Changed the oil now it shuts off when idle.

StrangeKnowledge · October 16th, 2014, 08:34 PM

So I did a Oil change on the bike after having about about 1k miles on it after buying it from a friend it now has about 12k on it. The previous owner said that an oil change and brake job were going to be in order soon. So i changed the oil according to the guide in the book used the T6 full synthetic and a K&N filter. Before the oil change it would idle just fine, now when it's in neutral or clutched it want's to shut off if I do not keep the RPM's up. I guessing it needs a major carb cleaning or rebuild but it's so close to winter storage I don't want to mess with that yet. Any thoughts?

Klondike1020 · October 16th, 2014, 08:56 PM

Did it run fine before you did the oil change.?> it is highly improbable that the oil change effected the idle characteristics. Maybe you did something when you put the new air filter in?> Was the old filter particularly clogged? are you certain you installed the air filter properly and replaced all the components?> If there is an air leak that can effect how it runs.

How old was the fuel in it? you have a 2001 ninja with only 1000 miles?

MrAtom · October 16th, 2014, 09:15 PM

My first oil change I kept the fuel petcock on off and didn't know why it wouldn't start haha. It's probably nothing that dumb, but worth bringing up, anyway.

Klondike1020 · October 16th, 2014, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MrAtom

My first oil change I kept the fuel petcock on off and didn't know why it wouldn't start haha. It's probably nothing that dumb, but worth bringing up, anyway.

Check the obvious and simple stuff first !

lol its the obvious that you skip to easy.

StrangeKnowledge · October 17th, 2014, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Klondike1020

Did it run fine before you did the oil change.?> it is highly improbable that the oil change effected the idle characteristics. Maybe you did something when you put the new air filter in?> Was the old filter particularly clogged? are you certain you installed the air filter properly and replaced all the components?> If there is an air leak that can effect how it runs.

How old was the fuel in it? you have a 2001 ninja with only 1000 miles?

The bike has more than 1k miles on, I put 1k miles on it after buying it it's at around 12k right now. The Air filter had been changed before I bought it so I did not change that just the oil, it ran fine before the oil change. Also I'm sure the petcock is fine and it's got fresh fuel in it.

jkv45 · October 17th, 2014, 06:37 AM

As already noted, it would be extremely odd for an oil change to have any affect on the idle speed.

Is the issue with the engine fully hot? What speed does it idle at? It should be idling at 1300 when it's fully hot. You could open the float bowls and catch the gas to see what it looks like. There may be a carb cleaning in your future. If the carbs have been off, the caps covering the idle mixture screws may have been removed. If that's the case, you should check their setting. A good baseline is 2 1/2 turns out, which is richer than the factory setting.

How does it ride? Does it accelerate cleanly all the way up, and just have a problem at idle?

For now, if it's not far off, I would adjust the idle mixture screws (if you can) and set the hot idle speed to 1300.

StrangeKnowledge · October 17th, 2014, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jkv45

As already noted, it would be extremely odd for an oil change to have any affect on the idle speed.

Is the issue with the engine fully hot? What speed does it idle at? It should be idling at 1300 when it's fully hot. You could open the float bowls and catch the gas to see what it looks like. There may be a carb cleaning in your future. If the carbs have been off, the caps covering the idle mixture screws may have been removed. If that's the case, you should check their setting. A good baseline is 2 1/2 turns out, which is richer than the factory setting.

How does it ride? Does it accelerate cleanly all the way up, and just have a problem at idle?

For now, if it's not far off, I would adjust the idle mixture screws (if you can) and set the hot idle speed to 1300.

Yeah it will do it even if it's hot, I can do 20 minutes on the freeway and come to a stop in neutral and it will idle down and die. It won't idle at all, just dies if i'm not reving it a bit. Still accelerates clean and with no issues.

alex.s · October 17th, 2014, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by StrangeKnowledge

So i changed the oil according to the guide in the book used the T6 full synthetic and a K&N filter.

t6 in what weight? it comes in lots of different weights

zhuuka · October 17th, 2014, 09:29 AM

I was dolt when I had my bike for the first week. Have you played around with the idle screw at all? Mine was just a wee bit too low and it would cut out on me.

StrangeKnowledge · October 17th, 2014, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by alex.s

t6 in what weight? it comes in lots of different weights

5W-40

Ninjinsky · October 17th, 2014, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by StrangeKnowledge

So I did a Oil change on the bike after having about about 1k miles on it after buying it from a friend it now has about 12k on it. The previous owner said that an oil change and brake job were going to be in order soon. So i changed the oil according to the guide in the book used the T6 full synthetic and a K&N filter. Before the oil change it would idle just fine, now when it's in neutral or clutched it want's to shut off if I do not keep the RPM's up. I guessing it needs a major carb cleaning or rebuild but it's so close to winter storage I don't want to mess with that yet. Any thoughts?

After yesterday Tell me I'm not reading this

.

Anyways my first thought is how much oil did you put in? Too much would bog the engine, close to what they call "hydraulic lock" where there is not enough airspace under the pistons, that would stop it idling easily.
This engine doesn't take a lot of oil. Only 1.5 liters without a filter change or 1.9 liters with a new filter

dcj13 · October 17th, 2014, 02:20 PM

I like Zhuuka's idea about tweaking the idle speed.

Leaving the oil fill cap off could keep it from idling well, too.

October 16th, 2014, 08:34 PM	#1
StrangeKnowledge ninjette.org member Name: Tony Location: Columbus, Ohio Join Date: Aug 2014 Motorcycle(s): 2001 EX250 Posts: 14	Changed the oil now it shuts off when idle. So I did a Oil change on the bike after having about about 1k miles on it after buying it from a friend it now has about 12k on it. The previous owner said that an oil change and brake job were going to be in order soon. So i changed the oil according to the guide in the book used the T6 full synthetic and a K&N filter. Before the oil change it would idle just fine, now when it's in neutral or clutched it want's to shut off if I do not keep the RPM's up. I guessing it needs a major carb cleaning or rebuild but it's so close to winter storage I don't want to mess with that yet. Any thoughts? Last futzed with by StrangeKnowledge; October 17th, 2014 at 05:34 AM.

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MrAtom . Name: . Location: . Join Date: Aug 2014 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: A lot. MOTM - July '15	My first oil change I kept the fuel petcock on off and didn't know why it wouldn't start haha. It's probably nothing that dumb, but worth bringing up, anyway.
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