Hehehe Road Rage

[drac]

The problem is absolutely nothing will happen to that guy at this point. Highly doubt the biker will press charges. If he goes to the police with the vid they MIGHT go by and talk to the guy..................... But thats it. He will walk away from this and continue to be an ass................. What happened to the good old days when a guy like this would get his ass kicked by the two bikers and when the cops come and see the video they look at the car dude and tell him he shoulda kept his hands to himself and none of this would have happened................ Trust me, this guy will do this kind of thing again and next time it might be you.

I truly feel that is one of the problem with society theses days. When I was a kid and ran through a neighbors flower bed and screwed up the hard work of said neighbor I might have gotten caught and the woman would yell at me and maybe give me a quick smack on the ass. When I got home my mom would ask if I ruined so and so flower bed. When I said yes and the woman spanked my butt my mom would say I deserved it. Then I would get ANOTHER smack on the ass from my mom for doing it.

Nowadays it would be a child abuse lawsuit. Pretty sad IMO...... Yes, I am a believer in the whole "It takes a village" philosophy.

[MikeCG23]

I would have chose to fight! I wear a helmet and gloves when I ride, who am I to say I'll win, but I like my chances essentially wearing armor! Hopefully my buddy riding with me throws an elbow or two with me and we're gone leaving him humiliated hahaha

[lgk]

Originally Posted by drac

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Nowadays people never get punished.

They are like giant kids never realize the consequences of their actions, but have the capability of doing much more damage than a 10 yr old.

Its dangerous for sure, but sooner or later it'll catch up to him in bulk...

[drac]

Lets hope............

[lgk]

Originally Posted by drac

Lets hope............

i'll admit it may be a while before he actually comes across a "Savage" individual.

when it happens it'll be a life changing event.

[Motofool]

Originally Posted by lgk

Nowadays people never get punished.

They are like giant kids never realize the consequences of their actions, but have the capability of doing much more damage than a 10 yr old.

Its dangerous for sure, but sooner or later it'll catch up to him in bulk...

Abusive-angry personalities grow up until becoming someone like the guy in this video.

The victim is sometimes a young male able to fight him back, sometimes is a defenseless or weak one.

Link to original page on YouTube.

My wife has told me stories of full-size guys trying to fight her after some traffic situations, ...........and she is a petite nice lady.

Passivity is not good or safe, extreme violence can make things worst: maybe a medium defensive-neutralizing reaction could be the answer to these big shots?

[psych0hans]

Yeah, I've seen that video, it's of a bloke in Australia. Quiet scary the lengths people will go to to cause harm to others.

[lgk]

Originally Posted by Motofool

Passivity is not good or safe, extreme violence can make things worst: maybe a medium defensive-neutralizing reaction could be the answer to these big shots?

there's no one size fits all solution to these problems, the danger is purely circumstantial.
each attacker and defender is different physically/mentally, and there are different weapons/tools at play.

each person needs to reflect upon themselves what they are capable of, different rationales for use of force, and ways of gauging the attackers weakness.

if the violent perp fails or dies you win the game.

[iplante]

That idiot makes us GTI drivers look bad

[Aman13]

[subxero]

makes me want to slap the person who wrote that.

[psych0hans]

Originally Posted by subxero

makes me want to slap the person who wrote that.

X2 Clearly biased... What a douchebag...

[NevadaWolf]

I love how every comment on that "article" is slamming the author and defending the rider. One of the few times I enjoyed reading those remarks.

[Sirref]

Originally Posted by iplante

That idiot makes us GTI drivers look bad

IKR, also the whole working on it constantly thing...if you just don't slam it like an idiot you're golden in terms of reliability

[dfox]

the motorcycle's side of the story is clearly biased and one sided as well. I can't imagine the motorcyclist didn't piss off the GTI driver some way more than just accelerating at a stop sign. If the dude was a true hot-head that flipped for no reason, he wouldn't have only slapped the guy and moved on.

it takes two to tango.

[Racer x]

The VW was in the gutter lane with parked cars ahead. As both vehicles accelerated from the light the VW can be heard spinning the tires. But because the Ducati was faster the VW had to stop and get behind the motorcycle. That is what set the car driver off. The biker did nothing. I still think he should have not stopped and allowed the driver to approach.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by dfox

the motorcycle's side of the story is clearly biased and one sided as well. I can't imagine the motorcyclist didn't piss off the GTI driver some way more than just accelerating at a stop sign. If the dude was a true hot-head that flipped for no reason, he wouldn't have only slapped the guy and moved on.

it takes two to tango.

Read the thread I linked on BARF. The dude says exactly what happened before hand

[dfox]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

Read the thread I linked on BARF. The dude says exactly what happened before hand

yea, "me and my friend make some friendly gestures and smiles and waves and light turns green"

in other words, they provoked the driver of the GTI by teasing him at the stop light.

seriously. dude in GTI peels out at a stop light, and you accelerate to get past him, that's called street racing. Then you let off the gas and allow engine breaking to reduce your speed drastically such that the car is likely going to have to slam on the breaks not to hit you. Stupid motorcycle driving. let the macho man in his GTI look like an idiot on his own. There's no need to provoke him by proving that your race replica supersport motorcycle is faster than a glorified econobox.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by dfox

yea, "me and my friend make some friendly gestures and smiles and waves and light turns green"

in other words, they provoked the driver of the GTI by teasing him at the stop light.

seriously. dude in GTI peels out at a stop light, and you accelerate to get past him, that's called street racing. Then you let off the gas and allow engine breaking to reduce your speed drastically such that the car is likely going to have to slam on the breaks not to hit you. Stupid motorcycle driving. let the macho man in his GTI look like an idiot on his own. There's no need to provoke him by proving that your race replica supersport motorcycle is faster than a glorified econobox.

Well the GTI is in his own lane so what does that matter? And the dude goes on to explain the 'gestures' more. He said he waived to the guy and pointed to the camera and the guy waived back

[Panda]

There's some weird victim logic going on in this thread... It's the biker's fault because he "teased" the GTI driver?

[dfox]

Originally Posted by Panda

There's some weird victim logic going on in this thread... It's the biker's fault because he "teased" the GTI driver?

Originally Posted by dfox

it takes two to tango.

that is all. It's not the "fault" of the motorcycle rider, but he's not innocent either. Accelerating like that in an urban situation, right next to a GTI that's clearly trying to race (because you just showed him that you were recording him), is asking for trouble. period.

[Panda]

It takes one person to get out of their car and slap somebody upside the head.

[lgk]

Originally Posted by dfox

that is all. It's not the "fault" of the motorcycle rider, but he's not innocent either. Accelerating like that in an urban situation, right next to a GTI that's clearly trying to race (because you just showed him that you were recording him), is asking for trouble. period.

[KawiKid860]

Well autoblog just lost all credibility in my opinion. Shame too since I liked them. Jalopnik will probably lose my subscription as well since I'm pretty sure they're sister blogs, although I can't find a jalopnik article about this situation. But, uh, really props to the GTI driver for putting that damn motorcyclist in his place, that's great street justice and stuff.

[dfox]

Originally Posted by Panda

It takes one person to get out of their car and slap somebody upside the head.

and it takes another person to provoke him to do it.

[dfox]

Originally Posted by lgk

pointless post of the day.

it's a pretty simple concept. you can agree or disagree. confusion shouldn't come into play.

[NevadaWolf]

For the sake of argument, I am taking everything the rider said as what was going on in his mind at the time and judging it with the video.

If, as he said on the video comment, the VW was pacing him on the right for enough time to make the rider nervous, he has two choices - speed up, slow down. Slowing down is useless since the VW can continue to pace him. So jump ahead and get away. Makes sense. But the light turned and the speed limit came up and he couldn't go very far.

Why would the driver pointing to the camera indicate "race"? If all was friendly, it could be "Hey, nice camera!" or maybe the driver got pissed off at being filmed or the rider could have acknowledged the camera to let the driver know, "Hey, I'm filming, back off." Who knows?

Even if they had been racing, why did the driver cut behind, tail really close, then cut back around? What "race" is that??

Only the driver knows why he attacked the rider. But that's the bottom line, THE DRIVER ATTACKED THE RIDER.

Stop blaming the victim.

[dfox]

as a driver of a modified wrx, and a motorcycle, I have people trying to race me very frequently. When a light turns green, and the guy next to me is hitting the gas so hard he loses traction, the smart and responsible thing to do is to back off. All you can do is get yourself into trouble by keeping up.

There has been no blame put onto the motorcycle rider, and I think he absolutely should press charges, but in no way do I think the motorcyclist was 100% in the right. If a police officer were there, he could have been given a ticket just like the GTI driver. yes, the GTI driver took it to another level. Yes he should be punished. That doesn't make the motorcyclist an innocent bystander.

The lesson that should be learned is that if you don't want trouble, don't provoke GTI drivers.

[slickt0mmy]

Originally Posted by dfox

and it takes another person to provoke him to do it.

That doesn't make it an acceptable response. He escalated a nonviolent situation into a violent one. In court, the blame lies with him.
I get what you're saying though. Without the provocation, the GTI driver probably would have just driven away. So even if the GTI driver is at fault, provoking other drivers (especially when you're on a motorcycle) isn't the best idea.

[lgk]

Originally Posted by dfox

pointless post of the day.

it's a pretty simple concept. you can agree or disagree. confusion shouldn't come into play.

i'm confused why you even typed it.
there's no simple concept, your logic fails completely...

i have seen plenty of victims attacked without any provocation.

[dfox]

Originally Posted by lgk

i'm confused why you even typed it.
there's no simple concept, your logic fails completely...

i have seen plenty of victims attacked without any provocation.

Want a cookie? There was provocation here, so who cares what you think you've seen?

And what don't you get? That street racing gets people's adrenaline pumping, making many do stupid things, or that not being at fault doesn't imply innocence?

Either way, I'm done getting into poop flinging contests with you. You like to argue no matter what, so carry on your merry way, I'm out.

[lgk]

I'm glad you're leaving this thread, its the most useful thing you've done here..

[sLick415]

I dont see how thats street racing. Im on a bike. Im gonna go fast until i reach speed limit. You wanna overtake me? Be my guest. My fault your dumbass peeled out and failed? I dont think so...

[dfox]

Originally Posted by sLick415

I dont see how thats street racing. Im on a bike. Im gonna go fast until i reach speed limit. You wanna overtake me? Be my guest. My fault your dumbass peeled out and failed? I dont think so...

Excessive acceleration. Look it up. All at an officers discretion. Same with racing, but any situation where vehicles are at a competition for speed regardless of the final speed, it's considered a race and a ticketable offense. A car screeching its tires and a motorcycle overtaking said car would absolutely be considered racing.

It's just hilarious that this forum loves dissecting accidents and figuring out how a motorcyclist could have avoided the situation, but here, nobody wants to even think that the rider could or should have handled himself any differently, aside from committing another crime and getting into a fight that may, or may not, be considered self defense in the eyes of the law.

And lgk, I'm just not responding to you, well, after this response.

[massacremasses]

Originally Posted by dfox

Excessive acceleration. Look it up. All at an officers discretion. Same with racing, but any situation where vehicles are at a competition for speed regardless of the final speed, it's considered a race and a ticketable offense. A car screeching its tires and a motorcycle overtaking said car would absolutely be considered racing.

It's just hilarious that this forum loves dissecting accidents and figuring out how a motorcyclist could have avoided the situation, but here, nobody wants to even think that the rider could or should have handled himself any differently, aside from committing another crime and getting into a fight that may, or may not, be considered self defense in the eyes of the law.

And lgk, I'm just not responding to you, well, after this response.

You don't have any kids do you.....

[lgk]

Originally Posted by sLick415

I dont see how thats street racing. Im on a bike. Im gonna go fast until i reach speed limit. You wanna overtake me? Be my guest. My fault your dumbass peeled out and failed? I dont think so...

Thats because it aint...
He thinks every time a motorcycle overtakes a car(99% of the time due to the power to weight ratio) its a race.

The only thing im trying to figure out now is if he hit his head on sumthin or is on crack...

[dfox]

Originally Posted by massacremasses

You don't have any kids do you.....

not sure what you're implying here. That having an understanding of traffic laws means I don't have kids?

[miss_syn]

I don't think you understand provocation.

I put a COBB tuning plate on my Mom's Forrester for shits and giggles to see how long it would take her to notice. The number of people who take that to mean "race" is their own damn fault. My mom is 100% oblivious to the fact people are trying to race her off the line and moseys on like the little school teacher she is.

My mom doesn't do anything, but because of some decoration people who are already hyped up get more aggressive. Some people don't need anything to push them over.

[Panda]

Originally Posted by dfox

And if there were no COBB plate, would they try to race? Probably not. Hence, provocation.

Now you are just coming off like an angry internet weirdo.

[dfox]

Originally Posted by Panda

Now you are just coming off like an angry internet weirdo.

Yup! This was deleted because I realized the sarcasm was lost in text.

Had enough of the personal attacks, so I'm just assuming its group mentality and moving along.
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