Shogun Sliders and Vibration

ninja11 · July 29th, 2009, 12:51 PM

I recently installed a Shogun slider kit on my 250. I followed the directions precisely and torqued all the bolts to the required numbers. After installation, I feel that there is a bit more vibration now, compared to before I installed the Shogun kit. Has anyone experienced this same thing?

randomwalk101 · July 29th, 2009, 01:31 PM

the engine bolt that shogun replaces is smaller in diameter than the OEM so there might be some room there causing more vibration?

ninja11 · July 29th, 2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by randomwalk101

the engine bolt that shogun replaces is smaller in diameter than the OEM so there might be some room there causing more vibration?

possibly. I have read that the bolts that come with the kit do not meet the same standards as the oem engine bolts. The biggest difference from what I can see is that the entire bolt is threaded (shogun) rather than only the ends (oem). Maybe that plays into it. Any other input?

Banzai · July 29th, 2009, 05:42 PM

click here for the wiki where I answer this question You need to be especially careful with the WAY that you torque the assembly back together with the Shogun bolts.

randomwalk101 · July 29th, 2009, 06:39 PM

go to a hardware store and find a bolt/nut same size (diameter) as stock but as long as the Shogun..replace...done...

abyssdncr · July 29th, 2009, 06:58 PM

No vibration issues with my Shoguns.

I know the rod is fully threaded, but properly torqued, the engine should be held firmly enough by the tension of the torqued nut/head to prevent engine movement.

Odd...?

Edit: I will add that when I installed my bars, with the bike on a rear stand, I used a floor jack under the engine to relieve weight on the mounting bolts. Once the OE bolt was loose enough to spin with my fingers, I used the new slider bar bolt to push the OE bolt out and torqued it firmly before letting the jack back down. Repeat (with more jack pressure) with the rear bolt. Then torqued both bolts to final specs.

ninja11 · July 29th, 2009, 07:10 PM

I have read that wiki page, and I definitely put the bolts in without any force, since I had the engine jacked up. I torqued it down to 40lbs, so I don't know what it could be. The vibration isn't super bad, but I think it is still present.

RaceBikeRentals · July 29th, 2009, 07:46 PM

I didn't notice an increase of vibration when I installed the Shoguns. Has anyone else noticed it? Maybe you're being more sensitive to it for some reason?

ninja11 · July 29th, 2009, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RaceBikeRentals

I didn't notice an increase of vibration when I installed the Shoguns. Has anyone else noticed it? Maybe you're being more sensitive to it for some reason?

LOL that is what I was thinking, but then again why would I notice vibration out of everything else? It is a good possibility though, I will keep riding and let you guys know if the vibration dissipates or stays constant..... One other thought... I also changed my oil when I had the bike disassembled, could that play a role in the vibration at all?

ninja11 · July 29th, 2009, 07:52 PM

btw, thanks to all for the input, it is greatly appreciated!

kkim · July 29th, 2009, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ninja11

One other thought... I also changed my oil when I had the bike disassembled, could that play a role in the vibration at all?

highly unlikely

edit- is your oil filled to the correct level in the sight glass?

RaceBikeRentals · July 29th, 2009, 07:53 PM

Absolutely. A different brand of oil can totally change the feel of the bike.

RaceBikeRentals · July 29th, 2009, 07:54 PM

Lol

ninja11 · July 29th, 2009, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kkim

highly unlikely

edit- is your oil filled to the correct level in the sight glass?

yes, it is between the upper and lower fill lines. Closer to the upper fill line.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaceBikeRentals

Absolutely. A different brand of oil can totally change the feel of the bike.

dammit i knew it, lol

kkim · July 29th, 2009, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ninja11

yes, it is between the upper and lower fill lines. Closer to the upper fill line.

with the bike level and fully vertical?

ninja11 · July 29th, 2009, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kkim

with the bike level and fully vertical?

yes, the bike is level, and I am trying to hold it as vertically as possible (off the kickstand). The general steps I followed were as follows, I put the new filter, and then the new oil to the upper fill line, started the bike for ~15sec. waited and refilled, that is the correct procedure right?

would you recommend that I try to disassemble the bike once again, jack the motor, and re-torque all the bolts?

kkim · July 29th, 2009, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ninja11

yes, the bike is level, and I am trying to hold it as vertically as possible (off the kickstand). The general steps I followed were as follows, I put the new filter, and then the new oil to the upper fill line, started the bike for ~15sec. waited and refilled, that is the correct procedure right?

would you recommend that I try to disassemble the bike once again, jack the motor, and re-torque all the bolts?

just making sure your oil level was not the the cause of the vibration due to overfilling. it sounds like you have it correct.

If the vibration bothers you, yeah, try redoing the bolts and see if it helps.

ninja11 · July 29th, 2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kkim

just making sure your oil level was not the the cause of the vibration due to overfilling. it sounds like you have it correct.

If the vibration bothers you, yeah, try redoing the bolts and see if it helps.

thanks so much for the help!

One other thing I noticed is that the radiator hose is touching the shogun bracket, could this cause a hole or leak due to the constant rubbing? The shogun directions did not describe moving or rotating the hose at all (except for pushing it out of the way to insert the engine bolt), but I was just curious.

kkim · July 29th, 2009, 08:24 PM

can't comment on the hose question. that would be better answered by someone who has had shoguns on their bike for a awhile. I think Broom has them on his race bike... you might want to ask him.

kkim · July 29th, 2009, 08:35 PM

somemore info on the shoguns, courtesy of banzai.

http://www.kawiforums.com/1659087-post5.html

July 29th, 2009, 12:51 PM	#1
ninja11 ninjette.org member Name: Dave Location: Florida Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): 250 Posts: 14	Shogun Sliders and Vibration I recently installed a Shogun slider kit on my 250. I followed the directions precisely and torqued all the bolts to the required numbers. After installation, I feel that there is a bit more vibration now, compared to before I installed the Shogun kit. Has anyone experienced this same thing?

July 29th, 2009, 05:42 PM	#4
Banzai Psychic war veteran Name: Thomas Location: Norfolk, VA Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): Kawi Green '09 Ninja ZX6R Posts: 663	click here for the wiki where I answer this question You need to be especially careful with the WAY that you torque the assembly back together with the Shogun bolts. __________________________________________________ * If you're arguing with some idiot over the internet, chances are pretty good he's doing the same thing! Zodiac Mindwarp and the Love Reaction

July 29th, 2009, 07:46 PM	#8
RaceBikeRentals Pimpin Name: Richard Location: Ninja 250 Whorehouse Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): Bunch of em Posts: 973	I didn't notice an increase of vibration when I installed the Shoguns. Has anyone else noticed it? Maybe you're being more sensitive to it for some reason? __________________________________________________ -Richard MotoList.com <<<List your stuff!

July 29th, 2009, 07:53 PM	#12
RaceBikeRentals Pimpin Name: Richard Location: Ninja 250 Whorehouse Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): Bunch of em Posts: 973	Absolutely. A different brand of oil can totally change the feel of the bike. __________________________________________________ -Richard MotoList.com <<<List your stuff!

July 29th, 2009, 07:54 PM	#13
RaceBikeRentals Pimpin Name: Richard Location: Ninja 250 Whorehouse Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): Bunch of em Posts: 973	Lol __________________________________________________ -Richard MotoList.com <<<List your stuff!

July 29th, 2009, 01:31 PM	#2
randomwalk101 self wrencher Name: john Location: houston Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 250r and 07 600r Posts: A lot.	the engine bolt that shogun replaces is smaller in diameter than the OEM so there might be some room there causing more vibration?

July 29th, 2009, 06:39 PM	#5
randomwalk101 self wrencher Name: john Location: houston Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 250r and 07 600r Posts: A lot.	go to a hardware store and find a bolt/nut same size (diameter) as stock but as long as the Shogun..replace...done...

July 29th, 2009, 06:58 PM	#6
abyssdncr ninjette.org member Name: Brian Location: Central KS Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): '07 VStrom 1000 - '06 TW200 Posts: 26	No vibration issues with my Shoguns. I know the rod is fully threaded, but properly torqued, the engine should be held firmly enough by the tension of the torqued nut/head to prevent engine movement. Odd...? Edit: I will add that when I installed my bars, with the bike on a rear stand, I used a floor jack under the engine to relieve weight on the mounting bolts. Once the OE bolt was loose enough to spin with my fingers, I used the new slider bar bolt to push the OE bolt out and torqued it firmly before letting the jack back down. Repeat (with more jack pressure) with the rear bolt. Then torqued both bolts to final specs.

July 29th, 2009, 07:10 PM	#7
ninja11 ninjette.org member Name: Dave Location: Florida Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): 250 Posts: 14	I have read that wiki page, and I definitely put the bolts in without any force, since I had the engine jacked up. I torqued it down to 40lbs, so I don't know what it could be. The vibration isn't super bad, but I think it is still present.

July 29th, 2009, 07:52 PM	#10
ninja11 ninjette.org member Name: Dave Location: Florida Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): 250 Posts: 14	btw, thanks to all for the input, it is greatly appreciated!

July 29th, 2009, 08:24 PM	#19
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	can't comment on the hose question. that would be better answered by someone who has had shoguns on their bike for a awhile. I think Broom has them on his race bike... you might want to ask him.

July 29th, 2009, 08:35 PM	#20
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	somemore info on the shoguns, courtesy of banzai. http://www.kawiforums.com/1659087-post5.html

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