August 13th, 2017, 08:33 AM | #1 |
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OEM vs Aftermarket/Ethanol bad for our bikes?
Couple decent reads I figured I'd just put in the same thread.
http://www.bikebandit.com/blog/post/...ermarket_guide Ethanol article http://www.bikebandit.com/blog/post/..._081317_BBNews
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August 13th, 2017, 05:16 PM | #2 |
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Best to be proactive...Ive been pushin' the Stabil 360 (Marine) Ethanol treatment for a long time now.
We read so often (i commonly see firsthand) the nasty effects of long term storage without stabilizers/treatments. Additives vital to keep the carbs clean and bikes running well long term...our only defense.
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I've had good results with the 360. Note its not the old red Stabil, Google and read up on its attributes.
1/2 oz with every fillup (where/when possible) I'm sure other suggestions and opinions will follow (and thats ok)
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August 15th, 2017, 09:27 AM | #5 |
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Awesome thanks. I'll definitely pick it up.
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Holy **** lol
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c'mon, man...i gargle with this stuff.
The measured, long neck dispenser bottle virtually eliminates spills.
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Imma be different in this thread on this subject.
I use stabil (red) one time per year, when I put my bikes up for storage in the winter or a period of time where I will not be riding it. I am 43yrs old and have doing it this way since I was 17 and not about to change now. I don't fix things are are not broken. My dad does it with his boat too, and been that way since like.... forever. Is there some other benefit from using the product that I am missing? EDIT: Now... please know that my usage of a bike may not be normal. I just did a milage check on my track bike. 24k in 2.5yrs. That is a hell of alot of track miles! On a side note, its getting close to time for a new engine or new bike. Not sure what direction I will go.
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If I understand it correctly, it's designed for use with ethanol gas, and stops the phase separation and moisture collection that happens when ethanol is blended with gasoline. |
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August 17th, 2017, 02:29 PM | #13 |
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Nah, mostly 10% in my area. A few stations with 15% that I pass along the way. :\ But thanks for the info, I will check into it more.
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Newer Stabil 360 is also mostly deodorized kerosene and does evaporation suppression. It also has a miscible polar compound that absorbs moisture faster than ethanol. And a stabilizer compound that counter-acts strongly oxidizing effect of the moisture-absorber. Last futzed with by DannoXYZ; August 17th, 2017 at 09:07 PM. |
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August 22nd, 2017, 08:37 AM | #17 |
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obviously the stable 360 regular is for cars where is the marine is for small engine and boats but why are we recommended to use the marine in the ninja 250?after reading all the good things that it does I might buy the stable 360 regular for my car's
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i have been suggesting and using 360 marine as the 360 performance pictured *didn't exist* at the time
hey give it a whirl
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just filled up, i've got my marine 360 in 1/2 ounce. last tank i avg. 40 mpg
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lets keep this thread going on mpg/performance.
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40 mpg is less than stellar fuel consumption on a 250.
Note I suggest using the 360 as a *preventative* (especially AFTER my carb service is completed)...never intended to suggest as a full tuneup replacement in a bottle. Expecting an ethanol treatment to compensate for, or radically improve that MPG is likely unreasonable, if that is your goal I'd respectfully suggest to consider and review your tuning parameters...especially valve clearances and carb settings...while still using the 360.
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will find out on the next tank, some members only average 40-45 mpg. motor has 5000 miles on it. i'm not gonna sweat it, will see what happens. i'm running stock needles with 3 washers and 100 mains. carbs bench synced. snorkel removed with a uni filter.
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Have you adjusted you idle mixture screws? They should be in the 2.5 turns out range, or pretty close. The plug color would give you a general indication of the overall mixture. Removing the snorkel isn't always an improvement. If you were looking for better mileage, I'd try with it back in. |
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55MPG mostly at 30-45mph but fair share of 55+. Just filled her up again today with the marine type. Same as last fill up. Ducatiman didn't intend to put this stuff out there as a solution to helping gas mileage. Just as something to help counter potential damage caused by ethanol. That's how I took it anyway.
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plugs look good to me
bike runs fine. quite strange, i have 98's on the way but my plugs sure don't show it.
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Here's comparison of my race vs. street N250R, both 2008 models:
RACE left - 96 Dynojet mains, no washers on needles, Tyga full-exhaust, about +10% more flow and power STREET right - 98 stock mains, all factory exhaust Kinda confirms numerous postings and magazine-article of racing 250 that mains were too rich in factory trim. I've got slightly smaller mains than stock (actual size in MM) and flow-enhancing mods, yet jetting is now spot-on. Huge difference noticeable when hoping back and forth between them; street-bike feels gutless! Anyone remember that '60s hot-rod saying? |
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my plugs don't look rich.
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Yours look pretty good. Richness occurs at +60-70% throttle from +7000rpms onwards. If you're not WOT all the time, mixture will be fine.
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yet stock jetted/exhaust 250's are reported to routinely yield + 50 MPG consumption and maverick reported 40 earlier in the thread.
What MPG your street bike getting, JacRyan? You've accurately set the pilot screws? I realize your racebike MPG is impertinent, but no doubt you've got Dynojet needles in there too?
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after running out of gas at 184 miles, I computed 38 miles to the gallon. bike runs great and pulls hard. my plugs look great. i have stick coils going in and iridium plugs too. maybe i'll leave 100's in and run another tank and see.
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Your plugs look terrific. Possibly a tad lean? Maybe.
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