Clipon Vortex or Woodcraft?

JaeL · August 7th, 2009, 07:37 AM

I would like to make this purchase today. I had my heart set on the Woodcrafts but I just found this Vortex for a lil cheaper. The Vortex don't have risers? Would this be a problem?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Vorte...ht_2147wt_1165

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/WOODC...#ht_1513wt_919

I emailed both sellers. Do we need risers?

Broom · August 7th, 2009, 07:54 AM

heres the deal with the vortex clipons:

if you don't have any body work, then you can mount them below your triples (racers do this), and have a nice aggresive body position.

if you do have body work and need to clear it, then you need to mount them above the triples which requires you to raise your forks (thus dropping the front end of the bike some) in order to have enough fork leg for them to attach to.

thats not necessarily a bad thing. lowering your front will do a couple of things:
1. make the bike start and finish turns easier. you won't feel like you're fighting the bike so much.
2. make the bike slightly more unstable at high speeds
3.weight the front tire a little more (better planted front)
4. unweight the back tire a little (makes it a little looser)

depending on how aggresive you ride, these might not be a big deal. if you really need to be able to fine tune your setup like I do, then the vortex clipons are going to limit that adjustability a bit.

JaeL · August 7th, 2009, 12:52 PM

Broom can't I just lower the front end to make room and mount them like the WCs?

Broom · August 7th, 2009, 01:16 PM

No, because the body work will stay level with the triples. They move together.
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JaeL · August 7th, 2009, 02:30 PM

thanx broom!
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JaeL · August 7th, 2009, 02:58 PM

well crap no1 on ebay seems to have risers with there WCs...

kkim · August 7th, 2009, 03:03 PM

why not just get the clipon's from woodcraft designed specifically for the new gens?

JaeL · August 7th, 2009, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kkim

why not just get the clipon's from woodcraft designed specifically for the new gens?

Just doing research and looking for a good deal.

kkim · August 7th, 2009, 04:14 PM

lol... aren't we all??

...but 139-149 vs 162 for the 250 specific set for the new gens? how much are you looking to save?

http://store.racebikerentals.com/mer...Category_Code=

VeX · August 10th, 2009, 03:11 PM

Upon prolonged use, I would prefer the Woodcraft below the tree style (with the risers for the clipons). The Vortex ones forced me to have to lower the front end of the bike 1" for them to mount on, which helped make the bike more flickable.

The downside is the lessened ground clearance. I think for racing I would've preferred to leave the front end at the stock height and RAISE the rear 1". This would give the same effect as lowering the front end essentially and would've increased ground clearance instead of decreasing it (and would've yielded the forward stance of clip-ons).

JaeL · August 12th, 2009, 07:44 AM

URgh! I found them cheaper and with free shipping after I spent the money on getting my wife a new jacket!!! urgh!! http://www.oncycles.com/catalog.asp?pn=MCB00410

rockNroll · August 12th, 2009, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaeL

URgh! I found them cheaper and with free shipping after I spent the money on getting my wife a new jacket!!! urgh!! http://www.oncycles.com/catalog.asp?pn=MCB00410

I ordered mine for less that that.

ROADandTRACK · August 14th, 2009, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaeL

URgh! I found them cheaper and with free shipping after I spent the money on getting my wife a new jacket!!! urgh!! http://www.oncycles.com/catalog.asp?pn=MCB00410

We sell them for less than that too.

JaeL · August 14th, 2009, 03:11 PM

Well let post some links boys I'm sure there are others who haven't purchased them yet looking to save a few bucks. I talked to Toni today and if you call OnCycles directly they will lower the price even more. They just can't list them lower outright on their site due to their deal with Woodcraft.

paterick4o8 · August 14th, 2009, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaeL

Well let post some links boys I'm sure there are others who haven't purchased them yet looking to save a few bucks. I talked to Toni today and if you call OnCycles directly they will lower the price even more. They just can't list them lower outright on their site due to their deal with Woodcraft.

nice! I bought mine online from oncycles too. They were $2 cheaper back then and had no tax nor shipping cost. How much do they hook you up for if you call direct?

JaeL · August 14th, 2009, 06:11 PM

They didn't say and I didn't wanna know because I had already paid for mines!! urgh!

paterick4o8 · August 16th, 2009, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaeL

They didn't say and I didn't wanna know because I had already paid for mines!! urgh!

ahh, oh well. As long as you get them soon and don't have to pay a cent more, then that's all that matters. have fun with them clip-ons

August 7th, 2009, 07:37 AM	#1
JaeL Bike Thrasher Name: JaeL Location: Omaha Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 EX250r Posts: 334 Blog Entries: 10	Clipon Vortex or Woodcraft? I would like to make this purchase today. I had my heart set on the Woodcrafts but I just found this Vortex for a lil cheaper. The Vortex don't have risers? Would this be a problem? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Vorte...ht_2147wt_1165 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/WOODC...#ht_1513wt_919 I emailed both sellers. Do we need risers? __________________________________________________ Intuitive Sliders, Aftermarket pegs, Custom Paint, Seat Cowl, Tinted Screen, Aftermarket flush mounts, Wheel Tape, Fender Chopped, Stock Shortie Exhaust and Woodcraft ClipOns

August 7th, 2009, 07:54 AM	#2
Broom Track Junkie Name: Jon Location: Dallas Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250r Track Bike, DR350 commuter, KDX220 woods bike Posts: 602	heres the deal with the vortex clipons: if you don't have any body work, then you can mount them below your triples (racers do this), and have a nice aggresive body position. if you do have body work and need to clear it, then you need to mount them above the triples which requires you to raise your forks (thus dropping the front end of the bike some) in order to have enough fork leg for them to attach to. thats not necessarily a bad thing. lowering your front will do a couple of things: 1. make the bike start and finish turns easier. you won't feel like you're fighting the bike so much. 2. make the bike slightly more unstable at high speeds 3.weight the front tire a little more (better planted front) 4. unweight the back tire a little (makes it a little looser) depending on how aggresive you ride, these might not be a big deal. if you really need to be able to fine tune your setup like I do, then the vortex clipons are going to limit that adjustability a bit. __________________________________________________ Las Escobas -- Track Bikes Save Lives JonBroom.com

August 7th, 2009, 12:52 PM	#3
JaeL Bike Thrasher Name: JaeL Location: Omaha Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 EX250r Posts: 334 Blog Entries: 10	Broom can't I just lower the front end to make room and mount them like the WCs? __________________________________________________ Intuitive Sliders, Aftermarket pegs, Custom Paint, Seat Cowl, Tinted Screen, Aftermarket flush mounts, Wheel Tape, Fender Chopped, Stock Shortie Exhaust and Woodcraft ClipOns

August 7th, 2009, 02:58 PM	#6
JaeL Bike Thrasher Name: JaeL Location: Omaha Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 EX250r Posts: 334 Blog Entries: 10	well crap no1 on ebay seems to have risers with there WCs... __________________________________________________ Intuitive Sliders, Aftermarket pegs, Custom Paint, Seat Cowl, Tinted Screen, Aftermarket flush mounts, Wheel Tape, Fender Chopped, Stock Shortie Exhaust and Woodcraft ClipOns

August 12th, 2009, 07:44 AM	#11
JaeL Bike Thrasher Name: JaeL Location: Omaha Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 EX250r Posts: 334 Blog Entries: 10	URgh! I found them cheaper and with free shipping after I spent the money on getting my wife a new jacket!!! urgh!! http://www.oncycles.com/catalog.asp?pn=MCB00410 __________________________________________________ Intuitive Sliders, Aftermarket pegs, Custom Paint, Seat Cowl, Tinted Screen, Aftermarket flush mounts, Wheel Tape, Fender Chopped, Stock Shortie Exhaust and Woodcraft ClipOns

August 7th, 2009, 01:16 PM	#4
Broom Track Junkie Name: Jon Location: Dallas Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250r Track Bike, DR350 commuter, KDX220 woods bike Posts: 602	No, because the body work will stay level with the triples. They move together. Posted via Mobile Device

August 7th, 2009, 02:30 PM	#5
JaeL Bike Thrasher Name: JaeL Location: Omaha Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 EX250r Posts: 334 Blog Entries: 10	thanx broom! Posted via Mobile Device

August 7th, 2009, 03:03 PM	#7
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	why not just get the clipon's from woodcraft designed specifically for the new gens?

August 7th, 2009, 04:14 PM	#9
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	lol... aren't we all?? ...but 139-149 vs 162 for the 250 specific set for the new gens? how much are you looking to save? http://store.racebikerentals.com/mer...Category_Code=

August 10th, 2009, 03:11 PM	#10
VeX That's me! Name: TJ Location: Ames, IA Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250r (Tis blue), 2008 CBR600RR Posts: 454	Upon prolonged use, I would prefer the Woodcraft below the tree style (with the risers for the clipons). The Vortex ones forced me to have to lower the front end of the bike 1" for them to mount on, which helped make the bike more flickable. The downside is the lessened ground clearance. I think for racing I would've preferred to leave the front end at the stock height and RAISE the rear 1". This would give the same effect as lowering the front end essentially and would've increased ground clearance instead of decreasing it (and would've yielded the forward stance of clip-ons).

August 14th, 2009, 03:11 PM	#14
JaeL Bike Thrasher Name: JaeL Location: Omaha Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 EX250r Posts: 334 Blog Entries: 10	Well let post some links boys I'm sure there are others who haven't purchased them yet looking to save a few bucks. I talked to Toni today and if you call OnCycles directly they will lower the price even more. They just can't list them lower outright on their site due to their deal with Woodcraft. __________________________________________________ Intuitive Sliders, Aftermarket pegs, Custom Paint, Seat Cowl, Tinted Screen, Aftermarket flush mounts, Wheel Tape, Fender Chopped, Stock Shortie Exhaust and Woodcraft ClipOns

August 14th, 2009, 06:11 PM	#16
JaeL Bike Thrasher Name: JaeL Location: Omaha Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 EX250r Posts: 334 Blog Entries: 10	They didn't say and I didn't wanna know because I had already paid for mines!! urgh! __________________________________________________ Intuitive Sliders, Aftermarket pegs, Custom Paint, Seat Cowl, Tinted Screen, Aftermarket flush mounts, Wheel Tape, Fender Chopped, Stock Shortie Exhaust and Woodcraft ClipOns

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