Anyone have a HR1 Riot or full V.A.L.E. full system from Two Bros?

Cochese · December 19th, 2008, 06:08 PM

I'm trying to decide on an HR1 Riot slip on...

http://www.hardrockmotorsports.com/h...0_NINJA08.html

...or a V.A.L.E.™ M-2 Complete Exhaust System...

http://www.twobros.com/cgi-bin/shopp...R-FULL-08.html

Can we compare/contrast?

I sent kkim a PM, but I need something to occupy my time while I wait for his brain to warm up.

For further consideration, I'm trying to decide on one of these, and an upgrade path for intake and jetting.

Thanks all!

VeX · December 19th, 2008, 07:30 PM

Those anodized HR1 pipes look friggin sweet! The catch is that BOTH of those are going to be loud as a mother ****a! It's kind of irritating and you're bound to piss off the fuzz...

... No wait you ARE the fuzz!

kkim · December 19th, 2008, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeX

Those anodized HR1 pipes look friggin sweet! The catch is that BOTH of those are going to be loud as a mother ****a! It's kind of irritating and you're bound to piss off the fuzz...

... No wait you ARE the fuzz!

lol... so he'll piss himself off?? "Quiet down!!!... Will not!!!... will too... will not... will too... "

Alex · December 19th, 2008, 07:39 PM

Clenzer72 was selling a HR1 Riot slip-on at a good price on another board, he may still have it.

Cochese · December 19th, 2008, 07:53 PM

Lol... You guys kill me. I've never been big on enforcing noise.

That said, I like the sound of both and the HR1 is adjustable. The 2bros has a silencer insert IIRC.

I may be going full for the flow and no cats.

I like the price of that used one though!

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kkim · December 19th, 2008, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochese

Lol... You guys kill me. I've never been big on enforcing noise.

That said, I like the sound of both and the HR1 is adjustable. The 2bros has a silencer insert IIRC.

I may be going full for the flow and no cats.

I like the price of that used one though!

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you could always buy the HR1, cut open the stock header pipe and remove the cat, then weld it back up.

CRXTrek · December 19th, 2008, 08:08 PM

I made the mistake of buying an HR-1 can

My opinion , OVER priced , No quality , and the ajustability they brag about isn't there . It's so loud i kept my revs under 4,000.
I would stay with an A P or Yoshi if i were you

Cochese · December 19th, 2008, 08:27 PM

But I like loud!

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CRXTrek · December 19th, 2008, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochese

But I like loud!

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Then run a straight pipe and save some money
GP look

kkim · December 19th, 2008, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CRXTrek

Then run a straight pipe and save some money
GP look

give him time... let him have his fun.

after he tires of the loud exhaust ringing his ears, I predict an AP quite core in his future.

Cochese... have you seen this thread? http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=10209

Sailariel · December 19th, 2008, 09:24 PM

Kelly, I will probably modify the jets in the carbs, and will anodize my wheels in gold, get a Corbin seat,and get a new windscreen either from Zero Gravity or someone else--and who knows what else I will do. I will, however keep the stock exhaust. I love the quiet.

kkim · December 19th, 2008, 09:27 PM

Alex... yeah, but choices, that's what makes this country so great.

... but I agree, I like quiet bikes, too.
Must be an age thing?

VeX · December 19th, 2008, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kkim

Alex... yeah, but choices, that's what makes this country so great.

... but I agree, I like quiet bikes, too.
Must be an age thing?

Whaaaaat? You'll have to speak up... I can't hear ANYTHING at about 3,000+ RPM's over my standard core Area P!

I can't stress enough how annoyingly loud the short pipe mufflers are. Although I heard a LOUD HD come chugging up my street earlier today so It made me feel a little less bad about the loudness of mine

Now there is NO reason to have that attrociously loud a pipe.

kkim · December 19th, 2008, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeX

Whaaaaat? You'll have to speak up... I can't hear ANYTHING at about 3,000+ RPM's over my standard core Area P!

I can't stress enough how annoyingly loud the short pipe mufflers are. Although I heard a LOUD HD come chugging up my street earlier today so It made me feel a little less bad about the loudness of mine

Now there is NO reason to have that attrociously loud a pipe.

see??? another old fart!!

Cochese · December 19th, 2008, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kkim

give him time... let him have his fun.

after he tires of the loud exhaust ringing his ears, I predict an AP quite core in his future.

Cochese... have you seen this thread? http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=10209

You guys kill me!

Kelly, I hit up your ear plug thread!

CRXTrek (Steve) has graciously sold my his HR1

I'm gonna shim for now and install that, after I paint the endcap flat black.

VeX · December 19th, 2008, 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochese

You guys kill me!

Kelly, I hit up your ear plug thread!

CRXTrek (Steve) has graciously sold my his HR1

I'm gonna shim for now and install that, after I paint the endcap flat black.

WHHHHHHAAATTT??? I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THAT LOUD ASS CAN!!!

I've been waiting all day for the right opportunity to do that

kkim · December 19th, 2008, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochese

Kelly, I hit up your ear plug thread!

Good... you're gonna need some!

Cochese · December 19th, 2008, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeX

WHHHHHHAAATTT??? I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THAT LOUD ASS CAN!!!

I've been waiting all day for the right opportunity to do that

Quote:

Originally Posted by kkim

Good... you're gonna need some!

It's only 6.8 miles to work, one way!

kkim · December 19th, 2008, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeX

WHHHHHHAAATTT??? I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THAT LOUD ASS CAN!!!

I've been waiting all day for the right opportunity to do that

dadum, pish!!

k-os · December 19th, 2008, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochese

Lol... You guys kill me. I've never been big on enforcing noise.

That said, I like the sound of both and the HR1 is adjustable. The 2bros has a silencer insert IIRC.

I may be going full for the flow and no cats.

I like the price of that used one though!

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Hard-Rock was selling the HR1 slip-ons for $318, on eBay, during Thanksgiving. I was pretty tempted to get one.

Cochese · December 19th, 2008, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k-os

Hard-Rock was selling the HR1 slip-ons for $318, on eBay, during Thanksgiving. I was pretty tempted to get one.

I won't tell you what I stole Steve's for!

(Thanks Steve!)

CRXTrek · December 19th, 2008, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochese

It's only 6.8 miles to work, one way!

I hope it is daylight rush hour travel

CRXTrek · December 20th, 2008, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochese

I won't tell you what I stole Steve's for!

(Thanks Steve!)

Hey, I was about to recycle it with my cans

Damn, There are alot of Smileys here

kkim · December 20th, 2008, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CRXTrek

Damn, There are alot of Smileys here

why, yes... yes there are.

Cochese · December 20th, 2008, 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CRXTrek

I hope it is daylight rush hour travel

Quote:

Originally Posted by CRXTrek

Hey, I was about to recycle it with my cans

Damn, There are alot of Smileys here

I'm glad you didn't!

Quote:

Originally Posted by kkim

why, yes... yes there are.

Best place to buy a FSM?

kkim · December 20th, 2008, 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochese

Best place to buy a FSM?

Direct from Kawasaki or there are bootleg photocopies on eBay.

g21-30 · December 20th, 2008, 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochese

Lol... You guys kill me.

I told you, these guys will take no survivors!! I bet when you show the officer your badge, he will ask where you bought the muffler, because he wants one also!

Cochese · December 20th, 2008, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by g21-30

I told you, these guys will take no survivors!! I bet when you show the officer your badge, he will ask where you bought the muffler, because he wants one also!

Ok, I got an email back from Area-P about buying a header directly from them to fab the HR1 to...

Quote:

Hi Jason,

Thank you for the inquiry. Our systems are normally only available and priced as a complete unit, since we manufacture them as matching sets. But from time to time, we do have headpipes only for sale. We do currently have a few available. Price is $295.00.

Sincerely,

Kerry Bryant

Only issues I see are here... (thanks for the pics kkim!)

The stock manifold has a tab to put a bolt into the frame near the rear brake lever/foot peg.

This is not present on the Area P header. I see this needing to be fabbed on. My only other concern is the departure angle of the header as it would feed into the Area P can not matching the angle required for the HR1. That, and the diameter of the header vs the stock manifold and whether it will fit.

Any ideas?

I think it's safe to assume I'm the first knuckle head to try this or at least post about it.

Cochese · December 20th, 2008, 04:46 PM

I'm interested in seeing this through since, even with the cost of the used can ($100), the header ($300) and some minor welding fab at the muffler shop, ($50-100), I'm still into a full exhaust for $450-500 as opposed to the full system from any of the vendors, and it's something to call my own.

CRXTrek · December 20th, 2008, 04:49 PM

You can use a clamp ,like h-d pipes have and bolt it at the same place for support
Any muffler shop can enlarge the hr 1 to fit
http://www.denniskirk.com/jsp/produc...d=40306&mmyId=

Cochese · December 20th, 2008, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CRXTrek

You can use a clamp ,like h-d pipes have and bolt it at the same place for support
Any muffler shop can enlarge the hr 1 to fit

I thought about that but was worried that a clamp either wouldn't be as secure as a tab welded on, or would lead to rattles!

If a Harley can do it, the Ninja probably can.

I don't know much about exhaust fab. Do the use some type of spanner to widen the mouth of the HR1?

CRXTrek · December 20th, 2008, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochese

I thought about that but was worried that a clamp either wouldn't be as secure as a tab welded on, or would lead to rattles!

If a Harley can do it, the Ninja probably can.

I don't know much about exhaust fab. Do the use some type of spanner to widen the mouth of the HR1?

They have a machine to open up diameters or compress them.
Most shops custom bend full car systems from straight tubing stock and they can put in any mufflers

Cochese · December 20th, 2008, 05:06 PM

Do any of the clamps here look like they need to be ordered?

http://hardrockmotorsports.com/HR1_w..._products.html

Cochese · December 20th, 2008, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CRXTrek

They have a machine to open up diameters or compress them.
Most shops custom bend full car systems from straight tubing stock and they can put in any mufflers

Makes sense!

CRXTrek · December 20th, 2008, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochese

Do any of the clamps here look like they need to be ordered?

http://hardrockmotorsports.com/HR1_w..._products.html

I wouldn't . you can use you stock clamp, it's stronger than the one they have
The clamp in the link i posted can be picked up at any parts store

Cochese · December 20th, 2008, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CRXTrek

I wouldn't . you can use you stock clamp, it's stronger than the one they have
The clamp in the link i posted can be picked up at any parts store

Noted.

CRXTrek · December 20th, 2008, 05:27 PM

This looks like it will make a great,LOUD,system on the cheap
Pipes look to have the same bend where it matters...by the foot peg
Good luck

kkim · December 20th, 2008, 05:32 PM

The area P header flairs out at the end... I don't know if you've noticed that or not. It will not fit a muffler with a stock diameter inlet.

CRXTrek · December 20th, 2008, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kkim

The area P header flairs out at the end... I don't know if you've noticed that or not. It will not fit a muffler with a stock diameter inlet.

The HR1 needs the headpipe cut right behind the support tange at the bend and he will need the pipes massaged to fit together

Cochese · December 20th, 2008, 05:39 PM

Looks like its nothing $100 at the muffler shop can't knock out!

December 19th, 2008, 06:08 PM	#1
Cochese The Grand Royal Name: Cochese Location: Unmarked Rustbox Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R Posts: 258	Anyone have a HR1 Riot or full V.A.L.E. full system from Two Bros? I'm trying to decide on an HR1 Riot slip on... http://www.hardrockmotorsports.com/h...0_NINJA08.html ...or a V.A.L.E.™ M-2 Complete Exhaust System... http://www.twobros.com/cgi-bin/shopp...R-FULL-08.html Can we compare/contrast? I sent kkim a PM, but I need something to occupy my time while I wait for his brain to warm up. For further consideration, I'm trying to decide on one of these, and an upgrade path for intake and jetting. Thanks all!

December 19th, 2008, 07:39 PM	#4
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December 19th, 2008, 07:30 PM	#2
VeX That's me! Name: TJ Location: Ames, IA Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250r (Tis blue), 2008 CBR600RR Posts: 454	Those anodized HR1 pipes look friggin sweet! The catch is that BOTH of those are going to be loud as a mother ****a! It's kind of irritating and you're bound to piss off the fuzz... ... No wait you ARE the fuzz!

December 19th, 2008, 07:53 PM	#5
Cochese The Grand Royal Name: Cochese Location: Unmarked Rustbox Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R Posts: 258	Lol... You guys kill me. I've never been big on enforcing noise. That said, I like the sound of both and the HR1 is adjustable. The 2bros has a silencer insert IIRC. I may be going full for the flow and no cats. I like the price of that used one though! Posted via Mobile Device

December 19th, 2008, 08:08 PM	#7
CRXTrek FORMER MOTORCYCLE RIDER Name: Steve Location: On a Trek SU200 or in my CRX Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): Rode an 08 250r then rode an 08 ZX-6R until i totaled it on 7/10/10 Posts: 758	I made the mistake of buying an HR-1 can My opinion , OVER priced , No quality , and the ajustability they brag about isn't there . It's so loud i kept my revs under 4,000. I would stay with an A P or Yoshi if i were you

December 19th, 2008, 08:27 PM	#8
Cochese The Grand Royal Name: Cochese Location: Unmarked Rustbox Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R Posts: 258	But I like loud! Posted via Mobile Device

December 19th, 2008, 09:24 PM	#11
Sailariel ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Alex Location: Belfast, ME Join Date: Jul 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Honda NT-700-V, formerly, Green 2008 Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.	Kelly, I will probably modify the jets in the carbs, and will anodize my wheels in gold, get a Corbin seat,and get a new windscreen either from Zero Gravity or someone else--and who knows what else I will do. I will, however keep the stock exhaust. I love the quiet.

December 19th, 2008, 09:27 PM	#12
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	Alex... yeah, but choices, that's what makes this country so great. ... but I agree, I like quiet bikes, too. Must be an age thing?

December 20th, 2008, 04:46 PM	#29
Cochese The Grand Royal Name: Cochese Location: Unmarked Rustbox Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R Posts: 258	I'm interested in seeing this through since, even with the cost of the used can ($100), the header ($300) and some minor welding fab at the muffler shop, ($50-100), I'm still into a full exhaust for $450-500 as opposed to the full system from any of the vendors, and it's something to call my own.

December 20th, 2008, 04:49 PM	#30
CRXTrek FORMER MOTORCYCLE RIDER Name: Steve Location: On a Trek SU200 or in my CRX Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): Rode an 08 250r then rode an 08 ZX-6R until i totaled it on 7/10/10 Posts: 758	You can use a clamp ,like h-d pipes have and bolt it at the same place for support Any muffler shop can enlarge the hr 1 to fit http://www.denniskirk.com/jsp/produc...d=40306&mmyId=

December 20th, 2008, 05:06 PM	#33
Cochese The Grand Royal Name: Cochese Location: Unmarked Rustbox Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R Posts: 258	Do any of the clamps here look like they need to be ordered? http://hardrockmotorsports.com/HR1_w..._products.html

December 20th, 2008, 05:27 PM	#37
CRXTrek FORMER MOTORCYCLE RIDER Name: Steve Location: On a Trek SU200 or in my CRX Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): Rode an 08 250r then rode an 08 ZX-6R until i totaled it on 7/10/10 Posts: 758	This looks like it will make a great,LOUD,system on the cheap Pipes look to have the same bend where it matters...by the foot peg Good luck

December 20th, 2008, 05:32 PM	#38
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	The area P header flairs out at the end... I don't know if you've noticed that or not. It will not fit a muffler with a stock diameter inlet.

December 20th, 2008, 05:39 PM	#40
Cochese The Grand Royal Name: Cochese Location: Unmarked Rustbox Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R Posts: 258	Looks like its nothing $100 at the muffler shop can't knock out!