Info on Area P Exhaust Systems for the 2013 Ninja 300 - Page 4

old3 · December 7th, 2012, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kbryant

OEM Cat is in the new left side collector (Headpipe) - not in the muffler.

Thanks buddy! So you guys will not be offering a header to match up with stock or that spec slip on?

kbryant · December 7th, 2012, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by tnr4

Holy baby jesus. Although I would want the QuietCore myself, that 12" pipe sounds like an absolute freaking monster.

Do you have any decibel numbers? I'm specifically wondering how much louder the quiet core pipe is compared to stock, at idle and at around 9-10k.

Well done!

Thank you.

First number is Idle, second number is at 5000 rpm. As standard with all our tests, we use the accepted static dbA testing procedure at 20", 45 degree.

OEM Muffler/System 79 / 89
AP Std System, LQ Muffler 81 / 92
AP Std System, Std Muffler 87 / 102
AP Ultra Hi Mt, Std Muffler 85 / 99

kbryant · December 7th, 2012, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by old3

Thanks buddy! So you guys will not be offering a header to match up with stock or that spec slip on?

No sorry we won't. Full matched systems only.

adouglas · December 7th, 2012, 05:25 PM

You know what's so cool about all this? kbryant clearly knows his stuff inside and out, is willing to share openly and is darned good at communicating.

As a guy who makes his living communicating, I really like that.

gsxrninja250 · December 7th, 2012, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kbryant

Yep. But we're not going to show that one just yet. Those designs are inherently loud & simply do not make power. But, there is the appeal of that style for some people. We are going to explore it during testing.

I can't wait to see this one, especially if it mounts under the lower peg like a gsxr600 or a r6 I would love to see how that would look on this bike,

gsxrninja250 · December 7th, 2012, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kbryant

Never can tell.... You'd be without it for awhile. It's a two phase process - it comes in for all the final dyno testing, mapping, prototyping, fitment, final combos, sound bytes, etc. Then it can go away for awhile while we build all the tooling & fixtures based off those final prototypes. Then it has to come back again to check-fit the first production articles and make sure they match the prototypes, perform the same, fit perfectly, write all the final instructional data sheets, pictures, etc. With a "local" bike it can come & go between those two phases. With one shipped in, it has to stay put (from a practical standpoint). That process itself can be very time consuming when approaching it without compromise. And that's the only way we roll to bring you the best possible products.

Can we hear a sound byte soon?

S1att3r · December 7th, 2012, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by gsxrninja250

Can we hear a sound byte soon?

Check the post with the pictures Alex added the sound bytes there.

Byakkotai · December 7th, 2012, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by gsxrninja250

Can we hear a sound byte soon?

Scroll to the bottom of this?

S1att3r · December 7th, 2012, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Byakkotai

Scroll to the bottom of this?

That's it.

gsxrninja250 · December 7th, 2012, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by S1att3r

That's it.

Thanks! I over looked that =D

gsxrninja250 · December 7th, 2012, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rusninja

Its a real work of art i only wished it came out this year. :[ Cheers to all the non californias that dont have to deal with the stupid laws :[

Deal with what law? The db law that went into effect? That only portains to bikes maked after jan 1st 2013. So your in the clear! And they have to have reason to stop you and check your exhaust db, they cannot stop you just for that, its a 2ndary offence, (did some homework)

gsxrninja250 · December 7th, 2012, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by choneofakind

Is there a new law going into effect or something?

Yes there is, in california any bike made after jan 1st 2013 has to be in compliance with a db law, it sucks, but there's ways around it. And its a 2ndary offence.

choneofakind · December 7th, 2012, 10:36 PM

@gsxrninja250, based on my question, Alex linked us to the proper thread for the discussion on the CA law so we didn't go OT and gunk up this thread.

PS - there's a multi-quote feature so you don't have to quote people in separate posts and answer the same thing twice.

Byakkotai · December 7th, 2012, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by adouglas

You know what's so cool about all this? kbryant clearly knows his stuff inside and out, is willing to share openly and is darned good at communicating.

As a guy who makes is living communicating, I really like that.

That cannot be stated enough...love exclusives, I hope we continue to be special to the folks at Area P

I hope Eddie has other bikes to ride during this period. Looking forward to the next update and dispelling of rumors!

eddieA6987 · December 7th, 2012, 11:32 PM

It was a pleasure lending Kerry the bike. Cool dude smart as hell too. Explained the whole process even though I found my self lost a lot just wondering what all those terms meant. Also gave me a ride back to forth to get the bike.
Installed a clean looking fender eliminator because the one I had was home made and very ulgy also cleaned up my wiring which I hacked away at and new turn signals.

Tigerpaw · December 8th, 2012, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kbryant

Yes, they will. If you are interested, send me a PM.

Definitely interested.

PM sent.

gsxrninja250 · December 8th, 2012, 09:21 PM

@kbryant I was wondering, with he ultra high mount exhaust, is there gonna be any way to retain the passenger pegs? Or maybe make a option to keep them? (Incase any of use wanna do two up riding?) Or not likely?

kbryant · December 8th, 2012, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by gsxrninja250

@kbryant I was wondering, with he ultra high mount exhaust, is there gonna be any way to retain the passenger pegs? Or maybe make a option to keep them? (Incase any of use wanna do two up riding?) Or not likely?

We did look at that possibility. "If" someone wanted to retain the passenger peg(s), it would require a spacer block at least 2.0" long and new bolts at least 75mm long. From an engineering standpoint, we would be more than a little sketchy about that. Although we did not actually test it, I would tend to think the initial moment of leverage could really be an issue depending on the force and weight of the person pushing down on the peg. I would just not recommend it without thourghly checking and testing the engineering of it. Perhaps we'll look at it again when we do our first production system check-fit.

gsxrninja250 · December 9th, 2012, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by kbryant

We did look at that possibility. "If" someone wanted to retain the passenger peg(s), it would require a spacer block at least 2.0" long and new bolts at least 75mm long. From an engineering standpoint, we would be more than a little sketchy about that. Although we did not actually test it, I would tend to think the initial moment of leverage could really be an issue depending on the force and weight of the person pushing down on the peg. I would just not recommend it without thourghly checking and testing the engineering of it. Perhaps we'll look at it again when we do our first production system check-fit.

I hope so, that ultra high mounts super sexy, but I think it should be a option to keep the passenger pegs.

diwhiteii · December 9th, 2012, 10:54 AM

Hi Kerry,

I have been following the forum on the Ninja 300 exhaust and I have some quick questions for you. I am for sure going to want the ultra high mount exhaust and with that being said, on your website you have the picture of a ninja 250 race exhaust

Can this muffler in the picture work with the new ultra high mount?
Or are you coming out with Race full systems for the Ninja 300
Or are the new exhaust in production for the Ninja 300 race systems?
What are the difference between the race and regular full systems?

alex.s · December 9th, 2012, 12:47 PM

What are the final hp numbers on the ultra high race system with oem intake?

kbryant · December 9th, 2012, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by diwhiteii

Hi Kerry,

I have been following the forum on the Ninja 300 exhaust and I have some quick questions for you. I am for sure going to want the ultra high mount exhaust and with that being said, on your website you have the picture of a ninja 250 race exhaust

Can this muffler in the picture work with the new ultra high mount?
Or are you coming out with Race full systems for the Ninja 300
Or are the new exhaust in production for the Ninja 300 race systems?
What are the difference between the race and regular full systems?

Hi David - The 250r High Mount Race System muffler is the same spec as our 300 system "standard" muffler, for both the standard mount system and ultra high mount. Other than that, they really do not share any common features. The 300 system is very different from the 250r systems.

We are not classifing a difference between "race & regular full systems" on the 300 series. We were able to combine the best of both within these designs. Essentially you will simply differentiate them by standard mount and/or ultra high mount. The standard mount will also have the option of the long quiet core muffler. Performance increases, with the proper mapping, is very similar between all of them. We'll be showing dyno graphs next.

kbryant · December 9th, 2012, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by alex.s

What are the final hp numbers on the ultra high race system with oem intake?

Posting them shortly

kbryant · December 9th, 2012, 06:59 PM

Below are our dyno graphs from our initial R&D tuning sessions. We have created 7 base maps to work with initially and will continue to refine & perfect them, creating an even larger data base. In addition, as previously indicated, our partner in the FI Micro Programmer (Fuelmoto), will be getting one our production systems and creating even more maps under their perfect conditions. These maps will also include airbox delete (K&N Filter Pod). Under Fuelmoto's expert tuning hands, we believe the performance numbers will yield even better numbers.

We hope to have additional information up on our website within the next week, to include pricing, part numbers and additional technical data. We also have additional "bolt-on" performance parts undergoing R&D for the 300 as well.

Run #3 - Baseline stock run OEM exhaust. Run #28 - OEM exhaust with FI Micro Programmer, Snorkel removed, K&N Filter Panel direct replacement.

Run # 3 - Baseline stock run OEM exhaust. Run #80 - Area P Ultra High Mount System, Fi Micro Programmer, Snorkel removed, K&N Filter Panel direct replacement.

Run # 3 - Baseline stock run OEM exhaust. Run #56 - Area P Standard Mount System, Standard Muffler. FI Micro Programmer, Snorkel removed, K&N Filter Panel direct replacement. Run #80 -Area P Ultra High Mount System, Fi Micro Programmer, Snorkel removed, K&N Filter Panel direct replacement.

Run # 3 - Baseline stock run OEM exhaust. Run #56 - Area P Standard Mount System, Standard Muffler. FI Micro Programmer, Snorkel removed. K&N Filter Panel direct replacement. Run #80 -Area P Ultra High Mount System, Fi Micro Programmer, Snorkel removed, K&N Filter Panel direct replacement. Run #90 - Area P Standard System, Long Quiet Muffler, FI Micro Programmer, Snorkel removed, K&N Filter Panel direct replacement. As you can note, all versions of the Area P systems, with proper mapping, have very similiar performance characteristics. Especially noting that the Standard System with Long Quiet Muffler being very quiet as compared, yet offers excellent performance.

Run #3 - Baseline stock run OEM exhaust. Run #28 - OEM exhaust with FI Micro Programmer, Snorkel removed, K&N Filter Panel direct replacement. Run #40 - Slip-On prototype.

This last graph we included only to illustrate the reason why we will not be offering a Slip-On. We can get within .3 hp (yes, 3/10th) as much performance from our FI Micro Programmer (at peak) and the OEM muffler, as with a Slip-On (and our Micro Programmer). We gave it every oppertunity, including many different design versions. And further, without the FI Programmer, we struggled to get a Slip-On to perform as good as stock!

A Slip-On is reasonably easy to design & manufacture. So believe me, if a Slip-On offered more performance than what we have noted (and remember that's with our FI Micro Programmer as well), we would be offering one. So just like we found on the 250R, a significant "performance" increase just isn't there with a Slip-On.

diwhiteii · December 9th, 2012, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kbryant

Hi David - The 250r High Mount Race System muffler is the same spec as our 300 system "standard" muffler, for both the standard mount system and ultra high mount. Other than that, they really do not share any common features. The 300 system is very different from the 250r systems.

We are not classifing a difference between "race & regular full systems" on the 300 series. We were able to combine the best of both within these designs. Essentially you will simply differentiate them by standard mount and/or ultra high mount. The standard mount will also have the option of the long quiet core muffler. Performance increases, with the proper mapping, is very similar between all of them. We'll be showing dyno graphs next.

Hi Kerry,

Thanks for the fast response. I understand now. So just to clarify the muffler in the picture has a flat top at the end of the muffler can I get that same muffler on the ultra high mount system?

Thanks

David

sharky nrk · December 9th, 2012, 08:33 PM

Wow, very nearly 40whp. Thumbs up!!!!!!!

kbryant · December 9th, 2012, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by diwhiteii

Hi Kerry,

Thanks for the fast response. I understand now. So just to clarify the muffler in the picture has a flat top at the end of the muffler can I get that same muffler on the ultra high mount system?

Thanks

David

That's our Flat Conical Billet End Cap and yes it's available as an option.

gsxrninja250 · December 9th, 2012, 08:55 PM

Now I'm curious to know what these are gonna cost!
Do we find out soon?

diwhiteii · December 9th, 2012, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kbryant

That's our Flat Conical Billet End Cap and yes it's available as an option.

Perfect! I am in. I will want to get the pod filters as well. As this is what I have on my custom fuel injection Ninja 250R. Do you think the Power Command V with ignition controls will provide a little more torque if you advance the timing? Otherwise I will do the micro fuel moto?

kbryant · December 9th, 2012, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sharky nrk

Wow, very nearly 40whp. Thumbs up!!!!!!!

Yep. As stated earlier, i think Fuelmoto will get us to 40+ with further refinements to our map data base(s), better air, and possibly the filter pods or other things we will discover through continuous R&D.

Surferboy120 · December 9th, 2012, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kbryant

Yep. As stated earlier, i think Fuelmoto will get us to 40+ with further refinements to our map data base(s), better air, and possibly the filter pods or other things we will discover through continuous R&D.

Great information thank you for sharing with us all. Was this AF adjustments only?

Jiggles · December 9th, 2012, 10:37 PM

Bet the OP can't wait to get his hands on one...

choneofakind · December 9th, 2012, 10:50 PM

...yeah, especially after all that leg humping.

rusninja · December 10th, 2012, 12:07 AM

I wish but with the new law I think police will be revenue happy enough seeing a modded bike. That ultra high is a real looker though. :]

gsxrninja250 · December 10th, 2012, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by rusninja

I wish but with the new law I think police will be revenue happy enough seeing a modded bike. That ultra high is a real looker though. :]

Unless your bike was made after january first 2013, your motorcycle is exempt from the new db law.

Alex · December 10th, 2012, 07:46 AM

That's not entirely true, as listed here. But let's please leave the CA law discussion in that other thread.

kbryant · December 10th, 2012, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by diwhiteii

Perfect! I am in. I will want to get the pod filters as well. As this is what I have on my custom fuel injection Ninja 250R. Do you think the Power Command V with ignition controls will provide a little more torque if you advance the timing? Otherwise I will do the micro fuel moto?

As stated in post (90), we really just stick with just A/F mapping. We just don't see huge differences when adjusting timing in most cases, along with the potential consequences noted. When Dynojet adjusted timing on the euro 250I version, they did not note any significant changes. So there is the "assuming" the 300 will be similar in that regard. We've seen excellent increases across the board with A/F mapping. We'll be sticking with that for now.

That being said, when we get the bike and production systems to Fuelmoto for additional map R&D, and to also test the airbox delete mod, they will also be checking timing adjustments on a PCV. It's always possible to see additional improvments with Timing, but it will be surprising if it does.

The FI Micro Programmer is the way to go. It's smaller, user friendly, and costs about $60 or so (street price) less than a PCV. You also get a two year warranty on it.

kbryant · December 10th, 2012, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Surferboy120

Great information thank you for sharing with us all. Was this AF adjustments only?

Yep. A/F only. Along with numerous adjustments/changes to the exhaust design as we went along with the R&D process

.

phrenetiK · December 10th, 2012, 08:51 AM

You said before, full system will not be a lot more than the 250 full system correct?
And we are about 8 weeks from any units shipping out?

kbryant · December 10th, 2012, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by phrenetiK

You said before, full system will not be a lot more than the 250 full system correct?
And we are about 8 weeks from any units shipping out?

From post #98 - "We estimate the prices on the exhaust will be similar to our 250 race systems. The 300 is much more complex to build, but it should be similar." In addition, we hope to firm all the pricing structures up later this week.

Yes, we estimate about 8 weeks before being ready for shipping.

December 9th, 2012, 12:47 PM	#141
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	What are the final hp numbers on the ultra high race system with oem intake? __________________________________________________

December 9th, 2012, 06:59 PM	#144
kbryant Area P Name: Kerry Location: SoCal & South Florida Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): Too many to list Posts: 439	Below are our dyno graphs from our initial R&D tuning sessions. We have created 7 base maps to work with initially and will continue to refine & perfect them, creating an even larger data base. In addition, as previously indicated, our partner in the FI Micro Programmer (Fuelmoto), will be getting one our production systems and creating even more maps under their perfect conditions. These maps will also include airbox delete (K&N Filter Pod). Under Fuelmoto's expert tuning hands, we believe the performance numbers will yield even better numbers. We hope to have additional information up on our website within the next week, to include pricing, part numbers and additional technical data. We also have additional "bolt-on" performance parts undergoing R&D for the 300 as well. Run #3 - Baseline stock run OEM exhaust. Run #28 - OEM exhaust with FI Micro Programmer, Snorkel removed, K&N Filter Panel direct replacement. Run # 3 - Baseline stock run OEM exhaust. Run #80 - Area P Ultra High Mount System, Fi Micro Programmer, Snorkel removed, K&N Filter Panel direct replacement. Run # 3 - Baseline stock run OEM exhaust. Run #56 - Area P Standard Mount System, Standard Muffler. FI Micro Programmer, Snorkel removed, K&N Filter Panel direct replacement. Run #80 -Area P Ultra High Mount System, Fi Micro Programmer, Snorkel removed, K&N Filter Panel direct replacement. Run # 3 - Baseline stock run OEM exhaust. Run #56 - Area P Standard Mount System, Standard Muffler. FI Micro Programmer, Snorkel removed. K&N Filter Panel direct replacement. Run #80 -Area P Ultra High Mount System, Fi Micro Programmer, Snorkel removed, K&N Filter Panel direct replacement. Run #90 - Area P Standard System, Long Quiet Muffler, FI Micro Programmer, Snorkel removed, K&N Filter Panel direct replacement. As you can note, all versions of the Area P systems, with proper mapping, have very similiar performance characteristics. Especially noting that the Standard System with Long Quiet Muffler being very quiet as compared, yet offers excellent performance. Run #3 - Baseline stock run OEM exhaust. Run #28 - OEM exhaust with FI Micro Programmer, Snorkel removed, K&N Filter Panel direct replacement. Run #40 - Slip-On prototype. This last graph we included only to illustrate the reason why we will not be offering a Slip-On. We can get within .3 hp (yes, 3/10th) as much performance from our FI Micro Programmer (at peak) and the OEM muffler, as with a Slip-On (and our Micro Programmer). We gave it every oppertunity, including many different design versions. And further, without the FI Programmer, we struggled to get a Slip-On to perform as good as stock! A Slip-On is reasonably easy to design & manufacture. So believe me, if a Slip-On offered more performance than what we have noted (and remember that's with our FI Micro Programmer as well), we would be offering one. So just like we found on the 250R, a significant "performance" increase just isn't there with a Slip-On.
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December 9th, 2012, 10:37 PM	#152
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	Bet the OP can't wait to get his hands on one... __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

December 10th, 2012, 12:07 AM	#154
rusninja Ninjette wanabe :D Name: Ruslan Location: San Jose Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): white 300 :D Posts: A lot.	I wish but with the new law I think police will be revenue happy enough seeing a modded bike. That ultra high is a real looker though. :] __________________________________________________ VROOOM vrooom >.>

December 10th, 2012, 07:46 AM	#156
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	That's not entirely true, as listed here. But let's please leave the CA law discussion in that other thread. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

December 7th, 2012, 05:25 PM	#124
adouglas Cat herder Name: Gort Location: A secret lair which, being secret, has an undisclosed location Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): Aprilia RS660 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 6 MOTM - Jul '18, Nov '16, Aug '14, May '13	You know what's so cool about all this? kbryant clearly knows his stuff inside and out, is willing to share openly and is darned good at communicating. As a guy who makes his living communicating, I really like that.

December 7th, 2012, 10:36 PM	#133
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	@gsxrninja250, based on my question, Alex linked us to the proper thread for the discussion on the CA law so we didn't go OT and gunk up this thread. PS - there's a multi-quote feature so you don't have to quote people in separate posts and answer the same thing twice.

December 7th, 2012, 11:32 PM	#135
eddieA6987 ninjette.org member Name: Eddie Location: West Palm Beach Join Date: Jan 2012 Motorcycle(s): 300 white/black Posts: 28	It was a pleasure lending Kerry the bike. Cool dude smart as hell too. Explained the whole process even though I found my self lost a lot just wondering what all those terms meant. Also gave me a ride back to forth to get the bike. Installed a clean looking fender eliminator because the one I had was home made and very ulgy also cleaned up my wiring which I hacked away at and new turn signals.

December 8th, 2012, 09:21 PM	#137
gsxrninja250 ninjette.org member Name: chris Location: los angeles Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): none yet Posts: 118	@kbryant I was wondering, with he ultra high mount exhaust, is there gonna be any way to retain the passenger pegs? Or maybe make a option to keep them? (Incase any of use wanna do two up riding?) Or not likely?

December 9th, 2012, 10:54 AM	#140
diwhiteii ninjette.org guru Name: David Location: Lafayette, CA Join Date: May 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R, 2013 Ninja 300 Posts: 279	Hi Kerry, I have been following the forum on the Ninja 300 exhaust and I have some quick questions for you. I am for sure going to want the ultra high mount exhaust and with that being said, on your website you have the picture of a ninja 250 race exhaust Can this muffler in the picture work with the new ultra high mount? Or are you coming out with Race full systems for the Ninja 300 Or are the new exhaust in production for the Ninja 300 race systems? What are the difference between the race and regular full systems?

December 9th, 2012, 08:33 PM	#146
sharky nrk Fighting Texas Aggie '05 Name: Neil Location: Hutto, TX Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): '07 ZX6R, '08 Versys, '09 250R Track, '93 F2/F3 Track Posts: A lot.	Wow, very nearly 40whp. Thumbs up!!!!!!!

December 9th, 2012, 08:55 PM	#148
gsxrninja250 ninjette.org member Name: chris Location: los angeles Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): none yet Posts: 118	Now I'm curious to know what these are gonna cost! Do we find out soon?

December 9th, 2012, 10:50 PM	#153
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	...yeah, especially after all that leg humping.

December 10th, 2012, 08:51 AM	#159
phrenetiK ninjette.org member Name: Chris Location: Texas Join Date: Dec 2012 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 300 Posts: 18	You said before, full system will not be a lot more than the 250 full system correct? And we are about 8 weeks from any units shipping out?

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