Why the 2013 Ninja 250 sucks - Page 5

lgk · August 7th, 2012, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Xoulrath

Cool story. I hate carbs.

efi will have similar results if not tuned right, or not allowed to warm up
you will waste more fuel and lose power in cold weather.

i rode around in 10 degree weather with carbs, and the bike worked fine.
even push started it in 25 degree weather.

i think your mindset is completely wrong...
there's nothing wrong with carbs, just people are too lazy to make them work.

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Originally Posted by Xoulrath

I shouldn't have to do anything to any vehicle to make it function better than the factory.

so you wouldn't tune suspension settings for your weight?
get better tires, clip on bars, rear sets, brakes, etc.

why even own a sport bike?
just buy a mean streak and go bar hopping, lol.

ajcadoo · August 7th, 2012, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiggles

CA is just stupid, full of stupid laws and stupid limitations

Well said and fully agree. We are the lamest state, hands down, with the best weather.

Jiggles · August 7th, 2012, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ajcadoo

Well said and fully agree. We are the lamest state, hands down, with the best weather.

Totally agree. Living in California is awesome but living in California sucks.

ZackoFF96 · August 8th, 2012, 01:19 AM

wow i always dream about living in california

lgk · August 8th, 2012, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ajcadoo

Well said and fully agree. We are the lamest state, hands down, with the best weather.

california used to be a pretty lax in terms of laws.
that changed sometime in the 1970s...

itsEnZo · August 8th, 2012, 11:40 AM

Everything positive that Cali offers easily trumps our negative

Disclaimer: IMO

lgk · August 8th, 2012, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by itsEnZo

Everything positive that Cali offers easily trumps our negative

Disclaimer: IMO

In your opinion whats the worst thing about your state?

Jiggles · August 8th, 2012, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by lgk

In your opinion whats the worst thing about your state?

Plastic bags being banned

And San Francisco...

lgk · August 8th, 2012, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiggles

Plastic bags being banned

that's horrible, why would they do such a thing?
better be quick carrying frozen goods from your house to the freezer without the paper bag tearing.......

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Originally Posted by Jiggles

And San Francisco...

what's wrong with frisco?

Jiggles · August 8th, 2012, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by lgk

that's horrible, why would they do such a thing?
better be quick carrying frozen goods from your house to the freezer without the paper bag tearing.......

Dude I hate paper bags, those stupid handles don't stay on for ****

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Originally Posted by lgk

what's wrong with frisco?

An easier question is what isn't wrong with frisco. They are the epitome of stupid laws and what's wrong with CA

ajcadoo · August 8th, 2012, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiggles

Totally agree. Living in California is awesome but living in California sucks.

hahaha

CZroe · August 8th, 2012, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ajcadoo

hahaha

You forgot to take only HALF of that statement!

Jiggles · August 8th, 2012, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CZroe

You got to taly HALF fat men!

Dude you're crazy

Matz · August 9th, 2012, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by akima

The stock EFI on my 2011 ninjette doesn't handle cold temps very well. I had lots of trouble starting the bike during the coldest part of last winter. There's another EFI ninjette owner on this forum who had the same issue. I'm pretty sure the EFI has a less than optimal mapping. I'll be getting a power commander (or similar) soon to resolve that issue and to allow my bike to make use of an area p full system.

True the fuel/air ratio is set up quite lean to meet emissions. But I never had a problem starting mine? I used mine all the way through winter, it was usuallly about -7C at 6am cos I had to get to work.
Just rememebr you gotta stick both your legs out when you see all that ice on the road lol

I'll sell you a Pipewerx can Akima

akima · August 9th, 2012, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Matz

True the fuel/air ratio is set up quite lean to meet emissions. But I never had a problem starting mine? I used mine all the way through winter, it was usuallly about -7C at 6am cos I had to get to work.
Just rememebr you gotta stick both your legs out when you see all that ice on the road lol

I'll sell you a Pipewerx can Akima

It wasn't the whole of winter that I had this problem. It occured on and off for about a month on the coldest days. I managed to get around the problem by priming the engine twice (key on, key off, key on) and then pinning the throttle at ~5k as soon as she fired up. I'd hold the throttle there for about 5 seconds and then she wouldn't cut out so long as I didn't ride with the revs below ~3k.

No thanks! I have my heart set on the ugly, but well performing Area P 18" race full system

choneofakind · August 9th, 2012, 09:49 AM

^^ I remember you asking about that. Your ninjette sounds like a Floridian. doesn't like cold
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Matz · August 9th, 2012, 09:43 PM

Is the Area P not an American exhaust? Most full systems are which usually means there won't be bit for the oxygen sensors on our bikes. Although I think I heard something about a bung and some majic sorting that out!

choneofakind · August 10th, 2012, 05:00 AM

Its American. All you have to do to get a bung is contact Kerry at area p and he'll pit one in for you.

Area p isn't a big box exhaust maker. You contact them about things you want, and they'll work with you. That's why they have such a good rep here.
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lgk · August 10th, 2012, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Matz

Is the Area P not an American exhaust? Most full systems are which usually means there won't be bit for the oxygen sensors on our bikes. Although I think I heard something about a bung and some majic sorting that out!

you can get a bung welded in any exhaust.
just find a good welder and pay him $50.

good places to look are shops that do wideband o2 installs on high performance cars.

Matz · August 13th, 2012, 04:19 AM

But won't the Area P not have a hole for the oxygen sensor, so why would you bung up anything on the exhaust? Or do you mean bunging up the oxygen sensor?

choneofakind · August 13th, 2012, 04:50 AM

The bung is the thing that you weld to the exhaust to screw the oxygen sensor into so it can poke through a hole and sniff the exhaust gasses...

No bung = no oxygen sensors.
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Somchai · August 23rd, 2012, 11:27 PM

Matz, you're right about the Ninja is set up to lean. Most of the riders in Germany in winter time have the same problem about start and run the engine in cold weather.
And here is another look why the Ninja 2013 sucks, take a look at comment #180 from a guy in Indonesia: http://www.kawiforums.com/ninja-250r...-250-a-18.html

nihyakugojuu · October 2nd, 2012, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Dopamine

Hahaha

Im trying to find a reason not to like it coz I only bought my bike a couple of months ago.... But I can't!!

Damn you kawasaki!

But i can't even afford a brand new one anyways.

That is what I said when I got my 07' brand new

CZroe · October 2nd, 2012, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Somchai

Matz, you're right about the Ninja is set up to lean. Most of the riders in Germany in winter time have the same problem about start and run the engine in cold weather.
And here is another look why the Ninja 2013 sucks, take a look at comment #180 from a guy in Indonesia: http://www.kawiforums.com/ninja-250r...-250-a-18.html

Direct link to post:
http://www.kawiforums.com/ninja-300/...ml#post2741559

choneofakind · October 2nd, 2012, 08:36 PM

Bah. His biggest complaint is that the plastics are thinner. The rest of the bike is pretty much parts straight from the 08-12 bike... swingarm, frame (which is beefed up) forks, etc. Build quality my butt. His issue is plastics that are thinner than he likes.

He should see a pregen in person, because if he did, he'd never buy a newgen; pregen fairings are freaking sturdy. However the 08-12 is clearly a better bike with more chances to upgrade/update.

DaveTheCanuck · October 2nd, 2012, 09:47 PM

I don't really see a downside to thinner plastics.

The fairings on the 08-12 will already crack if the bike is dropped. All this means is now they'll be cheaper to replace. That and the bike will be lighter and cheaper to produce.

The only purpose the fairings serve is to deflect wind. They can be as thin as paper and still do that.

Jiggles · October 2nd, 2012, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveTheCanuck

The fairings on the 08-12 will already crack if the bike is dropped. All this means is now they'll be cheaper to replace.

choneofakind · October 7th, 2012, 08:00 PM

Cheaper? yeah... no.

October 7th, 2012, 08:58 PM

Bung

lgk · October 8th, 2012, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by choneofakind

Cheaper? yeah... no.

yeah i'm not sure where he got that memo from.
it seems like there are more trim pieces on the new bike and the paint is candy color, not a flat color.

everything indicates additional repair costs.

ricochet08 · October 8th, 2012, 10:43 AM

since this thread came back.....i love my ninja 300

Sapper · October 8th, 2012, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ricochet08

since this thread came back.....i love my ninja 300

Me too. It is so much quicker in the low/mid range!!

I go ride around on lunch just because.

Somchai · October 9th, 2012, 12:57 AM

Maybe this is Hondas answer to the 2013 Ninja???

Jiggles · October 9th, 2012, 12:59 AM

Honda has an answer to a product they didn't even know about?

psych0hans · October 9th, 2012, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Somchai

Maybe this is Hondas answer to the 2013 Ninja???

English please?

CZroe · October 9th, 2012, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiggles

Honda has an answer to a product they didn't even know about?

I'm pretty sure their rivals had a better idea about what the competition was up to than we did.

lgk · October 9th, 2012, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CZroe

I'm pretty sure their rivals had a better idea about what the competition was up to than we did.

i'm sure they examined a bunch of scenarios...
maybe they thought about competing against the ninja 400, but decided not to since it was not a big seller.

ricochet08 · October 9th, 2012, 10:13 AM

it better have an inline motor! lol

August 9th, 2012, 09:43 PM	#177
Matz is stunning! ;) Name: Matz Location: Elgin, Scotland Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): CBR600 FS2, XT350 Posts: 132	Is the Area P not an American exhaust? Most full systems are which usually means there won't be bit for the oxygen sensors on our bikes. Although I think I heard something about a bung and some majic sorting that out! __________________________________________________ It ain't a 250, one of the zeros is missing! My Facebook and Youtube

August 13th, 2012, 04:19 AM	#180
Matz is stunning! ;) Name: Matz Location: Elgin, Scotland Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): CBR600 FS2, XT350 Posts: 132	But won't the Area P not have a hole for the oxygen sensor, so why would you bung up anything on the exhaust? Or do you mean bunging up the oxygen sensor? __________________________________________________ It ain't a 250, one of the zeros is missing! My Facebook and Youtube

October 9th, 2012, 12:59 AM	#194
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	Honda has an answer to a product they didn't even know about? __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

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choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	^^ I remember you asking about that. Your ninjette sounds like a Floridian. doesn't like cold Posted via Mobile Device

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choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	Its American. All you have to do to get a bung is contact Kerry at area p and he'll pit one in for you. Area p isn't a big box exhaust maker. You contact them about things you want, and they'll work with you. That's why they have such a good rep here. Posted via Mobile Device

August 13th, 2012, 04:50 AM	#181
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	The bung is the thing that you weld to the exhaust to screw the oxygen sensor into so it can poke through a hole and sniff the exhaust gasses... No bung = no oxygen sensors. Posted via Mobile Device

August 23rd, 2012, 11:27 PM	#182
Somchai Freedom for Germany Location: This World Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R-FI Posts: A lot.	Matz, you're right about the Ninja is set up to lean. Most of the riders in Germany in winter time have the same problem about start and run the engine in cold weather. And here is another look why the Ninja 2013 sucks, take a look at comment #180 from a guy in Indonesia: http://www.kawiforums.com/ninja-250r...-250-a-18.html

October 2nd, 2012, 08:36 PM	#185
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	Bah. His biggest complaint is that the plastics are thinner. The rest of the bike is pretty much parts straight from the 08-12 bike... swingarm, frame (which is beefed up) forks, etc. Build quality my butt. His issue is plastics that are thinner than he likes. He should see a pregen in person, because if he did, he'd never buy a newgen; pregen fairings are freaking sturdy. However the 08-12 is clearly a better bike with more chances to upgrade/update.

October 2nd, 2012, 09:47 PM	#186
DaveTheCanuck Moo Name: David Location: Toronto'ish, Canada Join Date: Feb 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja 300 Posts: 103	I don't really see a downside to thinner plastics. The fairings on the 08-12 will already crack if the bike is dropped. All this means is now they'll be cheaper to replace. That and the bike will be lighter and cheaper to produce. The only purpose the fairings serve is to deflect wind. They can be as thin as paper and still do that.

October 7th, 2012, 08:00 PM	#188
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	Cheaper? yeah... no.

October 7th, 2012, 08:58 PM	#189
codestp202 Guest Posts: n/a	Bung

October 8th, 2012, 10:43 AM	#191
ricochet08 ninjette.org guru Name: Ross Location: St. Louis Join Date: Aug 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2007 ninja ex500, 2010 Ninja 250r, 2004 zzr600, 2003 CBR600rr, 2013 Ninja 300...in that order :D Posts: 266	since this thread came back.....i love my ninja 300

October 9th, 2012, 10:13 AM	#198
ricochet08 ninjette.org guru Name: Ross Location: St. Louis Join Date: Aug 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2007 ninja ex500, 2010 Ninja 250r, 2004 zzr600, 2003 CBR600rr, 2013 Ninja 300...in that order :D Posts: 266	it better have an inline motor! lol