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Old August 21st, 2019, 09:10 AM   #1
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Highway?!!

So dumb question, haven't taken her out on the highway yet being I just got a new tire. However good is the 250 for the long haul and what's a pretty safe speed mechanical wise, are they good for short trips , longer ones? I'm planning an out of town ride about an hr out, and I figure around 65 to 70 there, any thoughts or pointers?!
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Old August 21st, 2019, 09:29 AM   #2
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Our 250s have no problems with highway trips. There are guys here who do cross country steady 70+ mph trips on them. Treat yours like any other capable motorcycle and have fun! When I had the stock fairings on mine it did notice a little more effect of crosswinds than with my larger motorcycles, but nothing that was hard to manage.

Also enjoy the 60+ mpg they're capable of when running right. Mine often gets in the mid-upper 60 mpg range on longer rides without a lot of starts and stops. It has a bone stock engine, airbox, air filter, carbs and exhaust.
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I've done 3-day road trips on mine. Highway, back roads, do it all. No problem. Packed camping gear on her, water, everything. These bikes are pretty capable.
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I've taken mine on trips between San Francisco and Santa Barbara. That's about 5-hrs if I take boring hwy-101. Or about 6.5-hrs on more scenic hwy-1 along coast. No problems whatsoever.
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It does fine with long distance, but I've never gotten more than 50mpg with mine. Probably because I ride it like I stole it.
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Old August 21st, 2019, 12:15 PM   #7
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Thank you for your input. I prefer to ride her like I want to keep owning her, I know she's getting bad milage in town, but that's alot of stop and go and I'm running the premium. K and N air filter and a TIGA exaust. I also know on the highway I won't get the best milage being she's got a 140 rear instead of the stock 130. Again thank you all for your input!!!!
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Thank you for your input. I prefer to ride her like I want to keep owning her, I know she's getting bad milage in town, but that's alot of stop and go and I'm running the premium. K and N air filter and a TIGA exaust. I also know on the highway I won't get the best milage being she's got a 140 rear instead of the stock 130. Again thank you all for your input!!!!
You should still get decent mileage, even with a K&N and aftermarket exhaust - depending on how you ride it.

My 650 will get 50 mpg in-town, or at about 70 on the hwy, without trying. You should be able to best that with the 250. It drops quite a bit when I cruise around 80 though.

Have you made mixture adjustments to the carbs with shims or jets?

If you haven't increased compression you don't need to run Premium. Extra octane will reduce power and mileage. Can you get ethanol-free 87?

The larger rear tire shouldn't effect hwy mileage. Going up 1 tooth on the countershaft will settle the engine down a bit at hwy speeds, but there is a price to pay in-town in reduced acceleration. Some people don't mind the trade-off, others think it's too much.
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As far as I know everything is stock on this bike mechanical wise. I believe here we got 87 90 and 93. I figured running the cheap 87 wouldn't be good for it. And would get less performance. But an aquantance was mentioning one of our stations has a gas called clear so I'll have to check that out.
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Octane is a measure of how fast it burns, not quality. You need to match the octane to the speed your engine is tuned for. They call it 'premium' but it has absolutely no meaning aside from octane number.
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The Ninja likes 87 octane just fine. Not to mention, most people buy regular gas, so it's the freshest gas at the station. When it's got ethanol (which it usually does), that can be a big factor.
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For what it's worth, all I put in my 250 is 87 octane with "up to 10% ethanol added".
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If it's tuned for 87, anything else will give you worse performance. Ethanol can be in any octane but hard to avoid. I haven't found any stations here where I've noticed it's clean.
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For what it's worth, all I put in my 250 is 87 octane with "up to 10% ethanol added".
Some people have no choice but to use gas with ethanol (E10). To get it to run the best possible on E10 you need to richen the mixture. The idle mixture screws should be adjusted out slightly and a shim under the needles wouldn't hurt, but the stock Main Jet is too rich anyway - so it may even run better wide-open on E10.

I can get 87 without ethanol locally, so it's all I run in my cycles and small engines. Ethanol contains and hold water, so I avoid it for anything with a metal gas tank.
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About 3-hrs away for me to find ethanol-free petrol. I just use E10 87-oct just fine on all Ninjettes as that is what's recommended in owner's manual.

I've got some articles and links to real octane info rather than common urban-legends if anyone's interested.
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About 3-hrs away for me to find ethanol-free petrol. I just use E10 87-oct just fine on all Ninjettes as that is what's recommended in owner's manual.

I've got some articles and links to real octane info rather than common urban-legends if anyone's interested.
What are the common urban legends?
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I can get 87 without ethanol locally, so it's all I run in my cycles and small engines.
I can too, but it's a buck or more extra per gallon. In the last ten years I've run nothing but E10 in my motorcycles. I have seen no evidence of rusting in any tank, or any other problem related to the alcohol. I do keep the motorcycles in an air conditioned and heated garage though, so there's not as much moisture around as there would be if they were in less kind quarters. The E10 is what gets me the upper 60s gas mileage too.
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It can handle the highway. I've road tripped from San Francisco to San Diego/LA and it was great! The only thing I'd say is that the ninjette will get pushed around with high winds, but it's not like you'll go down because of that.

MPG is a beast, like 55-60mpgish for me, if your on the freeway moving with traffic, don't plan on gunning the throttle to pass cars, it takes a bit more finesse and planning if you're tryna maneuver and bypass traffic.
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Yeah, any time you brake or increase throttle, it decreases your MPG. There was guy that got 90mpg out of Ninjette. Did extreme hyper-miling techniques such as going 50-60mph on freeway or EOC on off-ramps. I don't have time for that kind of stuff. Getting 50mpg is just fine!

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What are the common urban legends?
That "higher-octane petrol burns slower". Flame-front propagation speed will vary in an engine based upon compression-ratio, throttle-opening, RPMS, etc. However, on exact same engine under same operating conditions, combustion speed will be exactly same ~16.5m/s for both 87 or 91-octane petrol.

The exact opposite is true. Higher compression, larger throttle openings and higher-RPMs results in faster combustion speeds and more power. Similar to black-powder vs. modern smokeless gunpowder, faster combustion generates more power. Oxygenated fuels like nitro-methane or race-gas carries their own on-board oxygen-supply to increase octane-rating AND increase combustion speed for more power.

Or we can go back to basic physics, P=W/S or work/sec. Let's say you can lift 4-bushels of oranges into lorry in 4-seconds; you've generated P=4/4=1 amount of power to do this. Another bloke comes along and shoves identical 4-bushels in only 2-seconds. He's generated P=4/2=2 or twice amount of power. Things happening FASTER is what makes more power, not slower.

Here's some more info on octane, combustion speeds and power.

https://www.scribd.com/document/270451669/What-s-Octane <-- review references at end
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...ar-or-premium/
https://oppositelock.kinja.com/the-r...ane-1785829176
https://www.2strokeheads.com/index.p...-of-detonation
https://link.springer.com/article/10...430-013-0094-y < -- really good

back-to-back dyno testing
https://nasaspeed.news/tech/engine/o...es-more-power/
https://www.hotrod.com/articles/fuel...ng-comparison/ <-- read last paragraph
https://www.hotrod.com/articles/0901...pump-race-gas/


In end, only difference between fuels of different octane-ratings is speed of radical-akyl groups formation during combustion. These are highly sensitive and unstable compounds that cause spontaneous ignition in areas other than flame-front, causing detonation & knock (pre-ignition is something completely different altogether). Higher octane fuels resists formation of radical-akyl groups better and their formation-rate is slower. That's where "slower" comes from since flame-front prop speed is exactly same 16.5m/s with same base petrol.
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I don't like E10, and will avoid it whenever practical, but it can make more power than regular gas. I didn't believe that at first, but it's true.

The caveat is you have to tune for it.

E10 will reduce gas mileage over standard gas in most vehicles, but it is cheaper, so it still may cost less per mile to use.

In this area gas without ethanol is about 10% more expensive than gas with, but gets almost 5% better mileage. Still not a fair trade-off, but I'll take it.
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Ethanol is... 115-octane, so it's potent octane-booster. Much better than those little bottles you get at FLAPS. I've been getting very good results with E85 on boosted vehicles. Downside is that -OH group in alcohols is HUGE and it displaces regular carbon & hydrogen. So you end with fewer C & H to combust per gallon. Automatic loss in MPG, -30% on E85.

Corn lobby is very powerful and they've been very successful at shoving their products everywhere through legislation.

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So that little turn knob on the left of the bike below the seat right above the chain sprocket cover what does that adjust on the carbs (if it's the carbs)
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Just wondering if that will make it easier to adjust anything to the gas rather than taking the flaring off
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The knob you're talking about is probably the idle speed adjustment.
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To make any fuel adjustments, you really have to remove carbs from bike.
Most worthwhile changes require disassembling carbs and replacing parts.
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Was afraid of that. I remember how much I enjoyed putting the air filter back on the carbs when I first got the bike!!!! Well before I go that route I suppose I'll see how this 87 runs tomorrow vs the 91 thank you again for all your input!
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You can do all the adjustments to the carbs without removing them. You'll need one of these. A mirror might help too, though I managed without. With that tool you'll be able to make all adjustments, including changing jets.

Edit: maybe not float levels, I didn't do that one.
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I've taken mine on long trips, it does just fine. The one thing that makes a big difference,is a better seat.

I have a Corbin, and it makes all the difference.
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So that little turn knob on the left of the bike below the seat right above the chain sprocket cover what does that adjust on the carbs (if it's the carbs)
As TJ noted - that's the idle speed adjustment.

This section has more info about that and a lot more - https://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/Intake
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Thank you for all your input! Sorry been a while to respond, life happens I suppose, been using what they call clear gas out here in Nevada at the maverick and 2 full tanks later she runs better and fuel lasts much longer suppose to have no ethanol in it, she's happy so I'm happy. I have that right angle tool so will keep that in mind, and I will be looking into a corbin seat very soon as I moved 20 miles out of town now as the stock one just ain't cutting it !
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You can also use screwdriver like this. I'll spin down handle so it's narrower to give me more room.



Also would be good idea to run through fuel-system cleaner with healthy dose of PEA. Does really good job of clearing out dried petrol varnish and keeps carbs clean.


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An hour on the freeway isn't all that much, but I would suggest going up one tooth on the countershaft sprocket for riding at higher speeds. These things are geared a bit too low. One tooth isn't a big difference, but at higher speeds it takes out some of the "buzziness" as it lowers rpms slightly. One tooth won't require chain replacement either. In-town riding also benefits, as you'll find yourself shifting less often in stop and go traffic. I find this slight gearing change makes these bikes much more enjoyable to ride overall.

As far as gas, mine seems to perform better and definitely gets better mileage on the lower octane stuff. There's about a 5 to 8 mpg difference! I believe the owner's manual recommends lower octane also.

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