Group ride for "Tail of The Dragon"

g21-30 · December 5th, 2008, 07:12 PM

Any forum members done this ride?

http://chucksdump.com/sits/sits.htm

kkim · December 5th, 2008, 07:24 PM

No, but damn if that doesn't look similar to my commute to work.

g21-30 · December 5th, 2008, 07:37 PM

318 twisties in 11+ miles!!

kkim · December 5th, 2008, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by g21-30

318 twisties in 11+ miles!!

crap... now you you gonna make me count all those corners while I ride to work!

"tail" looks like a nice ride, but I bet it's full of cars and bikes all zooming at different rates and directions.

g21-30 · December 6th, 2008, 08:23 AM

http://www.tailofthedragon.com/index.html

Ducati916Senna · December 6th, 2008, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kkim

crap... now you you gonna make me count all those corners while I ride to work!

"tail" looks like a nice ride, but I bet it's full of cars and bikes all zooming at different rates and directions.

Yup, your right Kelly. This place was fun a few years ago, but it has been commercialized and the place is nuts now. This is just one part of the "skyway". There are roads all around this area that are great as well.

Felix · December 6th, 2008, 06:38 PM

Is it full of popo's?

Our version of that here in Aus, has so much attention from the cops.

Felix

Ducati916Senna · December 6th, 2008, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Felix

Is it full of popo's?

Our version of that here in Aus, has so much attention from the cops.

Felix

That and every car club known to man. Look on you tube for all the fatal accident videos at the gap, etc. Really isn't worth risking your life for some nice corners. Not to mention, if you go off the road, you're going down a cliff.

TnNinjaGirl · January 6th, 2009, 07:17 AM

I'm lucky enough to live close to the Dragon. Hehe... Sorry for gloating. With that said, I've driven several cars up and down it and it's one heck of a ride. Bikers are up there all the time having a good ole time. In my opinion it has become too comercialized. It's a state highway and so tractor trailers are allowed to drive up and down it. Some of those turns they take the entire road, unbeknowing to the rider's scootin along at 50mph knee dragging. With that said, there is another run near to the same region that not alot of people have found yet. Unfortunately as far as I know you can't get a beautiful picture of you and your ride taken there yet.

jdesiano1 · January 6th, 2009, 09:30 AM

I too live near the dragon, however I also think it is too hyped up. This other region tnninjagirl (hey were neighbors!) was talking about is the hellbender. It is Hwy 28 in to Franklin NC. I don't even like it in a car. Tnninjagirl you know about the Womens sport bike rally at the gap next year?

BlueTyke · January 6th, 2009, 09:45 AM

I wouldn't mind riding the Dragon just to say I did it. I have seen some pictures of rigs that tried to make some of those corners though and :: shiver :: I would hate to be introduced to those big rigs..

TnNinjaGirl · January 6th, 2009, 10:08 AM

Actually I was talking about the Brushy Mountain Ride. I haven't been up there yet but the local BMW club has been trying to keep it on the down low. Oops... I wasn't aware of the Dragon ride, but I don't think I'm good enough rider to be doing that ride yet. In due time.

KnoxNinja · January 7th, 2009, 01:24 AM

I wouldn't recommend the Brushy Mountain ride, AKA "The Devil's Triangle." The road is ROUGH. There's a lot of places where it is falling apart, a lot of gravel and dirt, and some really bad patchwork all throughout. I would recommend taking a car up there and checking it out first. I rode up there in my RX-7 with the Sports Car Frenzy crew last year and I thought my poor suspension was going to fall apart. Can't imagine doing it on a small sport bike.

The Dragon (129) and the Hellbender (28) are a blast, but it's way too crowded most of the year. If you want to check it out, I recommend going during the week before April, preferably early if you can. Traffic and law enforcement get really heavy during the April-October riding season when the resort is open. The roads themselves are really nice though. Excellent banking, relatively fresh pavement (most of the Hellbender was just repaved), and the locals are good about clearing debris. Check out Killboy.com for weekly highlights.

TnNinjaGirl · January 7th, 2009, 05:39 AM

Good to know about the Brushy Mountain ride. There are alot of back roads going up the Smokies no one even thinks about. Unfortunately it's such a tourist trap it's more dangerous than fun most of the time.

HKr1 · January 7th, 2009, 05:58 AM

Sam,
When is the group ride?

Strider · January 7th, 2009, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueTyke

I wouldn't mind riding the Dragon just to say I did it. I have seen some pictures of rigs that tried to make some of those corners though and :: shiver :: I would hate to be introduced to those big rigs..

I'm with BlueTyke, I'd like to do it just so I could say I did, but big rigs scare the hell outta me! I almost get run over every day it seems on highway 321!

Quote:

Originally Posted by TnNinjaGirl

Good to know about the Brushy Mountain ride. There are alot of back roads going up the Smokies no one even thinks about. Unfortunately it's such a tourist trap it's more dangerous than fun most of the time.

I've never heard of the Brushy Mountain ride. Got any more info on it?

KnoxNinja · January 8th, 2009, 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strider

I'm with BlueTyke, I'd like to do it just so I could say I did, but big rigs scare the hell outta me! I almost get run over every day it seems on highway 321!

I've never heard of the Brushy Mountain ride. Got any more info on it?

http://tailofthedragon.com/DevilsTri...sTriangle.html

Take special note of the update at the end of the article. When I went, we went the clockwise route, which really sucked.

Strider · January 8th, 2009, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnoxNinja

http://tailofthedragon.com/DevilsTri...sTriangle.html

Take special note of the update at the end of the article. When I went, we went the clockwise route, which really sucked.

Thanks!

KnoxNinja · February 26th, 2009, 01:51 AM

Hmm... 66 degrees and sunny tomorrow (Thursday)... Dragon run anyone??

BlueTyke · February 26th, 2009, 06:42 AM

Don't tease me!

We need to start throwing out some days for this though (preferably when its not so cold up this way. I'd hate to freeze on the way down. When I am cold I get discoraged!

g21-30 · February 26th, 2009, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HKr1

Sam,
When is the group ride?

Sorry, I just saw your question! I don't have the slightest idea. I'm hoping for the Skyline Drive ride this summer. It would really be ride for me to just GET to the Dragon start! And BlueTyke even more!!

jpnfrk · February 26th, 2009, 09:53 PM

If the forecast wasn't rainy for this weekend I'd love to visit the Dragon... probably in the car first to check out the danger spots then take the bike when I am less of a newbie on it...

BlueTyke · February 27th, 2009, 07:00 AM

wants to go wants to go wants to go wantstogowantstogowantstogo.....

KnoxNinja · February 27th, 2009, 07:16 AM

I ended up not going yesterday due to oversleepage after work. Maybe next week though if the weather is decent. I think the Deal's Gap store will be open, and the 500R has earned some stickers. Hopefully the 250 will one day soon.

KnoxNinja · February 27th, 2009, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpnfrk

If the forecast wasn't rainy for this weekend I'd love to visit the Dragon... probably in the car first to check out the danger spots then take the bike when I am less of a newbie on it...

Yes, driving it in the car first is probably a good idea, although it's really not so bad as long as you exercise restraint. The pavement is still somewhat new so there's no surprises. Get with me or CB (TnNinjaGirl) if you'd like a tour. It's not a long drive/ride for us so we're up for it anytime.

TnNinjaGirl · March 2nd, 2009, 07:21 AM

Alright guys, I'm ready for a Dragon ride sometime soon. I was forced to drive Jimi's Suby up there the other night and I remembered how much I love that road. Also, I got my suspension straightened out and I'm wanting to test that as well. I plan to go this weekend. Forecast says mid 60's with 30% chance of rain. In East TN terms, no one has a freakin clue... For all of those in the nearby area give us a holler. For those a little further out... Your call.

BlueTyke · March 2nd, 2009, 07:37 AM

As I sit at my desk staring at the white fluffy stuff whirling around the window (yes I can type without looking at the screen, pardon any mistakes) I have to wonder where the warmth will come from. Though I must say I am tempted to pull Tyke out just to get some snow pictures, and put her new bra on, I wouldn't have the achem (for lack of better word) balls, to ride in this. I doubt it will be warm enough by this weekend.

So in short. Have fun! Take pictures!

TnNinjaGirl · March 2nd, 2009, 03:31 PM

It went from 20 to 70 about 2 weeks ago. It snowed yesterday morning. The day before it was 60. Today it was supposed to be 28. It was 38. In East TN when they call for 30 percent chance of rain, it's probably not going to happen. Anything 50 percent and above we watch out for. As for the temperature, it's more of a general guestimation. Granted we do get to enjoy all four seasons. They are just unpredictable.

Sunny, you have got to come down to TN sometime and ride with us. If not, we'l meet in VA or something. Same goes for everyone else.

BlueTyke · March 2nd, 2009, 05:07 PM

Heck yeah! I am game! Got room on your floor? (suffers a relapse of memory remembering this conversation but on Kelly's floor)

noche_caliente · March 2nd, 2009, 06:11 PM

Sunny - I'm on the way, and we currently have 2 guest bedrooms

BlueTyke · March 2nd, 2009, 06:29 PM

That works too! Whoot! I feel a weekend away coming on!

jpnfrk · March 2nd, 2009, 08:42 PM

The temps are a bit crazy here in NC as well, hopefully it'll warm up by the time the weekend comes around...

noche_caliente · March 2nd, 2009, 09:03 PM

Nani, I'm just a little north of you, and they're saying it's going to be 60 here on saturday.... at least I can ride into work - makes the Saturday work days a little easier

jpnfrk · March 2nd, 2009, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noche_caliente

Nani, I'm just a little north of you, and they're saying it's going to be 60 here on saturday.... at least I can ride into work - makes the Saturday work days a little easier

noche_caliente · March 2nd, 2009, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpnfrk

amen sister!

KnoxNinja · March 2nd, 2009, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TnNinjaGirl

Alright guys, I'm ready for a Dragon ride sometime soon. I was forced to drive Jimi's Suby up there the other night and I remembered how much I love that road. Also, I got my suspension straightened out and I'm wanting to test that as well. I plan to go this weekend. Forecast says mid 60's with 30% chance of rain. In East TN terms, no one has a freakin clue... For all of those in the nearby area give us a holler. For those a little further out... Your call.

1) It's Subie or Subie-woo.
2) You mean you took the keys from me at the bar and somehow they ended up at the Dragon, in the ignition, with you in the driver's seat. Good times

OhEmmGee the salt up there is terrible right now. It was okay for a few miles past the Overlook but by the time we were at the NC line, it was more than sketchy. The ironic thing is that NC didn't salt their side at all, and the roads on that side were perfectly clear. Let that be a lesson to you, TNDOT! Quit salting the Dragon! You just make it more dangerous!

I'm really wanting to ride this weekend, so I'm hoping that stuff gets cleared out. If not, I'll just ride along at 10mph until I get to the NC side and I'll play on their side of the fence. Hopefully no one salted 28.

TnNinjaGirl · March 3rd, 2009, 07:11 AM

Plenty of room on the floor and the couch. If only I had a garage.

Road conditions were pretty horrible. My Honda was having problems staying on the road (or was that me?) because of the salt. We'll see if we can get a road report for this weekend for interested parties. Most of you guys are pretty far away though.

Also, I keep seeing pictures of Kelly's garage with plenty of room for me to sleep. What he doesn't know is that I can sleep sitting upright on a Ninja 250. To add to that, because it's green I'll fall asleep faster. Problem solved Kelly...

BlueTyke · March 3rd, 2009, 07:27 AM

hehehe! I will have to plan a weekend down that way...

jpnfrk · March 3rd, 2009, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TnNinjaGirl

We'll see if we can get a road report for this weekend for interested parties.

Please keep us posted...

kkim · March 3rd, 2009, 09:35 PM

Just be on the lookout for black ice. Sounds like conditions might be about right for it in spots.

December 5th, 2008, 07:12 PM	#1
g21-30 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Sam Location: Northern Virginia Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R 2009 Posts: A lot.	Group ride for "Tail of The Dragon" Any forum members done this ride? http://chucksdump.com/sits/sits.htm

December 5th, 2008, 07:37 PM	#3
g21-30 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Sam Location: Northern Virginia Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R 2009 Posts: A lot.	318 twisties in 11+ miles!! Last futzed with by g21-30; December 6th, 2008 at 08:40 AM.

December 6th, 2008, 08:23 AM	#5
g21-30 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Sam Location: Northern Virginia Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R 2009 Posts: A lot.	More Info http://www.tailofthedragon.com/index.html

January 6th, 2009, 09:45 AM	#11
BlueTyke So slow I'm first! Name: Sunny Location: San Jose, CA Join Date: Oct 2008 Motorcycle(s): 06 Kawasaki Ninja EX250 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 10	I wouldn't mind riding the Dragon just to say I did it. I have seen some pictures of rigs that tried to make some of those corners though and :: shiver :: I would hate to be introduced to those big rigs.. __________________________________________________ Learn from the mistakes of others, you cannot make them all yourself. Save yourself the trouble and Learn.

February 26th, 2009, 06:42 AM	#20
BlueTyke So slow I'm first! Name: Sunny Location: San Jose, CA Join Date: Oct 2008 Motorcycle(s): 06 Kawasaki Ninja EX250 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 10	Don't tease me! We need to start throwing out some days for this though (preferably when its not so cold up this way. I'd hate to freeze on the way down. When I am cold I get discoraged! __________________________________________________ Learn from the mistakes of others, you cannot make them all yourself. Save yourself the trouble and Learn.

December 5th, 2008, 07:24 PM	#2
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	No, but damn if that doesn't look similar to my commute to work.

December 6th, 2008, 06:38 PM	#7
Felix ninjette.org member Name: Felix Location: Brisbane, Australia Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 ZX6R Posts: 38	Is it full of popo's? Our version of that here in Aus, has so much attention from the cops. Felix

January 6th, 2009, 07:17 AM	#9
TnNinjaGirl Ms. Personality Name: CB Location: Murvill, TN Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): Depends on the week you ask Posts: A lot.	I'm lucky enough to live close to the Dragon. Hehe... Sorry for gloating. With that said, I've driven several cars up and down it and it's one heck of a ride. Bikers are up there all the time having a good ole time. In my opinion it has become too comercialized. It's a state highway and so tractor trailers are allowed to drive up and down it. Some of those turns they take the entire road, unbeknowing to the rider's scootin along at 50mph knee dragging. With that said, there is another run near to the same region that not alot of people have found yet. Unfortunately as far as I know you can't get a beautiful picture of you and your ride taken there yet.

January 6th, 2009, 09:30 AM	#10
jdesiano1 Stealth like Ninja, Lol Name: Jessica Location: East Tn (round Knoxville) Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): Red 2008 250 Posts: 88	I too live near the dragon, however I also think it is too hyped up. This other region tnninjagirl (hey were neighbors!) was talking about is the hellbender. It is Hwy 28 in to Franklin NC. I don't even like it in a car. Tnninjagirl you know about the Womens sport bike rally at the gap next year?

January 6th, 2009, 10:08 AM	#12
TnNinjaGirl Ms. Personality Name: CB Location: Murvill, TN Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): Depends on the week you ask Posts: A lot.	Actually I was talking about the Brushy Mountain Ride. I haven't been up there yet but the local BMW club has been trying to keep it on the down low. Oops... I wasn't aware of the Dragon ride, but I don't think I'm good enough rider to be doing that ride yet. In due time.

January 7th, 2009, 01:24 AM	#13
KnoxNinja BRKDWN. Name: Jimi Location: Knoxville, TN Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 89 GPX250R, 89 GPZ500S Posts: 126	I wouldn't recommend the Brushy Mountain ride, AKA "The Devil's Triangle." The road is ROUGH. There's a lot of places where it is falling apart, a lot of gravel and dirt, and some really bad patchwork all throughout. I would recommend taking a car up there and checking it out first. I rode up there in my RX-7 with the Sports Car Frenzy crew last year and I thought my poor suspension was going to fall apart. Can't imagine doing it on a small sport bike. The Dragon (129) and the Hellbender (28) are a blast, but it's way too crowded most of the year. If you want to check it out, I recommend going during the week before April, preferably early if you can. Traffic and law enforcement get really heavy during the April-October riding season when the resort is open. The roads themselves are really nice though. Excellent banking, relatively fresh pavement (most of the Hellbender was just repaved), and the locals are good about clearing debris. Check out Killboy.com for weekly highlights.

January 7th, 2009, 05:39 AM	#14
TnNinjaGirl Ms. Personality Name: CB Location: Murvill, TN Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): Depends on the week you ask Posts: A lot.	Good to know about the Brushy Mountain ride. There are alot of back roads going up the Smokies no one even thinks about. Unfortunately it's such a tourist trap it's more dangerous than fun most of the time.

January 7th, 2009, 05:58 AM	#15
HKr1 IC2(SW) Name: Kerry Location: Pensacola Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: A lot.	Sam, When is the group ride?

February 26th, 2009, 01:51 AM	#19
KnoxNinja BRKDWN. Name: Jimi Location: Knoxville, TN Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 89 GPX250R, 89 GPZ500S Posts: 126	Hmm... 66 degrees and sunny tomorrow (Thursday)... Dragon run anyone??

February 26th, 2009, 09:53 PM	#22
jpnfrk Her name is Itoshii Name: Nani Location: Charlotte, NC Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Kawasaki Ninja 250 Posts: 311 Blog Entries: 3	If the forecast wasn't rainy for this weekend I'd love to visit the Dragon... probably in the car first to check out the danger spots then take the bike when I am less of a newbie on it... __________________________________________________ "A frog in a well can not see the ocean" ~ Japanese proverb

February 27th, 2009, 07:00 AM	#23
BlueTyke So slow I'm first! Name: Sunny Location: San Jose, CA Join Date: Oct 2008 Motorcycle(s): 06 Kawasaki Ninja EX250 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 10	wants to go wants to go wants to go wantstogowantstogowantstogo..... __________________________________________________ Learn from the mistakes of others, you cannot make them all yourself. Save yourself the trouble and Learn.

February 27th, 2009, 07:16 AM	#24
KnoxNinja BRKDWN. Name: Jimi Location: Knoxville, TN Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 89 GPX250R, 89 GPZ500S Posts: 126	I ended up not going yesterday due to oversleepage after work. Maybe next week though if the weather is decent. I think the Deal's Gap store will be open, and the 500R has earned some stickers. Hopefully the 250 will one day soon.

March 2nd, 2009, 07:21 AM	#26
TnNinjaGirl Ms. Personality Name: CB Location: Murvill, TN Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): Depends on the week you ask Posts: A lot.	Alright guys, I'm ready for a Dragon ride sometime soon. I was forced to drive Jimi's Suby up there the other night and I remembered how much I love that road. Also, I got my suspension straightened out and I'm wanting to test that as well. I plan to go this weekend. Forecast says mid 60's with 30% chance of rain. In East TN terms, no one has a freakin clue... For all of those in the nearby area give us a holler. For those a little further out... Your call.

March 2nd, 2009, 07:37 AM	#27
BlueTyke So slow I'm first! Name: Sunny Location: San Jose, CA Join Date: Oct 2008 Motorcycle(s): 06 Kawasaki Ninja EX250 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 10	As I sit at my desk staring at the white fluffy stuff whirling around the window (yes I can type without looking at the screen, pardon any mistakes) I have to wonder where the warmth will come from. Though I must say I am tempted to pull Tyke out just to get some snow pictures, and put her new bra on, I wouldn't have the achem (for lack of better word) balls, to ride in this. I doubt it will be warm enough by this weekend. So in short. Have fun! Take pictures! __________________________________________________ Learn from the mistakes of others, you cannot make them all yourself. Save yourself the trouble and Learn.

March 2nd, 2009, 03:31 PM	#28
TnNinjaGirl Ms. Personality Name: CB Location: Murvill, TN Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): Depends on the week you ask Posts: A lot.	It went from 20 to 70 about 2 weeks ago. It snowed yesterday morning. The day before it was 60. Today it was supposed to be 28. It was 38. In East TN when they call for 30 percent chance of rain, it's probably not going to happen. Anything 50 percent and above we watch out for. As for the temperature, it's more of a general guestimation. Granted we do get to enjoy all four seasons. They are just unpredictable. Sunny, you have got to come down to TN sometime and ride with us. If not, we'l meet in VA or something. Same goes for everyone else.

March 2nd, 2009, 05:07 PM	#29
BlueTyke So slow I'm first! Name: Sunny Location: San Jose, CA Join Date: Oct 2008 Motorcycle(s): 06 Kawasaki Ninja EX250 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 10	Heck yeah! I am game! Got room on your floor? (suffers a relapse of memory remembering this conversation but on Kelly's floor) __________________________________________________ Learn from the mistakes of others, you cannot make them all yourself. Save yourself the trouble and Learn.

March 2nd, 2009, 06:11 PM	#30
noche_caliente ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Kim Location: mundo de ensueño Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 250 Posts: A lot.	Sunny - I'm on the way, and we currently have 2 guest bedrooms

March 2nd, 2009, 06:29 PM	#31
BlueTyke So slow I'm first! Name: Sunny Location: San Jose, CA Join Date: Oct 2008 Motorcycle(s): 06 Kawasaki Ninja EX250 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 10	That works too! Whoot! I feel a weekend away coming on! __________________________________________________ Learn from the mistakes of others, you cannot make them all yourself. Save yourself the trouble and Learn.

March 2nd, 2009, 08:42 PM	#32
jpnfrk Her name is Itoshii Name: Nani Location: Charlotte, NC Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Kawasaki Ninja 250 Posts: 311 Blog Entries: 3	The temps are a bit crazy here in NC as well, hopefully it'll warm up by the time the weekend comes around... __________________________________________________ "A frog in a well can not see the ocean" ~ Japanese proverb

March 2nd, 2009, 09:03 PM	#33
noche_caliente ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Kim Location: mundo de ensueño Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 250 Posts: A lot.	Nani, I'm just a little north of you, and they're saying it's going to be 60 here on saturday.... at least I can ride into work - makes the Saturday work days a little easier

March 3rd, 2009, 07:11 AM	#37
TnNinjaGirl Ms. Personality Name: CB Location: Murvill, TN Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): Depends on the week you ask Posts: A lot.	Plenty of room on the floor and the couch. If only I had a garage. Road conditions were pretty horrible. My Honda was having problems staying on the road (or was that me?) because of the salt. We'll see if we can get a road report for this weekend for interested parties. Most of you guys are pretty far away though. Also, I keep seeing pictures of Kelly's garage with plenty of room for me to sleep. What he doesn't know is that I can sleep sitting upright on a Ninja 250. To add to that, because it's green I'll fall asleep faster. Problem solved Kelly...

March 3rd, 2009, 07:27 AM	#38
BlueTyke So slow I'm first! Name: Sunny Location: San Jose, CA Join Date: Oct 2008 Motorcycle(s): 06 Kawasaki Ninja EX250 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 10	hehehe! I will have to plan a weekend down that way... __________________________________________________ Learn from the mistakes of others, you cannot make them all yourself. Save yourself the trouble and Learn.

March 3rd, 2009, 09:35 PM	#40
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	Just be on the lookout for black ice. Sounds like conditions might be about right for it in spots.

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