March 20th, 2012, 06:46 PM | #41 | |
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March 20th, 2012, 07:07 PM | #42 |
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March 20th, 2012, 07:10 PM | #43 |
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Engine rating vs. rear wheel hp.
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March 20th, 2012, 07:39 PM | #44 | |
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March 21st, 2012, 07:59 PM | #45 |
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I suppose sometimes I'm bad at saying what's on my mind.
I just looked at this article about the 650 http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/bi...12-ninja-650r/ it seems pretty interesting. As for the FZ6R, there's actually one that parks next to me at school. I have to admit it's a pretty sweet looking bike. I might have to look into that one as well. The dyno charts are also pretty interesting. While the FZ6R does put out more power, I almost wonder if the fact that the Kawi has more power lower would be more of what I'm looking for? Or is it that since the Yamaha is an I-4 it would feel less like ringing it out at higher rpm? Btw, I'm not concerned very much about the track or twisty roads. Almost all of the roads around here are straight. The roads that do have curves all either have 35 mph speed limits or are covered in gravel. Mostly covered in gravel. I'v lowsided my bicycle at least three times going around 30 mph through turns because of gravel, and I'm not trying to do that going any faster. |
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March 21st, 2012, 08:08 PM | #46 |
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So there's no reason to "downgrade" to a 650 then
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March 21st, 2012, 08:48 PM | #47 |
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All rationalizing aside, I get the sense you really WANT an I4.
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March 21st, 2012, 10:00 PM | #48 |
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March 21st, 2012, 11:31 PM | #49 |
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They won't let you do it here
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March 22nd, 2012, 08:30 AM | #50 |
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^^ that's what friends and demo days are for.
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March 22nd, 2012, 09:33 AM | #51 |
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Part of this article doesn't make sense to me....
"The Kawasaki EX500 ran basically unchanged from 1987 to 1994 when it got a 'minor' update and a name change to the Ninja 500R, which is exactly how it remained until 2009 when its first-ever true redesign bumped it up to 649cc and the Ninja 650R was born. I thought the 650R was born in 2006...the model year of my first one. Am I confused, or is the author? In 2009, the 500R and 650R co-existed on the showroom floor. It's not the same bike. p.s. LOVE the new guages. Much better than 2011. |
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March 22nd, 2012, 09:47 AM | #52 |
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I think the author took some liberties. Yes, the 650R/650 was a completely new bike that had very little to do with the EX500/500R. But it did pretty much chase the same market, with a mid-sized parallel-twin engine, aimed at the same type of customer.
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March 22nd, 2012, 12:56 PM | #53 |
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I think he was also confused when he said the 500 became the 650. I supose you could look at it that way, but IIRC the 650r first came out in 2006, where as the Ninja 500 was produced through 2008.
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March 22nd, 2012, 01:17 PM | #54 | |
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March 22nd, 2012, 01:36 PM | #55 |
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I was off a year on the Ex500s death, but it sounds like we are all on the same page about that.
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March 23rd, 2012, 08:47 PM | #56 |
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I noticed that while I was reading it as well. I can see his point though. The 650 and 500 were both aimed at the same segment not to mention when exactly was the last time the 500 was updated? It was probably pretty cheap for Kawi to sell the two side by side for some time.
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April 4th, 2012, 04:50 AM | #57 |
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Go with the 650
I have a 2009 ninja 650. I do wish for the sound of the I4, but.... the 650 is very streetable.
Recently I've ridden a new R6 yami, and a year or two ago, I borrowed an older ninja 900 from a buddy for the weekend. The R6 made me feel like a curled up jockey... like I was going to fall over the front headlight. It was surprisingly smooth and just kept pulling harder as the RPMs approached 10k (red line at 16k). I was in 2nd winding it out and it felt as if it was about to do a wheelie... which would never happen on my 650. It wanted to cruise at 65 to 70. The handling was very stiff in a straight line, but it just falls around curves (a good thing). Its center of gravity is a lot lower than my 650. The R6 belongs to a friend who just got her license and is her first bike. She's very cautious with it, but I do feel it was too much for a first bike. The 900 I rode a few years ago was amazing. But I couldn't ever use it on the street. At 65mph, it was "loping". The throttle was just cracked past the slack in the cable and the best I could do was surging up and down 10mph. It wanted to cruise at about 85 or 90mph - still no range in the throttle that I could control well. It handles just like my 650.. you can tug it over on it's side and have to pull on it in the curves. I would absolutely LOVE to ride this on the track, but on the road it'll just frustrate me and/or get me killed. Both the R6 and 900 ninja had me leaning forward so far as to give me a crick in my neck after a while. The 900 was ridden to Myrtle Beach... about 2.5 hours away and I couldn't wait to get off it. My 650's seat isn't as comfortable as it could be for long trips. My limit is about an hour on it. But... as I said, it is very streetable. It is certainly zippy enough to get around in traffic. My 11 year old loves to "pack someone's lunch" on the two lane. It likes to cruise about 60 or 65. I put a throttle friction on it and all is well. I dunno if they changed the camming in the later years, but it does have an annoying space between the peak torque and peak hp. It would be nicer if the two were closer together, but it's not bad either... I say it is like it is two bikes (personalities??) in one. Below 6k, it's good for easing around in traffic. between 9 and 10k, it is pretty damned zippy. I'm getting about 47 to 49mpg in real world riding. I've never ridden the 250, so I really can't tell you what a step up the 650 would be. If you plan to use it as a daily commuter with occasional zippy weekend trips, the 650 is a great bike for you. If you want to do wheelies and keep up with the joneses, you may out grow it quickly. Wes |
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April 4th, 2012, 04:36 PM | #58 |
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Thanks for the review, Wes. It's always good to hear someone's personal experience, and unique perspective.
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May 20th, 2012, 09:13 PM | #59 |
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I've had a 650 for a few months. It's the naked 650, the ER-6n, but mechanically, same as a 650r.
Compared to an SS600, it will fall behind... eventually. If you are both in 6th gear, loafing along at 50 MPH, the 650 will pull on it. Start dropping gears, and it's game over... From a standstill, it's pretty much a dead heat through 1st gear. Keeping the front wheel on the ground is the limiting factor. Even a 650 will lift it in 1st at full throttle. Once into 2nd gear, however, the 600 will leave it behind. It's a good 0-60 race, and the more skilled rider will likely win on either bike. From anywhere around 30 MPH on however, if in the right gear (i.e. spin it up) the 600 will leave the 650 twins behind. All that said, if all you want to do is keep up with a friend or two on a 600, it really shouldn't be a problem on the street. Especially if they are going around half throttle. What is an all out banzai attack on a Ninjette is just a 3/4 throttle, shifting at just under 10,000 rpm event on a 650. Much easier to keep up with a more powerful bike. Just because a Ninjette can be made to keep up, doesn't mean it's pleasant. Yeah, they'll take a ride bouncing between 10-12k shifting all the time, but it's not exactly pleasant riding the crap out of it just to keep up. The 650 really hits a sweet spot for a street bike. It's got plenty of power for "normal" riding, it's pretty inexpensive, it doesn't gulp gas (I get around 42, and ride it like I get free gas), and insurance is way cheaper than a 600 I-4 bike. Oh yeah, you're wringing it our, not ringing it out. Sorry, grammar nazi...
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May 20th, 2012, 10:21 PM | #60 |
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You need one of these. 1992 CBR600F2. I had one for a year. Here's mine:
They are fast--Mine was totally stock and held up just fine during track days against the other new 600s. So much fun, and so comfortable! After riding a Ducati, I never thought I'd own another sportbike, but the F2's ergonomics were more like the V-strom I'd once had than the Duc. More comfortable than the 250. Did I mention they're sexy as hell? Beautiful pain jobs. Wish Honda still made them this pretty.
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May 21st, 2012, 01:28 AM | #61 |
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May 21st, 2012, 02:41 AM | #62 |
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May 21st, 2012, 05:52 AM | #63 |
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Compared to the 250, a 650 feels fast as crap(I own both, and the 250 is jetted, piped andd has pod filters..).. Seriously, go test ride one. 1st gear wheelies are no problem. Im sure I could clutch it up in second if I tried. Its still pretty light so it handles good. That said I am planning on some suspension mods for the 650...
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May 21st, 2012, 06:13 AM | #64 | |
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May 21st, 2012, 08:25 AM | #65 |
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May 21st, 2012, 02:09 PM | #66 |
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My seat rules, is yours a 2012?
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May 21st, 2012, 02:28 PM | #67 |
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2006 The 2012 is pretty nice, I checked one out at the dealer not long ago. What I really want is a REAL "R" model 2012 Ninja 650 Adjustable suspension, radial brakes...Oh and about 15 more horsepower....would an 800cc version of this motor be possible..??(New design...not bore and stroke obviously) NO WEIGHT GAIN!!! Of course Ive priced the bike out of existance now...haha.. But yeah.. The Ninja 650 is the go to "NEW BIKE" when people ask what bike number 2 should be after having a 250cc something or whatever... |
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