Here's why you don't use the rear brake in a panic stop - Page 3

Gurk · February 7th, 2013, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Motofool

"AD, Attention Disorientation, affects riders at all levels including professionals. We’ve handled more pro riders than anyone else in the world, trust me on this one, they have the same problems." - Keith Code

http://forums.superbikeschool.com/in...?showtopic=978

Kidding aside, I totally believe him. I think keeping focus for lap after lap is the hardest thing about riding track. Or riding your best, consistently. When I rode in traffic I was a little more alert but I'm sure there were times when I wasn't.

LNasty · February 7th, 2013, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiggles

Luckily it was titanium reinforced

Was that your ninja 1000?

Jiggles · February 7th, 2013, 02:38 PM

Yep

Old Lemon · February 7th, 2013, 03:04 PM

sometimes, you just gotta layer down

Alex · February 7th, 2013, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Lemon

sometimes, you just gotta layer down

Aggrotech · February 9th, 2013, 02:13 PM

shoulda went into the right lane mang! second they stopped shoulda checked the trailer way ahead of you in the 2nd lane then ur right mirror and got teh **** outta there.

are you even fully recovered from your leg injury yet?

80MPHdownhill · February 9th, 2013, 03:24 PM

Motorcycling isn't for everyone.

Joshorilla · February 9th, 2013, 05:40 PM

I like all the "what you should have done was..." And "what I would have done was... "

Because it's really just a case of you being an idiot and not looking where you were going then panicking and doing something stupid.

If you were paying attention to the road ahead you would have seen the person brake and you would have done the same and the whole damn thing would have been avoided, no left lane, no right lane, no advanced emergency braking techniques, no ABS, just a normal reaction time and sensable braking.

Looking at the video, it also looks like you're closer than two seconds away from them, 1.5 maybe.

Pay more attention next time!

ChaoSS · February 9th, 2013, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshorilla

I like all the "what you should have done was..." And "what I would have done was... "

Because it's really just a case of you being an idiot and not looking where you were going then panicking and doing something stupid.

If you were paying attention to the road ahead you would have seen the person brake and you would have done the same and the whole damn thing would have been avoided, no left lane, no right lane, no advanced emergency braking techniques, no ABS, just a normal reaction time and sensable braking.

Looking at the video, it also looks like you're closer than two seconds away from them, 1.5 maybe.

Pay more attention next time!

True, he should have been paying more attention. It's one more link in the accident chain. That being said, paying attention is just one link in the accident chain. There are other things that could have broken it.

allanoue · February 9th, 2013, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaoSS

True, he should have been paying more attention. It's one more link in the accident chain. That being said, paying attention is just one link in the accident chain. There are other things that could have broken it.

That being said Jiggeles has it right, paying attention was the easiest thing to have done, but then again last I looked at the licencing requirements, we are all human. Stay tuned, sooner then you think we will all be riding bitch.

Yakaru · February 10th, 2013, 11:34 PM

I'm not really going to do a "what you should've done" or anything like that, it's been beaten to death... but I honestly don't understand why you went to the shoulder and did such a late brake. You said you were distracted by the van, so I guess that explains it -- a bit of target fixation... but still. Bad Jiggles! No cookies!
Feel better soon, and ride more carefully silly!

Jiggles · February 13th, 2013, 05:05 PM

Turns out there actually was some damage to my gear! I only checked my left glove and side of my jacket because thats the side I slid on and the side that got injured. I guess from this damage that I had my right hand underneath me as well and was sliding on it. Even so, the damage is minimal

outasight20 · February 13th, 2013, 06:01 PM

This is why I try to ride between packs of sheep cagers on the highway.

drac · February 13th, 2013, 06:44 PM

LOL.... the guy has two major crashes INTO cars and he is giving advice on how to ride. It's pretty clear Jiggles has NO freakin idea how to ride.

Dude, sell your bikes and start driving a car....... You are giving real motorcycle riders a bad name.

Jiggles · February 13th, 2013, 06:54 PM

Major? There's hardly a scratch on me. I'm pretty ****ing badass at crashing at this point

drac · February 13th, 2013, 07:14 PM

Not even intelligent enough to realize that crashing INTO ANOTHER VEHICLE on a PUBLIC road(much less an interstate) is a major crash.

I would say you need to grow up. But if you continue to think you know how to ride a motorcycle it is pointless. You won't ever get the chance to mature. Darwins law will take care of that pretty soon.

I am amazed that Alex allows some of your posts to remain. The "advise" you dispense is going to get someone killed.

Sean, I am saying this in no uncertain terms............. You suck at riding a street bike and have NO business dispensing advise much less actually riding one. You are a road hazard................ Take up golf...... You will probably suck at it just as much, but at least you won't kill yourself or someone else.

CZroe · February 13th, 2013, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiggles

Major? There's hardly a scratch on me. I'm pretty ****ing badass at crashing at this point

I know that I'm watching a master troll at work, but I would at least make sure he knows that the other car crashed into you in the first crash and not the other way around.

outasight20 · February 13th, 2013, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by drac

Not even intelligent enough to realize that crashing INTO ANOTHER VEHICLE on a PUBLIC road(much less an interstate) is a major crash.

I would say you need to grow up. But if you continue to think you know how to ride a motorcycle it is pointless. You won't ever get the chance to mature. Darwins law will take care of that pretty soon.

I am amazed that Alex allows some of your posts to remain. The "advise" you dispense is going to get someone killed.

Sean, I am saying this in no uncertain terms............. You suck at riding a street bike and have NO business dispensing advise much less actually riding one. You are a road hazard................ Take up golf...... You will probably suck at it just as much, but at least you won't kill yourself or someone else.

+1,000,000,000

It's really not a big deal to crash into a car on the freeway guys. Everyone does it, then laughs it off and buys another new bike to wreck.

Jiggles · February 14th, 2013, 12:48 AM

I can't even believe I'm getting suckered into responding to you drac so I'll keep it short and sweet. I'm a good rider, I've ridden with people who have more skill than you or I can dream of and I'm sure that they would vouch that I am a good and safe rider.

So you, my friend, can go eat a ham sandwich.

drac · February 14th, 2013, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiggles

I can't even believe I'm getting suckered into responding to you drac so I'll keep it short and sweet. I'm a good rider, I've ridden with people who have more skill than you or I can dream of and I'm sure that they would vouch that I am a good and safe rider.

So you, my friend, can go eat a ham sandwich.

LOL..... Your skill at riding a motorcycle is fairly obvious. As witnessed by your videos........ No Jiggles, whether you can/will admit it or not..........You suck at riding a motorcycle.

A good and safe rider?................... You are a joke.

Joshorilla · February 14th, 2013, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by drac

LOL..... Your skill at riding a motorcycle is fairly obvious. As witnessed by your videos........ No Jiggles, whether you can/will admit it or not..........You suck at riding a motorcycle.

A good and safe rider?................... You are a joke.

Ha, bit harsh, i doubt sean or any of his buddies will agree, but out its rather self evident.

Although i wouldn't pin his first crash so much on him, this one is just due to stupidity.

CZroe · February 14th, 2013, 10:09 AM

Why is Jiggles being trolled so hard recently? How many of these people are the same person? Example: Recent new troll user goes "on a break" and then drac comes back.

I think it's unrealistic to say that a crashed rider knows less about what he did wrong than others who have yet to crash, so dismissing his advice for that reason is supremely stupid.

psych0hans · February 14th, 2013, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by CZroe

Why is Jiggles being trolled so hard recently? How many of these people are the same person? Example: Recent new troll user goes "on a break" and then drac comes back.

I think it's unrealistic to say that a crashed rider knows less about what he did wrong than others who have yet to crash, so dismissing his advice for that reason is supremely stupid.

Joshorilla · February 14th, 2013, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by CZroe

Why is Jiggles being trolled so hard recently?

Because of his cocksure and narcissistic attitude to almost everything isn't a conginial way for him to conduct himself.

Jiggles · February 14th, 2013, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Joshorilla

Because of his cocksure and narcissistic attitude to almost everything isn't a conginial way for him to conduct himself.

That's funny considering who this comment is coming from

Joshorilla · February 14th, 2013, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiggles

That's funny considering who this comment is coming from

And yet i'm not the one being trolled

And there's nothing wromg with conducting yourself that way, but you have to consider that you messed up big time with no distractions, no turns, you just plowed into the back of someone like a numpty, and people get pissed when they hear you argue you're actually a good rider and what not, as you're evidently not.

Jiggles · February 14th, 2013, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Joshorilla

And yet i'm not the one being trolled

And there's nothing wromg with conducting yourself that way, but you have to consider that you messed up big time with no distractions, no turns, you just plowed into the back of someone like a numpty, and people get pissed when they hear you argue you're actually a good rider and what not, as you're evidently not.

Yea I realize the collision was my fault and I think I've figured out why it happened. I'll address it in another thread

I guess I'm just not as perfect as you... Oh wait

Joshorilla · February 14th, 2013, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiggles

Yea I realize the collision was my fault and I think I've figured out why it happened. I'll address it in another thread

I guess I'm just not as perfect as you... Oh wait

What's there to figure out? You were too close to them, didn't break on time, and when you did you locked your rear wheel, basically, if you could do it wrong you did. And you already have multiple threads on this, so why create more?

I am by no means perfect, I just want for you to understand you need to internalize blame on this one buddy, or you may be doomed to repeat yourself. Again.

Alex · February 14th, 2013, 11:45 AM

Drac's on a month break for multiple TOS violations.

No more warnings in this thread.

Jiggles · February 14th, 2013, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Joshorilla

What's there to figure out? You were too close to them, didn't break on time, and when you did you locked your rear wheel, basically, if you could do it wrong you did. And you already have multiple threads on this, so why create more?

I am by no means perfect, I just want for you to understand you need to internalize blame on this one buddy, or you may be doomed to repeat yourself. Again.

Nah there is a reason this whole situation happened. I did a lot of stuff that day that I wouldn't normally do. It is of course still my fault but hopefully I can prevent others from making a similar mistake

Joshorilla · February 14th, 2013, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiggles

Nah there is a reason this whole situation happened. I did a lot of stuff that day that I wouldn't normally do. It is of course still my fault but hopefully I can prevent others from making a similar mistake

Fair play, Thinking about it, the video is only a small window into what happened, I don't think I could divine a truth on my crash from my video.

And it's good to hear you'll use this as a learning tool

Jiggles · February 14th, 2013, 12:07 PM

ADoMinGu3z · February 20th, 2013, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CZroe

A vehicle stopping in time is the only way to break the cycle. Once stopped you can still use the remaining room to go forward or around. Those options still exist and I think it's well understood that you need to look out behind you after an emergency stop.

completely agreed with u, but in my area id be better off riding the shoulder then trusting the people behind me to stop.

Jiggles · February 20th, 2013, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ADoMinGu3z

completely agreed with u, but in my area id be better off riding the shoulder then trusting the people behind me to stop.

They will just go into the shoulder and hit you anyway

nickjpass · March 10th, 2013, 07:13 PM

@drac don't pick on jiggles, he might be himself sometimes, but who cares. you're just annoying.

akima · March 11th, 2013, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiggles

This is more proof that gear is awesome. Days after Jiggles crashes he can find damage to his gear and shrug it off. If he wasn't wearing it then he'd know much sooner exactly which part of his body slid across the ground. Even that small scuff on your leathers represents a huge amount of pain and suffering you were saved from.

<3 gear!

February 7th, 2013, 02:38 PM	#83
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	Yep __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

February 7th, 2013, 03:04 PM	#84
Old Lemon Lays er down Name: Michael Location: Maryland Join Date: Apr 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Lime green Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.	sometimes, you just gotta layer down
	3 out of 3 members found this post helpful.

February 13th, 2013, 05:05 PM	#92
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	Turns out there actually was some damage to my gear! I only checked my left glove and side of my jacket because thats the side I slid on and the side that got injured. I guess from this damage that I had my right hand underneath me as well and was sliding on it. Even so, the damage is minimal __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

February 13th, 2013, 06:44 PM	#94
drac ninjette.org member Name: drac Location: VA Join Date: Mar 2012 Motorcycle(s): '88 Hurricane 600, '09 Ninja 250 Posts: 237	LOL.... the guy has two major crashes INTO cars and he is giving advice on how to ride. It's pretty clear Jiggles has NO freakin idea how to ride. Dude, sell your bikes and start driving a car....... You are giving real motorcycle riders a bad name. __________________________________________________ While no trees were harmed in making this post, a large number of electrons were severely inconvenienced.
	0 out of 1 members found this post helpful.

February 13th, 2013, 06:54 PM	#95
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	Major? There's hardly a scratch on me. I'm pretty ****ing badass at crashing at this point __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

February 9th, 2013, 02:13 PM	#86
Aggrotech ninjette.org sage Name: Justin Location: Fresno CA Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): 12' Ninja 250 Posts: 831	shoulda went into the right lane mang! second they stopped shoulda checked the trailer way ahead of you in the 2nd lane then ur right mirror and got teh **** outta there. are you even fully recovered from your leg injury yet?

February 9th, 2013, 03:24 PM	#87
80MPHdownhill ninjette.org member Name: Brian Location: Cal Join Date: Sep 2012 Motorcycle(s): Yes, please. Posts: 121	Motorcycling isn't for everyone.

February 9th, 2013, 05:40 PM	#88
Joshorilla Bass Master General Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 24	I like all the "what you should have done was..." And "what I would have done was... " Because it's really just a case of you being an idiot and not looking where you were going then panicking and doing something stupid. If you were paying attention to the road ahead you would have seen the person brake and you would have done the same and the whole damn thing would have been avoided, no left lane, no right lane, no advanced emergency braking techniques, no ABS, just a normal reaction time and sensable braking. Looking at the video, it also looks like you're closer than two seconds away from them, 1.5 maybe. Pay more attention next time!

February 10th, 2013, 11:34 PM	#91
Yakaru The Violet Vixen Name: Yakaru Location: Issaquah, WA & Las Vegas, NV Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): Perigee (250), Hotaru (250), Saturn (300), Pearl (300), Zero (S1000RR), Chibi (Z125), Xellos ('18 HP4R) Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jun '16	I'm not really going to do a "what you should've done" or anything like that, it's been beaten to death... but I honestly don't understand why you went to the shoulder and did such a late brake. You said you were distracted by the van, so I guess that explains it -- a bit of target fixation... but still. Bad Jiggles! No cookies! Feel better soon, and ride more carefully silly!

February 13th, 2013, 06:01 PM	#93
outasight20 ninjette.org member Name: Weezy Location: Massachusetts Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2005 Yamaha FZ6 Posts: 169	This is why I try to ride between packs of sheep cagers on the highway.

February 13th, 2013, 07:14 PM	#96
drac ninjette.org member Name: drac Location: VA Join Date: Mar 2012 Motorcycle(s): '88 Hurricane 600, '09 Ninja 250 Posts: 237	Not even intelligent enough to realize that crashing INTO ANOTHER VEHICLE on a PUBLIC road(much less an interstate) is a major crash. I would say you need to grow up. But if you continue to think you know how to ride a motorcycle it is pointless. You won't ever get the chance to mature. Darwins law will take care of that pretty soon. I am amazed that Alex allows some of your posts to remain. The "advise" you dispense is going to get someone killed. Sean, I am saying this in no uncertain terms............. You suck at riding a street bike and have NO business dispensing advise much less actually riding one. You are a road hazard................ Take up golf...... You will probably suck at it just as much, but at least you won't kill yourself or someone else. __________________________________________________ While no trees were harmed in making this post, a large number of electrons were severely inconvenienced.

February 14th, 2013, 12:48 AM	#99
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	I can't even believe I'm getting suckered into responding to you drac so I'll keep it short and sweet. I'm a good rider, I've ridden with people who have more skill than you or I can dream of and I'm sure that they would vouch that I am a good and safe rider. So you, my friend, can go eat a ham sandwich. __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

February 14th, 2013, 10:09 AM	#102
CZroe CPT Falcon Name: J.Emmett Turner Location: Newnan, GA Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): '08 CP Blue EX250J, '97 unpainted EX250F, 2nd '97 unpainted EX250F (no engine), '07 black EX250F Posts: A lot.	Why is Jiggles being trolled so hard recently? How many of these people are the same person? Example: Recent new troll user goes "on a break" and then drac comes back. I think it's unrealistic to say that a crashed rider knows less about what he did wrong than others who have yet to crash, so dismissing his advice for that reason is supremely stupid.

February 14th, 2013, 11:45 AM	#109
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Drac's on a month break for multiple TOS violations. No more warnings in this thread. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

February 14th, 2013, 12:07 PM	#112
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	__________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

March 10th, 2013, 07:13 PM	#115
nickjpass #squid Name: nickypoo Location: Five Guys Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Track dedicated 2008 ZX6R Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jul '16	@drac don't pick on jiggles, he might be himself sometimes, but who cares. you're just annoying. __________________________________________________

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