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Old February 13th, 2015, 11:03 AM   #1
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Hi all -

Getting a handful of notifications each day, that a user is trying to log into an account here 5 times, and is locked out for 15 minutes before being able to try again. The reason I am seeing the notifications is that an email is then sent out to warn the user that something may be going on, and then that email is bouncing because the user hasn't been here in so long that their email account is no longer the same. So I'm probably only seeing a subset of these, and many might not be bouncing back because the emails are still valid.

These attempts log the IP address, but the problem is that just about every one is coming from a completely different IP. It appears to be a persistent effort, used by proxies and/or botnets, that is not trivial to prevent, while keeping the site still usable / accessible.

So - consider changing your password on this site and others from time to time. Use as strong a password as you are comfortable with. Consider using a password manager like LastPass or DashLane, which both automate using very complicated passwords on all the sites & apps you use. And let me know if you're seeing anything strange; I'll do the same here.

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Old February 16th, 2015, 08:29 PM   #2
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Old February 17th, 2015, 07:22 AM   #3
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Old February 17th, 2015, 08:45 AM   #4
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on another forum i am in .. a new user ( with one post) wrote the following..

Sorry if this is in the wrong place.
I received an automated email stating that there were failed attempts
to log in under my user name.
the IP Address 120.202.249.205
This address is linked to multiple fourm attacks and is from China.
Blocking the upstream servers would be advisable. Thank you.


name is Xoy geha from New Mexico, Las Cruces...

one post and putting that up on that other forum..

i'll be changing my password soon..
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Old February 17th, 2015, 08:57 AM   #5
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Danger FYI

Just received an E-mail someone attempted 5x to log into my account. I am the only person with the password (wife and friends dont have it) to this account so someone is trying to hack NINJETTE.ORG. Keep an eye on your own accounts.
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Old February 17th, 2015, 10:09 AM   #6
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Old February 17th, 2015, 10:32 AM   #7
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on another forum i am in .. a new user ( with one post) wrote the following..

Sorry if this is in the wrong place.
I received an automated email stating that there were failed attempts
to log in under my user name.
the IP Address 120.202.249.205
This address is linked to multiple fourm attacks and is from China.
Blocking the upstream servers would be advisable. Thank you.


name is Xoy geha from New Mexico, Las Cruces...

one post and putting that up on that other forum..

i'll be changing my password soon..
There are other reports of this on the main vbulletin forum. All of the IP addresses coming through on these are completely different, each time. There isn't an easy (or a hard) way to simply block the bad guys here, without blocking the ability of all users to be able to log in as normal. The 5-time lockout for 15 minutes is a relatively effective control to keep people from guessing forever. For a relatively strong password, random guessing 5 times every 15 minutes would take millions of years based on random chance. Of course if the password is more easily guessable (same as username, used on many sites and compromised elsewhere, "password123", etc.), people can certainly have their accounts taken over by this.
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Old February 17th, 2015, 10:59 AM   #8
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Old February 17th, 2015, 11:43 AM   #9
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There isn't an easy (or a hard) way to simply block the bad guys here, without blocking the ability of all users to be able to log in as normal.
have you tried just asking them nicely?
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Old February 17th, 2015, 11:44 AM   #10
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Old February 17th, 2015, 02:06 PM   #11
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got an email yesterday about my username trying to be hacked as well. from IP: 213.238.128.130.
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Old February 17th, 2015, 03:51 PM   #12
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2-17-15 12:45 am, IP 84.72.142.174. Traces to Wohlen, Switzerland. Of course, IPs can be spoofed. While looking up that IP, I came across an interesting anti-spammer/harvester/attacker project:

https://www.projecthoneypot.org/faq.php

Also, you can check an IP address to see what kind of "record" it has:

https://www.projecthoneypot.org/search_ip.php
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Old February 17th, 2015, 04:07 PM   #13
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Given the lengths and complexity of passwords I have to use on a daily basis, I am always reminded of the XKCD comic.

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Old February 17th, 2015, 04:26 PM   #14
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This attack is hard to prevent. We have a ton of anti-spammer type controls in place here that work pretty well. There are hundreds (some days thousands) of attempts to sign up new accounts. All of those are validated through anti-spam databases. Even after someone gets past that, their first few posts have a pretty stringent spam filter, so it catches them before it is shown to others, and they can be easily deleted.

But - just the process of attempting to log in, it's hard to block ahead of time. Yes, I can list any individual IP address or network to be blocked to the forum, but it becomes an unwinnable game of whackamole. I haven't seen a dupe IP yet in the hundreds of notifications I've looked through. And there is no provision for vBulletin to dynamically check an IP before even allowing it to attempt to log in, against the known spammer addresses. It can maybe be done at the server level, through mods to apache, but again, it needs to be dynamic and updated automatically, or it is pointless.
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Old February 17th, 2015, 04:31 PM   #15
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come on, it's totally easy.

just add an extra field to the login screen that says "what are you?" and remove the people who answer "Spam bot"
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Old February 17th, 2015, 04:47 PM   #16
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I dunno about most of you guys, but I stay logged in most of the time. Alex, if you added a captcha to the login, I personally wouldn't mind. Might wanna get the feedback of other ninjetters, though
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Old February 17th, 2015, 04:53 PM   #17
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come on, it's totally easy.

just add an extra field to the login screen that says "what are you?" and remove the people who answer "Spam bot"
If you had read the Terms and Conditions in its entirety, you would've seen "no spam bots allowed"
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Old February 17th, 2015, 05:23 PM   #18
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i have no issue typing a captcha when i need to log in. but i know some people are less able to recognize a picture of numbers on the side of a house.
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Old February 17th, 2015, 05:36 PM   #19
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I've found scripts to auto-populate the blocking lists with the Spamhaus and other blocklists, but running the last handful of IPs coming through on the notifications shows them all to still be clean on Spamhaus (in other words, it wouldn't block them then, and it still wouldn't block them now). Captcha for login is not directly available; which is a little surprising, as it is available for registration, posting, contact us, searching, etc. Just not as a requirement for each login. There was a mod for 3.6 to add it, but it hasn't been updated for years and isn't compatible with this version.

While this is annoying, I don't know of 1 user who has had their account taken over yet, assuming that the first thing someone would do is start posting up spam of some sort.
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Old February 17th, 2015, 11:22 PM   #20
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Old February 17th, 2015, 11:48 PM   #21
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Old February 18th, 2015, 07:43 AM   #22
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It looks like they were able to pop one account (@Viskoner) last night, and have used it to send an annoying spam to a number of members via PM. I have since deleted all of them, so if you received a notification and yet don't see it now; that's why. Viskoner's password has been changed, and I had to change his email as well, as I have no idea whether it points to him or the spammer. If you are reading this, please use the "contact us" link at the bottom of any page to get in touch and work to get your account restored to normal.

I didn't receive one here, but I got the same spam via a PM on another forum I am on last night as well, so this looks pretty widespread.

Use appropriate passwords, and change them every once in awhile to minimize the chances of this.
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Old February 18th, 2015, 08:13 AM   #23
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Old February 18th, 2015, 10:21 AM   #24
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Old February 18th, 2015, 03:45 PM   #26
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Yeah I received one of those spam private messages this morning. I guess it was from that viskoner guy cause it's been deleted. I also just changed my password to be safe. Thanks @Alex
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spam pm?

I know a few of you also received a pm from a memnber who had not been on in 2 years.


@Alex is this from someone hacking into the users profile?
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Old February 21st, 2015, 07:15 PM   #33
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Old February 21st, 2015, 07:51 PM   #36
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i've been getting these really weird PMs from a few members...

but they're just weird people. i try to understand.
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i've been getting these really weird PMs from a few members...

but they're just weird people. i try to understand.
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