April 14th, 2010, 01:33 PM | #1 |
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How to get CDI issue resolved?
For the people that have had their CDIs replaced due to a mis-reading on the tach - there is about a 1,000 rpm difference when the CDI heats up - how did you get the dealership to agree that there is a problem and fix it?
One of the local dealers said that there is no service bulletin or recall - so they don't believe me that the tach reads different at the same speed. I get the usual run around - "it is normal" - "variables make a difference"... I am not crazy - my CDI has an issue - when it was cold outside, no difference in tach reading - now the issue is back with the warmer weather. Maybe the GTPP is a waste of money if the dealer relies on others to issue a bulletin, to determine if the problem is under warranty. |
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April 14th, 2010, 01:47 PM | #2 |
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Just as an off-topic, if you're talking about the dealer that I'm thinking of, I would expect that kind of response....
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April 14th, 2010, 02:03 PM | #3 |
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I've talked to both in town - IH35 and 290 (west) - got about the same from both.
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April 14th, 2010, 03:30 PM | #4 |
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How about the dealership up in Georgetown?
On a side note, what day did you notice the CDI going bonkers? I'm trying to see if mine has gone bonkers as well.
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April 14th, 2010, 04:10 PM | #5 |
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I started paying attention after reading about the issue here..
In October and November, I first noticed that my RPMs went from about 7100 at 60 mph to 8500 - 8900 at 60 mph at the end of the ride. Over the winter, I rode a few times and the RPMs seem to stay consistent. Now that the weather has warmed, I noticed the fluctuation again. The gauge also has a slight bounce - but that could be normal. They want me to drop the bike off so they can try to recreate the malfunction by riding it, let it sit around idling to get hot and then take it for another ride. |
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April 14th, 2010, 07:54 PM | #6 |
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The way to resolve this and get a service bulletin or recall to be issued if for everyone that has had issues with the CDI to write to the Kawasaki Headquarters in California. If enough people write in then they will have to investigate the issue.
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April 14th, 2010, 08:15 PM | #7 |
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My tachometer reading is definitely "temperature dependent". I described how in an earlier post. The other thread I guess. Thing is, I see no degrade in performance, either "seat of the pants" or (carefully) measured fuel economy.
A cheap bike has a cheap tach. But it runs great just the same. I'd like it fixed yea, but I'd rather have a not quite right tachometer than have those "special" people at the dealership touching my bike. |
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April 15th, 2010, 04:17 AM | #8 | |
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The problem is, most people will never notice it, even if they have the issue. In any case, NTSB tracks warranty repairs through mandatory reporting. If it hasn't reached their threshold, there's going to be NO incentive for Kawi to even look at the problem. Seen what's happening to Toyota lately? Do you really think that EVERY vehicle manufacturer that sells things in America hasn't gone through their "Dirty little secret" file already and quietly addressed ANYTHING that might cause a problem? Yeah, so I'm thinking that Kawi can show, statistically and substantively, that there is no problem, and that if there is, it doesn't reach the criteria of a "Safety Recall". Please don't take that to mean that I don't think that there's a problem, as I clearly documented in the other threads on this issue everything that I went through to get mine fixed. As of when I traded the bike, it remained fixed.
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April 15th, 2010, 05:31 AM | #9 | |
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April 15th, 2010, 05:42 AM | #10 |
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If the dealers doesn't want to help you, takes matter in your own hands. You can buy a new one, relocate the existing one or just do a pre-gen swap like some did on here.
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April 15th, 2010, 05:48 AM | #11 |
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April 15th, 2010, 06:33 AM | #12 |
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I have read and contributed to the threads on CDI rev counter problem.
If the bike is running well and the only symptom you have is that the rev counter varies with temperature then it is the rev counter that is faulty. A rev counter is only a volt meter with an integrator in front of it; the integrator takes the pulse train from the CDI and converts it into a DC voltage which is directly proportional to the rpm. Any change of value of the components in the integrator with temperature will show up as a drift in the reading. When the CDI is faulty i.e. the insulation of the coil is baking down and high voltage from the secondary is appearing on the primary, the rev counter jumps even going to full scale, at the same time the motor is running rough and loosing power. From what you say I suspect that the rev counter is at fault not the CDI you could try heating the rev counter up with a hot air gun while stationary and see what the result is. Steve
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April 15th, 2010, 08:32 AM | #13 |
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I have the same problem as well. Doesn't really bother me enough to take it to the dealership to fix. Quite frankly, unless it's something catostrophic, I'd rather not deal with those guys.
However, I did find that switching the front sprocket from 14T to 15T lowered the revs enough that it reads like it should if a 14T was installed. |
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April 15th, 2010, 06:27 PM | #14 |
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My 09 reads the same hot or cold. I haven't had any issues at all.
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June 23rd, 2010, 11:09 AM | #16 |
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I've just bought the 250r 2010 model 1 month ago and I've got the same issue. Can I cancel the contract and return the bike to the dealer? Is there any law that is protecting me on this?
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June 23rd, 2010, 11:56 AM | #17 |
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Not sure what the laws are in Ontario, but in the US, nope. The sale is final the minute you walk out of the dealership. From that point on, it's a used bike and will need to be dealt with by the factory as a warranty issue. There are lemon laws in some states in the US that give buyers additional rights if the company tries to fix a problem a certain number of times unsuccessfully, or if the vehicle is off the road for a certain period of time due to the issue. But it varies by state, and often differs from cars to other vehicles.
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January 29th, 2013, 02:32 PM | #18 |
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I think I am having the CDI issue, just bought my 2012 in october and my rpm readings are out of wack. I have the factory warranty and the 3 yr extended, will they fix this issue for me? is it a known issue to kawasaki dealers?
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January 29th, 2013, 03:30 PM | #20 |
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I have not heard of the CDI issue after 2009. What is yours doing?
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January 29th, 2013, 05:14 PM | #21 | |
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My bike is a 2009 that had the same problem. The reason I noticed it was because when I changed my gearing (15/42) it made rpm and speed readings almost match, (for example; 5000 rpm@ approx 50 mph, 6000 rpm@ approx 60mph) which was normal in cool conditions. When the IC Ignitor malfunctioned the readings were off. So now my IC Ignitor along with the tach have been replaced. With the new one there was an immediate response in pick up and power throughout the range of gears that was not there before. My bike is a 2009 that had the same problem. The reason I noticed it was because when I changed my gearing (15/42) it made rpm and speed readings almost match, (for example; 1200- approx 1350 rpm @ idle, 5000 rpm@ approx 50 mph, 6000 rpm@ approx 60mph) which was normal in cool conditions. When the IC Ignitor malfunctioned the readings were off. I recommend letting Kawasaki fix it under warranty. There is a possibility that your dealer's service dept will be totally clueless about this issue. However someone at Kawasaki has heard of these same complaints and warranty repairs for this exact issue. Don't let them B.S. you about, they couldn't find anything. They don't get paid for warranty work so their troubleshooting the issue probably won't turn up anything if they are a crappy dealer. Let them know the rpms are reading too high and you need either the tach or IC Ignitor replaced. Keep an eye out on your speed and rpm's, that will be your gauge. You can also show them a chart (see attachment) of what the gear, rpm and mph should be. |
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February 12th, 2013, 02:57 AM | #23 | |
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I took bike in to Kawasaki, they said that the bike is supposed to be at 9000 rpm's at 60 mph. bull ****. Not sure what to do now, don't have 300 buck to drop on new igniter. I'm pretty pisses with Kawasaki now, should have bought a Honda |
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February 12th, 2013, 05:06 AM | #24 |
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I didn't read through all the posts, but in case nobody mentioned it, the tach runs off the #1 coil. If its reading wrong, then the tach is bad and not the CDI. If the CDI was bad, the engine would be running goofy or not at all.
See here for wiring diagram. Replacing the CDI will not change the way the tach reads.
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February 12th, 2013, 07:19 AM | #25 |
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That has been the experience of some members who have had their CDI replaced. The tach reads high. First attempt at fix is usually replacing the tach. If it still reads high, then the CDI gets swapped out. For some, that fixes the tach, as well as some of the other potential symptoms (rough running, poor fuel economy).
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If the bike is running fine, I wouldn't sweat it. I'd still take it over the Honda.
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You may want to try calling or emailing the warranty dept directly and let them know in detail what your problem is and that the dealer told you it was not a problem. Somebody at Kawasaki knows that 9k rpm in 6th is @ 60mph is incorrect. Other than that, I don't know what else to tell you. |
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I agree with the others. If its under warranty, stand your ground and make them fix it. Take the newgen speed chart to them, but don't take no for an answer.
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