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Old October 27th, 2010, 07:56 AM   #1
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Looks like it's official now:

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Old October 27th, 2010, 08:03 AM   #2
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Old October 27th, 2010, 08:03 AM   #3
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Hmmm looks nice and I like that it is FI, will have to see I it can take market share from the kawi and what the price point will be.
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Old October 27th, 2010, 08:07 AM   #4
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Wow FI...Love that. this definately give the Ninja 250 a run for its money.
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Old October 27th, 2010, 08:14 AM   #5
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Comparisons with ninja 250 (interestingly, both sites have different stats):

Lighter weight : 356 lb or 364 with optional ABS (nice feature)
Same fork diameter (37 mm)
Fuel injected
13 liter tank = a little under 3.5 gallons
64 or 76 mpg depending on the site you look at
110 front and 140 rear (also 17 in wheels)
30.7 in seat height so an inch higher
Single cylinder vs two cylinder
26 hp and 17 lb-ft max torque (slightly less hp with slightly more torque)

It'll be interesting to see how it fares, but competition is always good to keep manufacturers competitive and honest especially with pricing.
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Old October 27th, 2010, 08:56 AM   #6
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If this bike does in fact come to the US and sells well I wouldn't be surprised if Suzuki and Yamaha follow suit. I think the Honda is ugly as sin being a thumper makes it unappealing to me.
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Old October 27th, 2010, 09:01 AM   #7
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Hmmmm not a bad lookin competitor except for the goofy antennae lookin mirrors.

Hope its on display @ the International bike show in Nov. Can't wait to look at it,
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Old October 27th, 2010, 09:25 AM   #8
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Maybe this move will bring the 2 others we've been waiting for

GSX-R 250
YZF-250

This is such an important segment of the market. Beginner bikes are the machines that get people addicted to this sport/hobby.
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Old October 27th, 2010, 09:35 AM   #9
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I really like the littlest CBR from what that shows, minus the thumper aspect, but even that is not a deal breaker. I wonder what price point it will make it in at.
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Old October 27th, 2010, 09:49 AM   #10
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Maybe this move will bring the 2 others we've been waiting for

GSX-R 250
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This is such an important segment of the market. Beginner bikes are the machines that get people addicted to this sport/hobby.
It probably will...which means that the Ninja will finally come with FI and with other fancy add-ons.
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Old October 27th, 2010, 09:50 AM   #11
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It's a good looking bike.I like the the fact that it is fuel injected but I don't like that it is a single and the smaller size of the gas tank.
Maybe this will get Kawasaki to FI the bikes for the North American ,arket.
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Old October 27th, 2010, 09:51 AM   #12
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The digital dash, EFI and ABS are the only things that one might consider, but for looks, the Ninja 250R still wins.
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Old October 27th, 2010, 09:53 AM   #13
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It probably will...which means that the Ninja will finally come with FI and with other fancy add-ons.


can't wait for FI, damn the cold blooded carb to hell,
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Old October 27th, 2010, 10:17 AM   #15
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My Ninja250R is up for sale guys! LOL!

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Old October 27th, 2010, 10:29 AM   #16
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Hmmmm not a bad lookin competitor except for the goofy antennae lookin mirrors.

Hope its on display @ the International bike show in Nov. Can't wait to look at it,
I'd put up with some goofiness if I could see something other than my elbows!
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Old October 27th, 2010, 11:01 AM   #18
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Nice to see some competition for the ninja 250. Plus its not a bad looking bike.
the new-gen ninja still beats it in looks.
I guess it will all come down to the price of the honda. If it is anywhere close to the new ninja then kawi has some serious threat.
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Old October 27th, 2010, 11:42 AM   #19
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I don't like the looks of it but, I welcome the competition to the ninja. The first to make a full sport 250 or 400 would get me to switch over from my beloved ninja.
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It looks like this bike will be coming to the US.

Thai Honda had given Tyga Performance a heads up on this model and I think Tyga will actually have the bike very soon...

expect a LOT of parts from Tyga for this bike, everything from bodywork to engine/exhaust and more!!
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It's a good looking bike.I like the the fact that it is fuel injected but I don't like that it is a single and the smaller size of the gas tank.
Maybe this will get Kawasaki to FI the bikes for the North American ,arket.
+1 That would be great if they did release the FI to the US.
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Old October 27th, 2010, 12:01 PM   #22
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It looks like this bike will be coming to the US.

Thai Honda had given Tyga Performance a heads up on this model and I think Tyga will actually have the bike very soon...

expect a LOT of parts from Tyga for this bike, everything from bodywork to engine/exhaust and more!!
Post pics when you get it (unless you're under NDA) and ride reports vs. Ninja 250!
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Post pics when you get it (unless you're under NDA) and ride reports vs. Ninja 250!
Will do for sure, hopefully may get a chance late next month...fingers crossed!
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Old October 27th, 2010, 12:58 PM   #24
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Old October 27th, 2010, 01:00 PM   #25
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Speaking of awesome small displacement bikes: http://www.125duke.com/

I'm not sure what's happening, but there's definitely some positive changes going on here.


Oh and condolences if you're not getting the KTM bike.
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I hope Kawi brings FI to the states... I don't understand why they don't offer both... and call the FI an RR or something.... Carbies for cheap, FI for those who really love the 250....

I think the Honda looks GREAT! Not sure about the thumper, but won't opinionate until I've ridden one....

And if the CBR causes Kawi to bring the FI to the states, I wonder if Kawi could offer an FI retrofit kit for the 250.... that would be slick!
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I hope Kawi brings FI to the states....

And if the CBR causes Kawi to bring the FI to the states, I wonder if Kawi could offer an FI retrofit kit for the 250.... that would be slick!
I think Kawasaki will eventually make the US model Fi...not sure why they did not already considering the Thai model is injected.

I can look into the cost of the components if you want to switch over to FI!
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sure, but if it's only for reference, I'm not sure I'd actually do it.... I mean, we're looking at TB's, ECU, fuel-pump (tank?), O2 sensor, etc....

I was thinking TB's from a 600, a Microsquirt, stand-alone fuel pump and any ol O2 sensor would do the trick, but that's a project for a year from now....
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I'm not sure what's happening, but there's definitely some positive changes going on here.


Oh and condolences if you're not getting the KTM bike.


I talked to a KTM sales guy, and he said it's unlikely that the KTM 125 Duke will make it to America, due to the demand for liter bikes, and other bikes of the "super bike" nature.

Hopefully he's wrong, but it the 125 Duke came to the U.S., it would be pre-ordered. No doubt.
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Then you were thinking wrong. Most "Super Sport" 600s use a 38mm diameter throttle body. I know you might be doing the basic math and you're thinking that 600cc divided by 4 equals 150cc per cylinder which sounds close enough to 125cc. Makes you think you could get away with swapping two of those 38mm Super Sport 600 throttle bodies for your two EX-250 carbs, but you can't. It would be an air-flow disaster.

Every one of those Super Sport 600s have an ECU-controlled secondary butterfly system. This is the reason the design engineers can put 38mm throttle bodies on 150cc cylinders. The ECU-controlled secondary throttle bodies guarantee good low engine speed (off-idle) performance so the engineers can use a relatively gigantic (38mm on a 150cc cylinder) throttle body that makes really big horsepower at high RPM.

There is no secondary butterfly control available in MegaSquirt I, MegaSquirt II, Microsquirt, or MegaSquirt III.

Even non-Super Sport bikes are being equipped with ECU-controlled secondary butterflies. Two examples of "Sport" level bikes with secondary butterfly systems are the European EX-250 fuel injected version and the Ninja 650R. These bikes don't really need them but I think that the motorcycle engine design engineers are "spoiled" by having ECU-controlled secondary butterflies as a tool to fine-tune the bike's performance (especially idle and off-idle).

The European EX-250 fuel injected model uses 28mm throttle bodies. I used one of these Euro EX-250 throttle bodies in my 2005 EX-250 FI conversion. I removed the secondary butterfly system and they work great, but that's because they're sized correctly (28mm for a 125cc cylinder).
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carburated bikes arent that hard to warm up. also, they are easier to work on. i actually prefer my carbs to fuel-injection sometimes. plus, you dont have so many electronic components to go wrong.
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(when *isn't* that an appropriate response to just about any thread here? )
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There are great advantages to FI other than just the cold starting / cold running issues of small carbed bikes. One big one is how much less likely a rider has problems with a bike when it sits for any length of time. There are a bajillion threads on this board alone with "my bike won't start" topics, and if all of our bikes were FI, there would be less than a quarter bajillion, keeping all other variables constant.
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Judging by the MSRP of the 230cc Honda bikes , it looks like Honda would price this around $5000...I hope I am wrong.
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you can crack jokes all you want, but the fact remains that its not that hard to warm up a carb'd bike. if it was that hard for you, you would have bought a FI bike by now. most people are just so dang impatient, that they think its a hinderance to have to wait 5-10 minutes while the bike warms.
Okay, I was just joking. I don't really have anything against Carbs, they're just "old-tech" and there's no denying that FI has advantages.

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You didn't read my response to Spooph's post. If you had you would know that I did change to FI. I did it by building and installing my own custom FI system on my 2005 EX-250.
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Judging by the MSRP of the 230cc Honda bikes , it looks like Honda would price this around $5000...I hope I am wrong.
Doubtful.

Honda wants a good piece of the 250 market Kawi's claimed in the U.S. And to do that they need to stay within the same price range. They will likely price the bike somewhere near the $4399 mark. And the fact that it a single is another reason to keep the price in that range.
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Doubtful.

Honda wants a good piece of the 250 market Kawi's claim in the U.S. And to do that they need within the same price range. They will likely price the bike somewhere near the $4399 mark. And the fact that it a single is another reason to keep the price in that range.
Honda will market the FI and ABS as an excuse for the higher price tag plus I am sure that Honda will market this bike like crazy..given the popularity of the ninja
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you are probably right. it will be high-priced because it is fresh to the US, so to speak.
Or they'll go the Kawasaki route and price it well, and once they see it gaining sales they'll increase the price.
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Honda will market the FI and ABS as an excuse for the higher price tag.
The ABS is optional which will most likely be another grand (I could be wrong...didn't read the fine details).

But you know what, Honda has always been a bit more expensive than the rest so you guys could be right. But if their marketing dept were smart they'd price it as competitive as the Ninja250R.

Remember the NSF100? A lot of people had interest in the bike until they priced it $5K and the interest was no longer there. $5K for a 100cc bike? A couple years passed and dealers were just trying to get rid of them and dropped the price to $3500. A huge mistake by Honda IMO cuz those things could have sold like hot pancakes if priced at a reasonably affordable price from the geckgo.
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