles is at home... ><' )

c_anglada · June 15th, 2009, 03:39 PM

im not a big fan of riding in the rain so i say reschedule if it comes to that so far sat is a 40% chance of T-storms which means its going to happen just a matter of when. i say we make a vote thursday night if the weather does not change

Nemy · June 15th, 2009, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by c_anglada

im not a big fan of riding in the rain so i say reschedule if it comes to that so far sat is a 40% chance of T-storms which means its going to happen just a matter of when. i say we make a vote thursday night if the weather does not change

Not sure how that's going to work out. Some of us already took days off and Sunny, for sure, has already booked out a cabin. I know BR, Joe and I were probably looking to book real soon too...

Riding in the rain sucks but traveling down 7 hours (13 for BR) to meet with 2-3 people would suck even more. How committed are people to a rain or shine event? Damn weather - anyone know how to do the sun dance?!

May 7th, 2009, 10:06 AM	#122
BlueTyke So slow I'm first! Name: Sunny Location: San Jose, CA Join Date: Oct 2008 Motorcycle(s): 06 Kawasaki Ninja EX250 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 10	I found a hotel in White Haven (which is just outside of the Poconos above Hazelton but below Wilkesbarre on the Eastern side of the Poconos). They want about $58 a night that is the cheapest I am finding. I haven't called yet because I am not sure how many people will be needing rooms. We might be able to swing a better deal if we have more rooms. Also another thought is sharing of rooms. I know I wouldn't mind sharing a room (with or without Phil, though he does snore) and that should bring room costs down. So who all will be needing to rent a room!? Oooh! I just found this for a little more (like 65) they are little cottages that face a central area... Flower Field Motel and Cottages This one is on the NJ side of the Poconos right at 209 and 80 __________________________________________________ Learn from the mistakes of others, you cannot make them all yourself. Save yourself the trouble and Learn.

May 7th, 2009, 12:28 PM	#123
Buffalony ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Joe Location: Buffalo NY Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): 08 Ninja 250 "Wasabi", 82 Yamaha xj650j Posts: A lot.	http://www.flowerfieldinn.com/ __________________________________________________

May 7th, 2009, 12:45 PM	#124
BlueTyke So slow I'm first! Name: Sunny Location: San Jose, CA Join Date: Oct 2008 Motorcycle(s): 06 Kawasaki Ninja EX250 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 10	Uh... Looking at that picture and the gravel mabye not... Though I do like the idea of the open area they have so we can 'party' or just sit out and chit chat... that would be nice. __________________________________________________ Learn from the mistakes of others, you cannot make them all yourself. Save yourself the trouble and Learn.

May 10th, 2009, 07:16 AM	#132
BlueTyke So slow I'm first! Name: Sunny Location: San Jose, CA Join Date: Oct 2008 Motorcycle(s): 06 Kawasaki Ninja EX250 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 10	That sounds good with me! I wouldn't mind pitching in to pay for some of it too! So are we going with the flower field motel as the place to stay??? __________________________________________________ Learn from the mistakes of others, you cannot make them all yourself. Save yourself the trouble and Learn.

May 10th, 2009, 07:25 AM	#134
BlueTyke So slow I'm first! Name: Sunny Location: San Jose, CA Join Date: Oct 2008 Motorcycle(s): 06 Kawasaki Ninja EX250 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 10	I think getting a general head count for those staying is a good idea to see if we can get a lower rate. I am 1 room 2 people (at the moment) and propably not going to share a room.. (phil snores reallly bad... ) __________________________________________________ Learn from the mistakes of others, you cannot make them all yourself. Save yourself the trouble and Learn.

May 7th, 2009, 12:57 PM	#126
Nemy ninjette.org sage Name: Tim Location: Portland, OR Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2009 SE Ninja 250R Posts: 796	Not a bad place and a good price. I'm good for sharing a room and/or the floor. And if the gravel is just the driveway portion leading up I don't think it'd be too much of a problem...

May 7th, 2009, 08:30 PM	#127
BlueRaven ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Lil One Location: NB Canada Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): '09 Ninja 250 Black Posts: A lot.	I have a tent trailer but i have to modify it to bring the bike looks to complicated so i'm currently looking for a super lightweight under 2,000lbs camper. The only one i have found so far are only located in the ontario region but i'm not getting any response back from the people i inquire. The perfect one would be a 17' taylor coach sleeps 6-7.

May 9th, 2009, 01:22 PM	#130
c_anglada ninjette.org member Name: Chris Location: Tobyhanna, PA Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250r Posts: 51	ok i got what you are saying....that flower field motel seems to be ok for all of you. gravel is not that big of a deal so long as you go slow. i would also say try to find a place just outside of the poconos just cause it might be cheaper for everyone... i talked it over with some others i have invited and they seem to be down with doing a bbq if everyone wants. i know they had coal bbqs at the state parks near lakes we might be able to find a good place and have a little cook out. if this is something everyone wants to do i can find out more info.

May 10th, 2009, 10:16 AM	#135
sombo Newb..... on a steeek! :D Name: Mike Location: Windermere, FL Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Harley Davidson XL883L Sportster Superlow Posts: A lot.	That's a great idea. Some places do offer groups rates and discounts. You might be able to swing one if everyone books together as Ninjette.org Rally group.

May 20th, 2009, 05:28 AM	#137
BlueRaven ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Lil One Location: NB Canada Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): '09 Ninja 250 Black Posts: A lot.	I forgot to mention to all the canadians thinking of attending this rally to make sure you have an up to date passport as you will need one to cross the border as of June 01 2009.

May 26th, 2009, 07:03 PM	#138
Nemy ninjette.org sage Name: Tim Location: Portland, OR Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2009 SE Ninja 250R Posts: 796	Cmon people vote on a hotel!!! Dooo it! Dooo it now!!!

June 1st, 2009, 02:01 PM	#139
BlueTyke So slow I'm first! Name: Sunny Location: San Jose, CA Join Date: Oct 2008 Motorcycle(s): 06 Kawasaki Ninja EX250 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 10	Alright I got my hotel/place to stay at HemlockCampgrouds. If anyone wants to join me there thats fine. Now lets focus on a morning meet up location? Did you want to stick the Walmart that is close by? Jersey folks chime in! Nows the time! We have 19 days! __________________________________________________ Learn from the mistakes of others, you cannot make them all yourself. Save yourself the trouble and Learn.

June 1st, 2009, 04:18 PM	#140
Nemy ninjette.org sage Name: Tim Location: Portland, OR Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2009 SE Ninja 250R Posts: 796	WOW I didn't realize it's only 19 days away lol. You really lose track of time when you're unemployed lol Any meet spot is fine with me though. Lets do this!

June 1st, 2009, 06:07 PM	#141
BlueTyke So slow I'm first! Name: Sunny Location: San Jose, CA Join Date: Oct 2008 Motorcycle(s): 06 Kawasaki Ninja EX250 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 10	arent you coming down with BR? __________________________________________________ Learn from the mistakes of others, you cannot make them all yourself. Save yourself the trouble and Learn.

June 13th, 2009, 07:26 PM	#142
Nemy ninjette.org sage Name: Tim Location: Portland, OR Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2009 SE Ninja 250R Posts: 796	any of you locals know a good place for tires and/or installation while I'm down there? I just had a good pre-trip check and seems like I burned quite a bit of rubber on the ride today. I should be able to make it down to PA but I'd probably want a new set for the ride home. Any help? I haven't fully decided on the tire yet. but hoping for some prices similar to what I would get here - i.e. ~$200 for a set of bt-045

June 13th, 2009, 07:55 PM	#143
BlueRaven ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Lil One Location: NB Canada Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): '09 Ninja 250 Black Posts: A lot.	Tires should be way cheaper in the states than in canada and with the current exchange rate of 10% it would be a good deal. __________________________________________________ I'm not small, I'm fun sized

June 13th, 2009, 08:05 PM	#144
Nemy ninjette.org sage Name: Tim Location: Portland, OR Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2009 SE Ninja 250R Posts: 796	ya I'm mainly hoping someone locally knows a good place to ship it to and install it. Cause some local gems here can install for like $50.

June 13th, 2009, 08:41 PM	#145
BlueRaven ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Lil One Location: NB Canada Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): '09 Ninja 250 Black Posts: A lot.	Did anyone check the long term forecast yet? __________________________________________________ I'm not small, I'm fun sized

June 13th, 2009, 10:29 PM	#146
BlueRaven ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Lil One Location: NB Canada Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): '09 Ninja 250 Black Posts: A lot.	Head Count 1. Sunny 2. Nemy 3. BlueRaven __________________________________________________ I'm not small, I'm fun sized

June 14th, 2009, 06:02 PM	#150
BlueRaven ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Lil One Location: NB Canada Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): '09 Ninja 250 Black Posts: A lot.	Is the rally going to be rescheduled if it rains all weekend? I don't like riding in the rain. It rained so much during my gear up course all weekend that i had enough to last me a lifetime. __________________________________________________ I'm not small, I'm fun sized

June 14th, 2009, 06:03 PM	#151
noche_caliente ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Kim Location: mundo de ensueño Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 250 Posts: A lot.	Don't worry guys - when it's like that, it usually means a 30-40% chance of a random thunderstorm running across the mountains - doesn't last too long, and nicely cools it down for the evening __________________________________________________ Progrip tank pad, blue rim stripes, blue Pazzos, Roaring Toyz lowering kit, Puig DB in dark smoke, Cortech sport tail, super mini tank, and saddlebags, OES swingarm spools and Intuitive frame sliders

June 14th, 2009, 08:13 PM	#153
Buffalony ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Joe Location: Buffalo NY Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): 08 Ninja 250 "Wasabi", 82 Yamaha xj650j Posts: A lot.	4 riders?? Come on folks. Come and Join us. Theres nothing to be afraid of. Just a bunch of friendly strangers going on one beautiful relaxing ride (or more) with one obvious thing in common. I'm sure making a friend or two comes with the territory. I know its fathers day weekend, but if you dont have plans and are reading this thread contemplating on coming or not. Please just join us. I'll give you $10. I'm positive it'll be an enjoyable, memorable adventure. Sorry guys I had to attempt it atleast. Theres so many members on the map in the NE region that I dont understand how we have only 5-6 riders on the head count. Not the picture I wanted to post after the ride, but guess it beats nothing and just me. __________________________________________________

June 15th, 2009, 08:01 AM	#155
Nemy ninjette.org sage Name: Tim Location: Portland, OR Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2009 SE Ninja 250R Posts: 796	ya m-oorb and lavid have disappeared

June 15th, 2009, 08:02 AM	#156
BlueTyke So slow I'm first! Name: Sunny Location: San Jose, CA Join Date: Oct 2008 Motorcycle(s): 06 Kawasaki Ninja EX250 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 10	PM them? If you did I won't... __________________________________________________ Learn from the mistakes of others, you cannot make them all yourself. Save yourself the trouble and Learn.

June 15th, 2009, 08:08 AM	#158
BlueTyke So slow I'm first! Name: Sunny Location: San Jose, CA Join Date: Oct 2008 Motorcycle(s): 06 Kawasaki Ninja EX250 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 10	I am sure you would have thought of it eventually... Don't forget to hit up the PA people too.. The new rider with her bf on the Harley that was retired or semi retired... See if she wants to meet up... The speed skater, might want to make it to the bbq (details on that are with C_Anglada)... (My master list of everyone who posted possibles is at home... ><' ) __________________________________________________ Learn from the mistakes of others, you cannot make them all yourself. Save yourself the trouble and Learn.

June 15th, 2009, 03:39 PM	#159
c_anglada ninjette.org member Name: Chris Location: Tobyhanna, PA Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250r Posts: 51	im not a big fan of riding in the rain so i say reschedule if it comes to that so far sat is a 40% chance of T-storms which means its going to happen just a matter of when. i say we make a vote thursday night if the weather does not change

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