blown transmission #2

alex.s · August 4th, 2012, 11:19 AM

blew the main output shaft bearing. also the used ebay transmission i bought has a bent output shaft. so i'm going to combine parts from the two since i have a straight output shaft and the other one has good bearings. already cleaned everything out and had put the "new" transmission in which supposedly was in perfect condition (****ing ebay liars) and notice a slight click when rotating the two gear sets together so i examined it more closely and its just slightly bent.

anyway heres some pics of the damage... you cant really tell from this angle but inside the bearing the bal cage is completely destroyed and pretty much disintegrated luckily nothing else was damaged by the debris

Jiggles · August 4th, 2012, 11:27 AM

I envy your mechanical knowledge

alex.s · August 4th, 2012, 11:29 AM

someone tells me its actually my lack of mechanical knowledge that gets me into these situations... sometimes i think that person might be right.

alex.s · August 4th, 2012, 11:31 AM

oh i forgot to mention. one of my chain links had started to freeze up and i thought it was acceptable to leave it for a little bit longer. i guess i was wrong. pretty sure it was freezing up because i pressed the master link too tightly. so there you go... improper chain link pressing and boom goes your tranny. but then i have been known to jump to conclusions.

Jiggles · August 4th, 2012, 11:33 AM

Well your miles ahead of me, the most involved thing I've done is carb work

cuong-nutz · August 4th, 2012, 11:38 AM

Damn and I thought I had some bad luck! How much did the eBay tranny cost you? I'd dispute the transaction or recoup some money back if it were possible.

alex.s · August 4th, 2012, 11:42 AM

it was like $50 and came with a new internal breather protector thing (mine was damaged) and crank balancer and some other parts besides the transmission... really the only thing damaged was the output shaft itself. i'll keep the set for parts in the future. maybe i can get a buddy to straighten the shaft or something.

Motofool · August 4th, 2012, 12:13 PM

Sorry to see that, Alex.

Check that the outer ring didn't spin in the aluminum.

I have seen that damage in bikes abused with wheelies and over-tight chains.

Improper installation that introduces an axial load on the bearing can also destroy it, but I don't think this applies in this case.

I doubt that the shaft can be straighten up, but I hope I am wrong.

alex.s · August 4th, 2012, 12:39 PM

no intentional wheelies but plenty of quick starts and a -1 front sprocket added to the load. the chain was a bit too loose but the master link was binding a bit. i think i dun broke'd it

Motofool · August 4th, 2012, 01:18 PM

It is hard to believe that the binding link could add enough load as to be critical; before failure, it would have produced a lot of vibration and noise, I guess.

Time for autopsy:

http://www.skf.com/portal/skf/home/p...nk=5_15_022000

http://www.skf.com/files/099926.pdf

Racer x · August 4th, 2012, 01:35 PM

I got ceramic bearings from World Bearings for my trans. They make a full
Set for the 250 ninja. The owners wife rides a 250
Ninja.

Bob2010 · August 4th, 2012, 01:52 PM

so, how is this happening? So others can avoid doing, whatever it is, that you are doing

Racer x · August 4th, 2012, 03:21 PM

In my case I was on the dyno. I made a hard pull and turned off the motor. I wanted the talk to the dyno operator.The rear wheel was spinning and so is the chain and output shaft. Half the gear cluster is spinning when the engine is off and the rear wheel is turning. The problem is the engine oil pump lubricates the transmission as well as the engine. So turning off the engine cut the oil to the trams and it locked up.

Rudiger · August 5th, 2012, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer x

Half the gear cluster is spinning when the engine is off and the rear wheel is turning. The problem is the engine oil pump lubricates the transmission as well as the engine. So turning off the engine cut the oil to the trams and it locked up.

Is this true in gear clutch out, in gear with clutch in, neutral, or all the above?

So is coasting engine off something you should never do?

Motofool · August 5th, 2012, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudiger

..........is coasting engine off something you should never do?

Racer x · August 5th, 2012, 09:41 AM

If you tow a bike like that you should remove the chain. The shaft that has the output sprocket is turning on a ball bearing. But inside the gears are turning on the shaft. When I turned off my engine the fifth sprocket welded itself to the output shaft.

I don't think drifting a short distance will hurt anything. On the dyno there is a 1000 lb drum . It nearly slows down. When you. Shut off your motor on the street . The bike drifts to a stop quickly.

lgk · August 5th, 2012, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer x

I got ceramic bearings from World Bearings for my trans. They make a full
Set for the 250 ninja. The owners wife rides a 250
Ninja.

been interested in these for a while.
i know there is less friction with these, but will they withstand more load than the standard bearing?

ryan.chin · August 5th, 2012, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiggles

I envy your mechanical knowledge

Me too, man.

alex.s · August 5th, 2012, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer x

In my case I was on the dyno. I made a hard pull and turned off the motor. I wanted the talk to the dyno operator.The rear wheel was spinning and so is the chain and output shaft. Half the gear cluster is spinning when the engine is off and the rear wheel is turning. The problem is the engine oil pump lubricates the transmission as well as the engine. So turning off the engine cut the oil to the trams and it locked up.

even if it wasn't firing wouldn't the rotating crank turn the oil pump and still pump oil? oh not if its in neutral.

alex.s · August 5th, 2012, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer x

In my case I was on the dyno. I made a hard pull and turned off the motor. I wanted the talk to the dyno operator.The rear wheel was spinning and so is the chain and output shaft. Half the gear cluster is spinning when the engine is off and the rear wheel is turning. The problem is the engine oil pump lubricates the transmission as well as the engine. So turning off the engine cut the oil to the trams and it locked up.

**** now that i think about it, every day coming home from work i turn my engine off and coast in neutral about a quarter mile in my complex to my parking spot.................. i've been doing this for at least 2 years..................****.

n4mwd · August 5th, 2012, 01:03 PM

Alex, you and me seem to have a bad habit of buying stuff from ebay that turns out to be crap.

Coasting a quarter mile may not be that good for it, but I have a hard time believing that it would cause the kind of damage you have. The tranny uses ball and roller bearings. Even with the oil pump off, I believe that there is still plenty of oil on the balls to run without out damage for 30 seconds or so with no load.

In your case, I believe that its related to the constant pounding from the bad link and also possibly because the chain may have been too tight. This is exactly the kind of damage I would expect from an excessively tight chain.

Anyhow, good luck with it. I know it sucks for sure.

Racer x · August 5th, 2012, 02:18 PM

I agree. A bad link will pound a ball bearing to bits. I really don't think coasting for even a quarter mile will hurt anything. What I did on the dyno was a fluke.

I don't think ceramic would be better. Maybe worse. But you should not have a stuck link in the first place.

alex.s · September 11th, 2012, 03:53 PM

she lives.

not a single trip to the machine shop, either.

kinda funny. the engine right now is spotlessly clean while the rest of the bike is dirty dusty and covered in ****. thats kinda rare!

Jiggles · September 11th, 2012, 03:57 PM

Jesus ****! Finally!

alex.s · September 11th, 2012, 04:02 PM

oh i forgot the best part.

i couldn't get the old remains of the bearing off with all the pullers and clamp presses i could get my hands on. i had a dream about it and i implemented the solution the dream gave me.

the dremel cut the bearing race off in about 30 seconds. something i had tried to do "properly" the past month but failed.

lesson learned: if it doesnt come off and you dont need it anymore, cut the ****er off.

Asspire · September 11th, 2012, 04:42 PM

Alex's guide to owning a 250:

1. Blow transmission up
2. ?????
3. Profit!

Old Lemon · September 11th, 2012, 04:43 PM

is that the same bike you crashed in ur avatar?

alex.s · September 11th, 2012, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Lemon

is that the same bike you crashed in ur avatar?

yes. she has been crashed 3 times. hit by a car once.

Old Lemon · September 11th, 2012, 04:51 PM

dam man. good job. wish i could do that stuff.

and very nice yoshi

alex.s · September 11th, 2012, 05:01 PM

thank you. its not hard, if i can do it, you can do it.

n4mwd · September 11th, 2012, 06:30 PM

@alex.s - Just don't be tempted to put cheap Chinese bearings in there. They are half the price of European bearings, but only last a few weeks.

Glad its back up and running.

alex.s · September 12th, 2012, 09:17 AM

I used a used oem bearing but something tells me ill be replacing it again at some point

bdavison · September 12th, 2012, 10:14 AM

Can you change out that bearing without splitting the cases and opening up the bottom end? Just curious, I looked at mine last time I had the sprocket off...looked like I would have to press it out from the inside. Assuming it was still intact.

Fortunately, mine is still good, but this would be good to know.

alex.s · September 12th, 2012, 10:48 AM

the bearing locks into the case, so the case has to be split. you cant get a good grip on the bearing without disassembling the outer transmission half on the output shaft, so that needs to be disassembled. and if the bearing itsself is shattered, you wont be able to grip the bearing to pull the pressed on sleave for the outer oil seal, so you will need to cut it off in order to remove the broken bearing race.

the easy solution is buy a new transmission output shaft with a new bearing. if you are cheap like me, the new bearing is only $15. instead of $100 for a used transmission

its worth noting though there was other damaged caused by the transmission shaft knocking around, most notably the oil vent crankcase breather thingymabob on the inside of the case got all jacked up and had to be replaced

n4mwd · September 12th, 2012, 11:42 AM

Does anyone know how the oil breather thing works? Seems like they could have just used a PCV valve which is simpler.
Posted via Mobile Device

alex.s · September 12th, 2012, 11:51 AM

umm, theres a metal box that gets bolted to the top of the case.... hes got something inside... and a tube that runs to the bottom of the case.... outside of that, err... well... i have one i can cut open

alex.s · September 12th, 2012, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asspire

Alex's guide to owning a 250:

1. Blow transmission up
2. ?????
3. Profit!

correction:

1. Crash
2. Blow transmission up
3. Crash again
4. Blow transmission up again
5. ?????
6. Profit!

Nemesis · September 12th, 2012, 12:16 PM

Wait...so does this mean you're in for September's round?

n4mwd · September 12th, 2012, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

umm, theres a metal box that gets bolted to the top of the case.... hes got something inside... and a tube that runs to the bottom of the case.... outside of that, err... well... i have one i can cut open

I saw that thing in mine, but have no clue what it does to the oil or how it works. Seems like it siphons oil into that little tank somehow.

alex.s · September 12th, 2012, 02:08 PM

i think its just to try to keep oil from going out the vent

August 4th, 2012, 11:29 AM	#3
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August 4th, 2012, 11:31 AM	#4
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	oh i forgot to mention. one of my chain links had started to freeze up and i thought it was acceptable to leave it for a little bit longer. i guess i was wrong. pretty sure it was freezing up because i pressed the master link too tightly. so there you go... improper chain link pressing and boom goes your tranny. but then i have been known to jump to conclusions. __________________________________________________

August 4th, 2012, 11:33 AM	#5
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August 4th, 2012, 11:42 AM	#7
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	it was like $50 and came with a new internal breather protector thing (mine was damaged) and crank balancer and some other parts besides the transmission... really the only thing damaged was the output shaft itself. i'll keep the set for parts in the future. maybe i can get a buddy to straighten the shaft or something. __________________________________________________

August 4th, 2012, 11:27 AM	#2
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	I envy your mechanical knowledge __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

August 4th, 2012, 12:13 PM	#8
Motofool Daily Ninjette rider Name: Hernan Location: Florida Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninja 250 Posts: A lot. MOTY - 2016, MOTM - Dec '12, Jan '14, Jan '15, May '16	Sorry to see that, Alex. Check that the outer ring didn't spin in the aluminum. I have seen that damage in bikes abused with wheelies and over-tight chains. Improper installation that introduces an axial load on the bearing can also destroy it, but I don't think this applies in this case. I doubt that the shaft can be straighten up, but I hope I am wrong. __________________________________________________ *Motofool* *.................................Never ride faster than your guardian angel can fly* "Mankind is composed of two sorts of men — those who love and create, and those who hate and destroy. Love is the bond between men, the way to teach and the center of the world." - José Martí

August 4th, 2012, 12:39 PM	#9
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	no intentional wheelies but plenty of quick starts and a -1 front sprocket added to the load. the chain was a bit too loose but the master link was binding a bit. i think i dun broke'd it __________________________________________________

August 4th, 2012, 01:18 PM	#10
Motofool Daily Ninjette rider Name: Hernan Location: Florida Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninja 250 Posts: A lot. MOTY - 2016, MOTM - Dec '12, Jan '14, Jan '15, May '16	It is hard to believe that the binding link could add enough load as to be critical; before failure, it would have produced a lot of vibration and noise, I guess. Time for autopsy: http://www.skf.com/portal/skf/home/p...nk=5_15_022000 http://www.skf.com/files/099926.pdf __________________________________________________ *Motofool* *.................................Never ride faster than your guardian angel can fly* "Mankind is composed of two sorts of men — those who love and create, and those who hate and destroy. Love is the bond between men, the way to teach and the center of the world." - José Martí

August 4th, 2012, 01:35 PM	#11
Racer x ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Eric Location: Iowa City Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Kawmeracchi 350 2010 Project X Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 54 MOTM - Sep '18, Feb '16	I got ceramic bearings from World Bearings for my trans. They make a full Set for the 250 ninja. The owners wife rides a 250 Ninja.

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August 4th, 2012, 03:21 PM	#13
Racer x ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Eric Location: Iowa City Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Kawmeracchi 350 2010 Project X Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 54 MOTM - Sep '18, Feb '16	In my case I was on the dyno. I made a hard pull and turned off the motor. I wanted the talk to the dyno operator.The rear wheel was spinning and so is the chain and output shaft. Half the gear cluster is spinning when the engine is off and the rear wheel is turning. The problem is the engine oil pump lubricates the transmission as well as the engine. So turning off the engine cut the oil to the trams and it locked up.

August 5th, 2012, 09:41 AM	#16
Racer x ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Eric Location: Iowa City Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Kawmeracchi 350 2010 Project X Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 54 MOTM - Sep '18, Feb '16	If you tow a bike like that you should remove the chain. The shaft that has the output sprocket is turning on a ball bearing. But inside the gears are turning on the shaft. When I turned off my engine the fifth sprocket welded itself to the output shaft. I don't think drifting a short distance will hurt anything. On the dyno there is a 1000 lb drum . It nearly slows down. When you. Shut off your motor on the street . The bike drifts to a stop quickly.

August 5th, 2012, 01:03 PM	#21
n4mwd ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: D Location: Palm Beach, FL Join Date: Oct 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Ninja 250R, 2007 EFI Ninja 250R Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 1	Alex, you and me seem to have a bad habit of buying stuff from ebay that turns out to be crap. Coasting a quarter mile may not be that good for it, but I have a hard time believing that it would cause the kind of damage you have. The tranny uses ball and roller bearings. Even with the oil pump off, I believe that there is still plenty of oil on the balls to run without out damage for 30 seconds or so with no load. In your case, I believe that its related to the constant pounding from the bad link and also possibly because the chain may have been too tight. This is exactly the kind of damage I would expect from an excessively tight chain. Anyhow, good luck with it. I know it sucks for sure. __________________________________________________ My Ninja Blog Proud member of ABATE.My NYC Road Rage documentary - CENSORED!

August 5th, 2012, 02:18 PM	#22
Racer x ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Eric Location: Iowa City Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Kawmeracchi 350 2010 Project X Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 54 MOTM - Sep '18, Feb '16	I agree. A bad link will pound a ball bearing to bits. I really don't think coasting for even a quarter mile will hurt anything. What I did on the dyno was a fluke. I don't think ceramic would be better. Maybe worse. But you should not have a stuck link in the first place.

September 11th, 2012, 03:53 PM	#23
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	she lives. not a single trip to the machine shop, either. kinda funny. the engine right now is spotlessly clean while the rest of the bike is dirty dusty and covered in ****. thats kinda rare! __________________________________________________

September 11th, 2012, 03:57 PM	#24
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	Jesus ****! Finally! __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

September 11th, 2012, 04:02 PM	#25
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	oh i forgot the best part. i couldn't get the old remains of the bearing off with all the pullers and clamp presses i could get my hands on. i had a dream about it and i implemented the solution the dream gave me. the dremel cut the bearing race off in about 30 seconds. something i had tried to do "properly" the past month but failed. lesson learned: if it doesnt come off and you dont need it anymore, cut the ****er off. __________________________________________________

September 11th, 2012, 04:42 PM	#26
Asspire Fix It Till Ya Break It Name: Asspyre Location: T.Dot Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 08 250RRrrrr Posts: 623	Alex's guide to owning a 250: 1. Blow transmission up 2. ????? 3. Profit!

September 11th, 2012, 04:43 PM	#27
Old Lemon Lays er down Name: Michael Location: Maryland Join Date: Apr 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Lime green Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.	is that the same bike you crashed in ur avatar?

September 11th, 2012, 04:51 PM	#29
Old Lemon Lays er down Name: Michael Location: Maryland Join Date: Apr 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Lime green Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.	dam man. good job. wish i could do that stuff. and very nice yoshi

September 11th, 2012, 05:01 PM	#30
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	thank you. its not hard, if i can do it, you can do it. __________________________________________________

September 11th, 2012, 06:30 PM	#31
n4mwd ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: D Location: Palm Beach, FL Join Date: Oct 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Ninja 250R, 2007 EFI Ninja 250R Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 1	@alex.s - Just don't be tempted to put cheap Chinese bearings in there. They are half the price of European bearings, but only last a few weeks. Glad its back up and running. __________________________________________________ My Ninja Blog Proud member of ABATE.My NYC Road Rage documentary - CENSORED!

September 12th, 2012, 09:17 AM	#32
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	I used a used oem bearing but something tells me ill be replacing it again at some point __________________________________________________

September 12th, 2012, 10:14 AM	#33
bdavison Wartown, USA Name: Bryan Location: Warner Robins, GA Join Date: Nov 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R SE, 2007 Ninja 650R, and assorted other bikes Posts: A lot.	Can you change out that bearing without splitting the cases and opening up the bottom end? Just curious, I looked at mine last time I had the sprocket off...looked like I would have to press it out from the inside. Assuming it was still intact. Fortunately, mine is still good, but this would be good to know.

September 12th, 2012, 10:48 AM	#34
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	the bearing locks into the case, so the case has to be split. you cant get a good grip on the bearing without disassembling the outer transmission half on the output shaft, so that needs to be disassembled. and if the bearing itsself is shattered, you wont be able to grip the bearing to pull the pressed on sleave for the outer oil seal, so you will need to cut it off in order to remove the broken bearing race. the easy solution is buy a new transmission output shaft with a new bearing. if you are cheap like me, the new bearing is only $15. instead of $100 for a used transmission its worth noting though there was other damaged caused by the transmission shaft knocking around, most notably the oil vent crankcase breather thingymabob on the inside of the case got all jacked up and had to be replaced __________________________________________________

September 12th, 2012, 11:42 AM	#35
n4mwd ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: D Location: Palm Beach, FL Join Date: Oct 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Ninja 250R, 2007 EFI Ninja 250R Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 1	Does anyone know how the oil breather thing works? Seems like they could have just used a PCV valve which is simpler. Posted via Mobile Device

September 12th, 2012, 11:51 AM	#36
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	umm, theres a metal box that gets bolted to the top of the case.... hes got something inside... and a tube that runs to the bottom of the case.... outside of that, err... well... i have one i can cut open __________________________________________________

September 12th, 2012, 12:16 PM	#38
Nemesis CVMA #74 WSMC #750 Name: Nemesis Location: On the track Join Date: Oct 2009 Motorcycle(s): All of them Posts: A lot.	Wait...so does this mean you're in for September's round? __________________________________________________

September 12th, 2012, 02:08 PM	#40
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	i think its just to try to keep oil from going out the vent __________________________________________________

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