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Old June 29th, 2014, 10:37 AM   #161
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damn, I actually want one of those rc390 bikes now
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Old June 29th, 2014, 11:00 AM   #162
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Let's petition for license cc limits in the USA so we get cooler low cc bikes.
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Old June 29th, 2014, 11:08 AM   #163
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"Rumors have it that Europe might get the KTM RC390 for under €6,000 ($8,110)"

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/kt...014-78147.html

Not sure how reliable this source is. 7k is the most they could sell this for here and hope to succeed. 8k price puts them too close to a 600cc sport bike.
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Old June 29th, 2014, 11:15 AM   #164
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Old June 29th, 2014, 01:18 PM   #165
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Old June 29th, 2014, 01:41 PM   #166
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8k price puts them too close to a 600cc sport bike.
For a used supersport, yeah. But let's compare apples to apples.

MSRP as of now:

Yamaha YZF-R6: $11,190
Suzuki GSX-R 600: $11,599
Honda CBR600RR: $11,490
Kawasaki ZX-6R: $11,699

So for the price of a brand-new RC390 PLUS a good used Ninjette, you can buy one new 600.

Sounds more attractive now, doesn't it?
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Old June 29th, 2014, 06:42 PM   #167
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This bike appeals to such a larger crowd than most small displacement bikes. Its has just enough power to keep it interesting for many riders and make it appealing as a beginner bike and then it has the looks and the components to make it appealing to even more riders.

the majority of people think of the ninja's, small cbr's as beginner/learner bikes. a bike you buy and then sell with in a year or so. The rc390 would not get lumped with them quite as much, for some people this would be a one stop shop. Not balls as crazy for a beginner but plenty interesting for even a veteran rider.

I still don't like the single cylinder, only thing i can really find to gripe about but that's one of the ways they keep the weight so low.

regardless still no news for USA. Keeps eyes and ears East ward. India was rumored to see it as soon as July, more likely Oct. Nov.

I have said it before, Duke has been out for a while there and i am pretty sure Europe has it and we don't even have any info on the duke so that makes things for the RC390 look pretty distant. Late 15 at earliest i would think.

With the right parts on it people would pay 8k for this bike no problem.

Prices have been discussed in the past with expected UK MSRP and then the conversion to USD and the price difference factored in.... i can't remember what it came out to be but it was reasonable but who cares still no word, time will tell
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Old June 29th, 2014, 06:52 PM   #168
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I agree with adouglas
apples to apples the rc390 being around $8,000 is a perfectly fair price in the US. It'll be a bit of a niche buy but it would sell its share. As it is if it comes to the US and anything happens to my N300 *knock on wood* I would be very tempted to get one
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Isn't KTM's RC8 also kind of a niche buy? I've only ever seen one in the hands of some control riders at the track. I've never seen one around town or when out riding.
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pretty much all of ktms street bikes are niche buys other than the duke which they sell as sporty commuter bikes for a price below their competition.
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After riding the 690 duke the rc390 is going to be the euro snob brother of the ninja 300. The duke 690 is super fun but not something I would call fast. I would think that the ninja 300 would be neck and neck with the 390.

The 690 only saw 115 mph screaming its head off down the front straight at thunderhill. Around town the bike is a riot. On track it's like a very fast 300.
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Isn't KTM's RC8 also kind of a niche buy? I've only ever seen one in the hands of some control riders at the track. I've never seen one around town or when out riding.
Met someone who used to own the RC8. He said he hated it. The throttle is an on/off switch no matter how gentle you were with it. He was a track rider though
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Old June 29th, 2014, 08:55 PM   #174
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After riding the 690 duke the rc390 is going to be the euro snob brother of the ninja 300. The duke 690 is super fun but not something I would call fast. I would think that the ninja 300 would be neck and neck with the 390.

The 690 only saw 115 mph screaming its head off down the front straight at thunderhill. Around town the bike is a riot. On track it's like a very fast 300.
You do have to take Into account that one is a naked and one is fully faired... The wind resistance on that thing alone would make it much slower. It's like the rider is acting like a sail. Give that 690 full fairings and rearset footpegs and then it's a fair comparison.
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True about the aero. Better example. At Laguna seca I outpowered the 690 by a pretty large margin. Off of turn 11 I would close the gap so fast on my friend. The 848 is about as fast as a newer 600. So it's no super power house. I'd say the sv650 is a little faster than the duke.
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the RC390 will have ~8-9 HP on the N300 stock, and be down close to 40lbs on weight.

The single should shell out a broader torque curve giving it a lot of useful power in almost any scenario.

better brakes, better suspension, both bikes in the hands of the same skilled rider I don't see the N300 "competing" JMO

If I had no bike, I would love to get a rc390 if they come to the US. I think it would be a great fun bike for quite some time. A bike that most people could be happy with for a while. But....since I already have a bike and a little 2fiddy at that if I were to get another bike I don't think I could get an rc390, it's just not that exciting to me as a second bike.
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the RC390 will have ~8-9 HP on the N300 stock, and be down close to 40lbs on weight.

The single should shell out a broader torque curve giving it a lot of useful power in almost any scenario.

better brakes, better suspension, both bikes in the hands of the same skilled rider I don't see the N300 "competing" JMO

If I had no bike, I would love to get a rc390 if they come to the US. I think it would be a great fun bike for quite some time. A bike that most people could be happy with for a while. But....since I already have a bike and a little 2fiddy at that if I were to get another bike I don't think I could get an rc390, it's just not that exciting to me as a second bike.
Agreed. If I wanted to trade the 250 for it, I'd get the RC390. Since I'm gonna keep this thing pretty much forever, if I was gonna spend ~8k on a RC390 I would just spend ~15k on a S1krr.

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It's going to be about $3,500 in India, so I'm sure it won't be $8,000 in the US. As a rough comparison the CBR250R costs about 3000$ in India, so you can compare that to the US price and get an estimate... I would say it will be sub $6,000.
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For a used supersport, yeah. But let's compare apples to apples.

MSRP as of now:

Yamaha YZF-R6: $11,190
Suzuki GSX-R 600: $11,599
Honda CBR600RR: $11,490
Kawasaki ZX-6R: $11,699

So for the price of a brand-new RC390 PLUS a good used Ninjette, you can buy one new 600.

Sounds more attractive now, doesn't it?

This highlights the cost inflation of the m/c market. Not a single 600 under 11K msrp - IRC 4 years ago they were all right around 10K.
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^new electronic du dads cost money, abs, electronic this, that ect...
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^new electronic du dads cost money, abs, electronic this, that ect...
Not sure. Take the R6. Basically the same bike since 2006. The Honda, exact same since 2007. Suzuki, few improvements. The Kawasaki has changed 3 times and offers the best features of these four. Why does it cost the same as the others? I.e. the others should not be the same price.
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Not sure. Take the R6. Basically the same bike since 2006.
yeah, i dunno, just trying to come up with something, I know some bikes have some new electronic stuff but don't know about all of them.

But regardless, cost of labor ect... it all adds up in the end
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Original post 11/2013. Almost 2 Years ago. Could this be "vaporware"?
Is old3's info accurate? Probably
At Scuderia in S.F. they STILL don't have a duke390 how many years later.
I went to put a deposit on an RC. I asked how many deposits they've gotten so far. 6! (I would've been 7) That was a year ago.

Think Scuderia has more deposits or less today? Im thinking none.
Does motorcycle production lag so far behind that a 2014 gets put in the showroom in Sept-December. Seems auto showrooms usually have the next years model ready to buy.

I bought a 2012 ninja 250 in 2012 so Kawasaki sells what it makes in the year they made and marketed it.
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sir...11/2013 is 9 months ago. And they are building the bike in other parts of the world.

However, yes it sux that many bikes sold abroad do not get brought here. Especially small c.c. bike due to Americans viewpoint.
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However, yes it sux that many bikes sold abroad do not get brought here. Especially small c.c. bike due to Americans viewpoint.
Yep.

Pandering to the American stereotype has always ticked me off. Back in the 80s you couldn't find a decent hatchback in the U.S., but the Europeans were swimming in them. The rationale? Americans don't buy hatchbacks.

WE WOULD IF YOU'D IMPORT THEM, YOU MORONS.

Fast forward to today. What's popular? Hot hatches.

Sheesh.

Bring that bike here and people will buy it!

The market is starting to turn. Supersports are on the decline and we're seeing a lot of more mainstream, smaller displacement bikes. We now have actual choice in the low end of the market thanks to Honda and maybe, just maybe, Yamaha. There are now 500-class machines, a niche that's been vacant for years. And Honda has now come out with a sporty middleweight in the CBR650.

Flavor of the month these days is nakeds. They're cool, but that will pass too once people realize that a naked bike wears you out on the highway.
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Original post 11/2013. Almost 2 Years ago. Could this be "vaporware"?
Is old3's info accurate? Probably
At Scuderia in S.F. they STILL don't have a duke390 how many years later.
I went to put a deposit on an RC. I asked how many deposits they've gotten so far. 6! (I would've been 7) That was a year ago.

Think Scuderia has more deposits or less today? Im thinking none.
Does motorcycle production lag so far behind that a 2014 gets put in the showroom in Sept-December. Seems auto showrooms usually have the next years model ready to buy.

I bought a 2012 ninja 250 in 2012 so Kawasaki sells what it makes in the year they made and marketed it.
WTF KTM?
Whats a KTM?
I don't even think the rc390 has been officially launched in India so no surprises that USA release isn't even on the horizon. Europe will get it later than India and if we get it at all we will get it after Europe so like it's been said 100 times mid to late 2015 most likely at the earliest.

The whole duke 390 thing? that is a little more confusing. My thinking is that KTM never planned on bringing the duke 390 to the USA because of USA bike stereotypes. Which was part of the reason for the rc390, to appeal more to the US.

Perhaps they are planning on releasing both in close intervals for some reason or simply not the duke at all I also think they us the India release to work out some kinks in the bikes for the next year model so they can have a slightly more refined product for the US but WTF do I know?
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If the USA hasn't got the Duke yet (?)
which has been available everywhere else, you probably wont get the RC at all.
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Maybe by the end of this year or early of next year. RC390 looks really nice and I don't care if it's a single.
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September 9 launch for KTM’s RC twins

Here come the faired versions of the KTM Duke 390 and 200!

If that’s what you think when you look at the RC twins, then we suggest you take a closer look.

More than dressed-up Dukes, the RC twins are actually proper thoroughbred track machines. You see, the underpinnings; though shared with their respective Duke cousins, have been extensively redone.

What you get is a shorter wheelbase (2.7cm shorter than the Duke), a higher seating position (0.8cm higher) and a steeper rake angle. The front suspension travel is down to 12.5cm (the Duke’s front suspension travel is around 15cm), fuel tank capacity is down by a litre, and it weighs 8 kilos more than the Duke. For more stats to help kickstart your trump card game, please visit the KTM website.

While the chassis has been tweaked, the engines remain untouched. The RC390’s 373cc motor makes 43bhp, and the RC 200’s 199.5cc motor makes 25 horses. The RC twins are meant to be track-devouring beasts that can be ridden on the road. The riding position will be far more aggressive than that of any bike sold in this segment in India.

KTM will be launching the bikes on September 9, and that's when we'll have prices for you. For the ride report, you will have to wait just a little longer, as we'll start nagging KTM for the RCs soon after launch.
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^ I actually quite like the front end
it's unique, though it does remind me a bit of the R1 front end that I don't like
I'm not sure if I'd like it in person but the rest of the bike looks good so it'd be forgivable
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Still would like one but it ain't gonna happen.

Think it looks good, i think the front looks fine, i'm not saying it looks crazy sexy or anything but it doesn't look bad IMO, They take cues from the adventure bikes up front

Looks like it's gonna be a great bike, hopefully i get a chance to hop on one sooner or later.

With the Sept. India launch date late 2015 is looking more reasonable for the US if ever.
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like srsly who approved that..
I really have to disagree with you here. I like the way it looks but then i LOVE my Ducati 999 and it is considered one of the ugliest bikes Ducati ever made! My 999 has the headlights stacked over each other like the # 8 and this bike has them right next to each other -00- .

I still want to ride one of these before i say i actually want one but i have a feeling i will love it. Small and light little more power than the Ninja 250 with better suspension and brakes--whats not to love? Just have to wait n see if it hits the US of A!
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With the Sept. India launch date late 2015 is looking more reasonable for the US if ever.
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I really have to disagree with you here. I like the way it looks but then i LOVE my Ducati 999 and it is considered one of the ugliest bikes Ducati ever made! My 999 has the headlights stacked over each other like the # 8 and this bike has them right next to each other -00- .

I still want to ride one of these before i say i actually want one but i have a feeling i will love it. Small and light little more power than the Ninja 250 with better suspension and brakes--whats not to love? Just have to wait n see if it hits the US of A!
its a prolly the biggest butterface when it comes to sportbikes.

10/10 body with 1/10 face. srs who sat there and thought a sport body would look good with some terrible adventure styled front end...dafuq least the ducati 999 looks like a proper sportsbike, not some hybrid thing o.O
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If it came stateside at sub-6, I'd be in on one.
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Some good news for 'Straya and also you 'Muricans,
Ive been talking to a Journalist from www.mcnews.com.au who has been out on track at Auto Dromo di Modena in Italy on the RC390 today.



'Was a good day. Five crashes amongst the international press today but none of the four Aussies there went down. Was a challenging and busy little circuit even on the little 390.
Bike works really well, there was one flip-flop section with a bit of a dip that was a bit much for it so you had to kept it stood up a little through the second section otherwise the peg dug in and the back slid out.
Was bloody hot out there today, fairly humid and a bit over 30c shock to the system coming out of Victorian winter straight into summer weather and leathers.
Some really, really smart thinking in this bike. Check out the muffler outlet there integrated into the belly pan of the bike, the actual collector/muffler is where the shock linkage would normally be at the front and above the swingarm pivot, as the RC390 uses a PDS style shock with the shock mounted directly to the frame and no linkage, KTM have patented this style of exhaust system, it's clever.
The peg mounts are also via the swingarm pivot.
See the tail section... What looks like a cowl is actually the pillion seat that looks like a cowl, the whole tail section at the back there is actually some sort of compressable black substance that actually looks like a hard cowl, but actually is a perfectly functional seat... #trippy.
ABS is not low-rent option but is excellent latest generation Bosch 9MB set-up, and is fitted as standard. It can also be switched off.
Indicators are integrated into the mirror stalks at the front, there is a very narrow extension out of the back for the plate and tiny LED indicators, but the rear light and brake light is actually cleverly integrated into the bottom of that trippy tail section and while minimalist and hardly noticeable while looking at it, it actually is clearly visible in use. Haven't ridden it at night so can't rate the headlights.'


'Ergonomics are surprisingly good. Everything fell easy to hand and felt perfectly natural. Comfort was okay but as you would expect on a machine with sporty geometry like this and a more forward weight bias than the Duke 390 there was some weight on the wrists. Will be good training for those learners that are wanting to progress to a big sportsbike when off their learner restrictions'

Instrumentation is better than most bike costing many times as much. Full funtion trip computer, fuel gauge and programmable shift light etc. all in one large and fairly high resolution LCD. If it had remote tyre pressure read out and everything could be switched from the bar the instrumentation would score an A+ at any price point

I asked about a few things about the bike, rear suspension is non adjustable dampening, preload only, and November is the earliest we will see it in Australia.
Its been on KTM Au website all year-
http://www.ktm.com/au/supersport/rc-...l#.VAIxXRWwrIU

As for the USA (asked for you lot) 'American journos here with us definitely going there'



No doubt a full write up will be on http://www.mcnews.com.au/ in the near future.
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so it's confirmed to the US then? well rumor confirmed
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