Bluetooth push to talk - bike to bike ????

zartan · April 26th, 2009, 01:44 AM

Need some help....

When there is a need to talk to TR- I want a blue tooth type of intercom. I do not need to ans. the phone or listen to tunes. I just want a push to talk intercom that is sleek and not to huge on my helmet.

Push to talk is important because I mumble to myself when riding. I work out a lot of things outloud and sing and laugh and it is not something someone needs to hear on the other end.

I was looking at Blue ant because they look nice. But can not be sure it is push to talk. I will call support.... but in the mean time any suggestions????

No big hunking boxes mounted on my bike .... thanks for any suggestions.

Alex · April 26th, 2009, 01:54 AM

If you want bike-to-bike communication, bluetooth isn't going to cut it. That's only useful for rider-to-passenger communication. (Unless you always ride just a few feet from eachother

).

zartan · April 26th, 2009, 02:00 AM

Said 490 feet . We ride pretty close. (used to that dirt bike stay out of dust thing...)

any experience with it cutting out??

http://www.myblueant.com/interphone_helmet_kit.htm

zartan · April 26th, 2009, 02:12 AM

Just found this review on Amazon... maybe this answers my question...

You don't have to have it on all the time. It has about 700+ hours of standby, and 5 hours of talk-time. If you want to talk and it is on standby just press the button for 3 seconds and it hails the other party, they don't even have to press anything, you are connected.

Alex · April 26th, 2009, 02:16 AM

The reviews posted here seem middle of the road. Some positive, some not so much.

I don't believe that the units are using bluetooth for the intercom feature between 2 units; the bluetooth connection is just from a cell phone to the units themselves. The bluetooth spec isn't intended for use at > 33 feet. But saying "bluetooth" is sexier than "radio" for marketing purposes.

Angel-be-Good · April 26th, 2009, 02:41 AM

I've got a Blue Ant but I haven't used it for helmet-to-helmet com, just to link to my phone. I don't make a habit of talking on the phone while riding, but it's definitely nice when I'm out on day rides and the fiancee calls to make sure I'm still in once piece--much easier to answer and mumble, "Yahr, Emm stull uhlyve, wull beh horm im twunuh minish." Not because the microphone is bad but because I can't talk for crap with my face squished in my helmet (I think the Respro Foggy Mask may not help).

Alex · April 26th, 2009, 02:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R.Sallee

...but it's definitely nice when I'm out on day rides and the fiancee calls to make sure I'm still in one piece...

[threadjack]

Ryan - Check out this thread and seriously consider picking one up. She can pull up your bike on the google map and see where you are at 10 minute intervals. Completely removes the need for you to call in or her to call you just to see what's going on, as well as provides coverage where cell phone coverage is spotty (like anywhere in Marin or further north on the coast, for example). It's Annie's favorite bike gadget, and has made it much easier for me to make ad hoc decisions on routing knowing that she doesn't have to worry about me.

[/threadjack]

Snake · April 26th, 2009, 06:47 AM

Zartan, I have been looking at the Nolan N-Com system but this looks alot better and you can use any helmet where with the Nolan you have to use theirs.

Thanks for the info. I will have to do more research and see which one I will get.

If you and your ride partner get a set please let us know how they work. 490 feet is not a bad range. Thats a little longer than a football field.

Snake · April 26th, 2009, 06:53 AM

Here is the link to the Nolan system.

http://ncom.nolan.it/it/n-com/index.html

zartan · April 26th, 2009, 10:14 AM

We ride with Arai. My friend has a Nolan with the bells and whistle. He likes it alot.

We are leaning toward the blue ant but still open to advice and suggestions...

Thanks for the Links and imput!

ojameyo · April 26th, 2009, 07:50 PM

My husband and I got the Cardo bike to bike intercom. It also has blue tooth for phone or GPS, AM/FM radio and attachment to hook up MP3 Player. We went on an hour ride and talked the whole way, Being our bikes are loud, we had no problem hearing at all.
Hope this helps out.

zartan · April 26th, 2009, 07:56 PM

thanks I will check them out.

Since I am not a Techie.. I get overwhelmed quickly

ojameyo · April 26th, 2009, 08:04 PM

We got the set at Cycle Gear. They ran us around $380, but well worth it.

dyeclan · April 27th, 2009, 06:25 AM

I have the Cardo Q2 also. It works really well. You can find kits on ebay at discounted prices, FWIW. It's small and subtle on the helmet, you won't even know it's there.

camaroz1985 · April 27th, 2009, 06:31 AM

The Scala Rider Q2 has a pretty long range (1000+ ft). You can get a pair of them on ebay for around $250. They can be PTT, but also can be triggered by talking.

Alex · April 27th, 2009, 01:39 PM

Saw this link posted elsewhere today. It's a directory of all of the motorcycle intercoms that webbikeworld has reviewed in the last year or two.

Snake · April 27th, 2009, 01:41 PM

Cool some more info!! Thank you!

SpyderGirl · April 28th, 2009, 02:00 PM

The hubby and I use the Blue Ant for bike-to-bike and rider-to-passenger both. The range on it is pretty amazing. The battery is really good too. We get about 5 hours of talk time out of one charge. We are very happy with our Blue Ant system. And it was inexpensive and it's easy to set-up.

zartan · April 28th, 2009, 04:47 PM

SpyderG.
Is it on active all the time? can you put it on stand by ?? and then summons the other rider?

Blue ant said no but I have read reviews otherwise.

I am checking into the other ones too!!

SpyderGirl · April 28th, 2009, 04:55 PM

Before we leave on a ride we connect them and they stay in constant connection unless we get too far apart. When that happens and then we move into range again u just hit the connect button once and it'll reconnect almost instantly. The other day we left from our job sites seperately. I was in SF and I was meeting him in Oakland. I turned mine on befoe I left and so did he. When I got close to where he was meeting me I just pressed the button and we were connected. Now the units of course must be previously paired with each other. Only have to do that once. Like Bluetooth for the cell phone. When not paired with another set u can be connected to your phone instead. You can pair to both but only use one or the other at a time. Just press the connect button to switch back and forth.
Posted via Mobile Device

zartan · April 29th, 2009, 09:52 PM

Still researching this. What I want is to be able to be on standby.. and summons the other rider when one of us has something to say. I want to avoid have a ON intercom all the time. riding is personal and just want to sometimes say" hey Lets go right at such and such road".

The cardio seems like a good system. thanks Spydergirl.. still trying to figure out if it does what I want. Will NOT be using this with my phone.

I called Blue ant 3 times getting 3 different guys. None thought the blue ant would standby. But I read a review about just that. They said the GUY who knows about them is out of the country right now. also said still winter so not up on the bike coms... Uh!!! it is spring here and they are just above me in BC...
Polite but not knowledgeable.

g21-30 · July 1st, 2009, 03:51 PM

USPS dropped this off today. Just finished charging it up. Will be used with my cell phone.

http://www.amazon.com/BlueAnt-InterP.../dp/B000PJSZSA

zartan · July 1st, 2009, 05:06 PM

Hi, Will you let me know if you can be on stand by most of the time and push to talk. I don't want to be Connected all the time and listen to the other rider's self chatter or other rider listening to mine. Let me know what you think please and thanks,!!

g21-30 · July 1st, 2009, 05:20 PM

zartan,

Check this link: http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcyc...h-intercom.htm

Here is an excerpt from the above (bottom of the page):

Here's a note on the Interphone battery life issue from Rob Ferrier, General Manager of GiMoto Canada: In response to your questions on reduced talk time, this is an issue I brought up with Cellular Line earlier in the week based on questions by our customers. The Cellular Line Interphone will allow up to a maximum of seven hours of "active" time, this means the unit will either be connected actively with a GPS, phone or in the intercom mode. All of the available devices, regardless of manufactures name (Cellular Line / Blue Ant) are the same unit and have the same restrictions.

The issue comes down to the use of the product and the specific conditions it is being operated in. This is similar to how far you can travel on a tank of gas in your car. If you are traveling the speed limit, you will be driving for a longer time period than if you are running a car at maximum speed. The Interphone is similar when you are connected to another rider and the distance apart, atmospheric conditions and sight line obstructions all play a factor. If the other rider is farther away or out of sight, the unit has too work harder to keep the units functioning and this take more power.

To maximize talk time, we recommend the following:

*

When not actively speaking or listening to the other rider, put the units into standby mode. This would include the connection to the GPS when not required so the overall operating time is extended (for example: the 400 mile stretch between turns). To put the unit in standby, you only need to press the button on the side of the Interphone, to reconnect, either rider only need to press the main button for 2-3 seconds and you are back in talk mode.

*

Keep a safe distance with the other rider, however, keep in mind that the farther you are apart, the more energy is required to operate the unit. If you spend the day running 400 meters apart, the device will not operate as long. This is also the case when operating in rain, fog, snow or other factors that interfere with the line of site between the units. The key issue is rider safety, but keep in mind the restrictions when using the device in certain conditions.

*

Other possible options include carrying the charging unit with you on long trips or consider the mobile charger that will operate off the 12 or 24 volt system on most bikes. The Interphone usually takes less than one hour to fully recharge and this can be done during a meal break.

SpyderGirl · July 1st, 2009, 06:02 PM

Love the BlueAnt Interphone. I own two pairs, one to charge and have spare on long trips. The battery life on these is fantastic!!! Cheap, reliable, easy to use... You don't get much better.
Posted via Mobile Device

zartan · July 1st, 2009, 07:06 PM

Thanks g-21!! I just want to be able to ramble on and only talk to the other riders when I need something

thank you for taking the time to help

April 26th, 2009, 01:44 AM	#1
zartan ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: zartan Location: spam la Join Date: Oct 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 250 R Posts: A lot.	Bluetooth push to talk - bike to bike ???? Need some help.... When there is a need to talk to TR- I want a blue tooth type of intercom. I do not need to ans. the phone or listen to tunes. I just want a push to talk intercom that is sleek and not to huge on my helmet. Push to talk is important because I mumble to myself when riding. I work out a lot of things outloud and sing and laugh and it is not something someone needs to hear on the other end. I was looking at Blue ant because they look nice. But can not be sure it is push to talk. I will call support.... but in the mean time any suggestions???? No big hunking boxes mounted on my bike .... thanks for any suggestions. __________________________________________________ "Don't let adverse facts stand in the way of a good decision" Colin Powell

April 26th, 2009, 01:54 AM	#2
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	If you want bike-to-bike communication, bluetooth isn't going to cut it. That's only useful for rider-to-passenger communication. (Unless you always ride just a few feet from eachother ). __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

April 26th, 2009, 02:00 AM	#3
zartan ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: zartan Location: spam la Join Date: Oct 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 250 R Posts: A lot.	Said 490 feet . We ride pretty close. (used to that dirt bike stay out of dust thing...) any experience with it cutting out?? http://www.myblueant.com/interphone_helmet_kit.htm __________________________________________________ "Don't let adverse facts stand in the way of a good decision" Colin Powell

April 26th, 2009, 02:12 AM	#4
zartan ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: zartan Location: spam la Join Date: Oct 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 250 R Posts: A lot.	Just found this review on Amazon... maybe this answers my question... You don't have to have it on all the time. It has about 700+ hours of standby, and 5 hours of talk-time. If you want to talk and it is on standby just press the button for 3 seconds and it hails the other party, they don't even have to press anything, you are connected. __________________________________________________ "Don't let adverse facts stand in the way of a good decision" Colin Powell

April 26th, 2009, 02:16 AM	#5
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	The reviews posted here seem middle of the road. Some positive, some not so much. I don't believe that the units are using bluetooth for the intercom feature between 2 units; the bluetooth connection is just from a cell phone to the units themselves. The bluetooth spec isn't intended for use at > 33 feet. But saying "bluetooth" is sexier than "radio" for marketing purposes. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

April 26th, 2009, 02:41 AM	#6
Angel-be-Good ninjette.org guru Name: Ryan Location: San Francisco Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250, '11 Street Triple R Posts: 337	I've got a Blue Ant but I haven't used it for helmet-to-helmet com, just to link to my phone. I don't make a habit of talking on the phone while riding, but it's definitely nice when I'm out on day rides and the fiancee calls to make sure I'm still in once piece--much easier to answer and mumble, "Yahr, Emm stull uhlyve, wull beh horm im twunuh minish." Not because the microphone is bad but because I can't talk for crap with my face squished in my helmet (I think the Respro Foggy Mask may not help). __________________________________________________ The Sunday Best \| Current mileage: 50,000

April 26th, 2009, 06:47 AM	#8
Snake ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Rick Location: Alexandria, Louisiana Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): 05 Blue Ninja 250 Posts: Too much. MOTY - 2017, MOTM - Jan '19, Oct '16, May '14	Zartan, I have been looking at the Nolan N-Com system but this looks alot better and you can use any helmet where with the Nolan you have to use theirs. Thanks for the info. I will have to do more research and see which one I will get. If you and your ride partner get a set please let us know how they work. 490 feet is not a bad range. Thats a little longer than a football field.

April 26th, 2009, 06:53 AM	#9
Snake ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Rick Location: Alexandria, Louisiana Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): 05 Blue Ninja 250 Posts: Too much. MOTY - 2017, MOTM - Jan '19, Oct '16, May '14	Here is the link to the Nolan system. http://ncom.nolan.it/it/n-com/index.html

April 26th, 2009, 10:14 AM	#10
zartan ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: zartan Location: spam la Join Date: Oct 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 250 R Posts: A lot.	We ride with Arai. My friend has a Nolan with the bells and whistle. He likes it alot. We are leaning toward the blue ant but still open to advice and suggestions... Thanks for the Links and imput! __________________________________________________ "Don't let adverse facts stand in the way of a good decision" Colin Powell

April 26th, 2009, 07:50 PM	#11
ojameyo MMMJami Name: Jamey Location: Fairfield Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250 Posts: 182	My husband and I got the Cardo bike to bike intercom. It also has blue tooth for phone or GPS, AM/FM radio and attachment to hook up MP3 Player. We went on an hour ride and talked the whole way, Being our bikes are loud, we had no problem hearing at all. Hope this helps out.

April 26th, 2009, 07:56 PM	#12
zartan ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: zartan Location: spam la Join Date: Oct 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 250 R Posts: A lot.	thanks I will check them out. Since I am not a Techie.. I get overwhelmed quickly __________________________________________________ "Don't let adverse facts stand in the way of a good decision" Colin Powell

April 26th, 2009, 08:04 PM	#13
ojameyo MMMJami Name: Jamey Location: Fairfield Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250 Posts: 182	We got the set at Cycle Gear. They ran us around $380, but well worth it.

April 27th, 2009, 06:25 AM	#14
dyeclan Scooter Trash No0b Name: Frank Location: Cleveland Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): 08 EX250R 'Gears of War' Theme Bike, ZG DB screen, cowl, progrips. Posts: 73	I have the Cardo Q2 also. It works really well. You can find kits on ebay at discounted prices, FWIW. It's small and subtle on the helmet, you won't even know it's there.

April 27th, 2009, 06:31 AM	#15
camaroz1985 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Ryan Location: Carlisle, PA Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2008 WR250R, 2006 Ural Raven (Sold), 2009 Versys Green (Sold), 2008 Ninja 250R Green (Sold) Posts: A lot.	The Scala Rider Q2 has a pretty long range (1000+ ft). You can get a pair of them on ebay for around $250. They can be PTT, but also can be triggered by talking.

April 27th, 2009, 01:39 PM	#16
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Saw this link posted elsewhere today. It's a directory of all of the motorcycle intercoms that webbikeworld has reviewed in the last year or two. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

April 27th, 2009, 01:41 PM	#17
Snake ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Rick Location: Alexandria, Louisiana Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): 05 Blue Ninja 250 Posts: Too much. MOTY - 2017, MOTM - Jan '19, Oct '16, May '14	Cool some more info!! Thank you!

April 28th, 2009, 02:00 PM	#18
SpyderGirl 3 for street, 2 for dirt Name: Katlyn Location: San Francisco Bay Area (California) Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Can Am Spyder PE #1344 / 2009 Kawi KLX140L Monster Energy / 2009 Kawi Ninja 250R (RIP 8.23.09) Posts: 586	The hubby and I use the Blue Ant for bike-to-bike and rider-to-passenger both. The range on it is pretty amazing. The battery is really good too. We get about 5 hours of talk time out of one charge. We are very happy with our Blue Ant system. And it was inexpensive and it's easy to set-up. __________________________________________________ Feel free to look me up on facebook.

April 28th, 2009, 04:47 PM	#19
zartan ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: zartan Location: spam la Join Date: Oct 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 250 R Posts: A lot.	SpyderG. Is it on active all the time? can you put it on stand by ?? and then summons the other rider? Blue ant said no but I have read reviews otherwise. I am checking into the other ones too!! __________________________________________________ "Don't let adverse facts stand in the way of a good decision" Colin Powell

April 28th, 2009, 04:55 PM	#20
SpyderGirl 3 for street, 2 for dirt Name: Katlyn Location: San Francisco Bay Area (California) Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Can Am Spyder PE #1344 / 2009 Kawi KLX140L Monster Energy / 2009 Kawi Ninja 250R (RIP 8.23.09) Posts: 586	Before we leave on a ride we connect them and they stay in constant connection unless we get too far apart. When that happens and then we move into range again u just hit the connect button once and it'll reconnect almost instantly. The other day we left from our job sites seperately. I was in SF and I was meeting him in Oakland. I turned mine on befoe I left and so did he. When I got close to where he was meeting me I just pressed the button and we were connected. Now the units of course must be previously paired with each other. Only have to do that once. Like Bluetooth for the cell phone. When not paired with another set u can be connected to your phone instead. You can pair to both but only use one or the other at a time. Just press the connect button to switch back and forth. Posted via Mobile Device

April 29th, 2009, 09:52 PM	#21
zartan ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: zartan Location: spam la Join Date: Oct 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 250 R Posts: A lot.	Still researching this. What I want is to be able to be on standby.. and summons the other rider when one of us has something to say. I want to avoid have a ON intercom all the time. riding is personal and just want to sometimes say" hey Lets go right at such and such road". The cardio seems like a good system. thanks Spydergirl.. still trying to figure out if it does what I want. Will NOT be using this with my phone. I called Blue ant 3 times getting 3 different guys. None thought the blue ant would standby. But I read a review about just that. They said the GUY who knows about them is out of the country right now. also said still winter so not up on the bike coms... Uh!!! it is spring here and they are just above me in BC... Polite but not knowledgeable. __________________________________________________ "Don't let adverse facts stand in the way of a good decision" Colin Powell

July 1st, 2009, 03:51 PM	#22
g21-30 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Sam Location: Northern Virginia Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R 2009 Posts: A lot.	USPS dropped this off today. Just finished charging it up. Will be used with my cell phone. http://www.amazon.com/BlueAnt-InterP.../dp/B000PJSZSA

July 1st, 2009, 05:06 PM	#23
zartan ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: zartan Location: spam la Join Date: Oct 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 250 R Posts: A lot.	Hi, Will you let me know if you can be on stand by most of the time and push to talk. I don't want to be Connected all the time and listen to the other rider's self chatter or other rider listening to mine. Let me know what you think please and thanks,!! __________________________________________________ "Don't let adverse facts stand in the way of a good decision" Colin Powell

July 1st, 2009, 05:20 PM	#24
g21-30 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Sam Location: Northern Virginia Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R 2009 Posts: A lot.	zartan, Check this link: http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcyc...h-intercom.htm Here is an excerpt from the above (bottom of the page): Here's a note on the Interphone battery life issue from Rob Ferrier, General Manager of GiMoto Canada: In response to your questions on reduced talk time, this is an issue I brought up with Cellular Line earlier in the week based on questions by our customers. The Cellular Line Interphone will allow up to a maximum of seven hours of "active" time, this means the unit will either be connected actively with a GPS, phone or in the intercom mode. All of the available devices, regardless of manufactures name (Cellular Line / Blue Ant) are the same unit and have the same restrictions. The issue comes down to the use of the product and the specific conditions it is being operated in. This is similar to how far you can travel on a tank of gas in your car. If you are traveling the speed limit, you will be driving for a longer time period than if you are running a car at maximum speed. The Interphone is similar when you are connected to another rider and the distance apart, atmospheric conditions and sight line obstructions all play a factor. If the other rider is farther away or out of sight, the unit has too work harder to keep the units functioning and this take more power. To maximize talk time, we recommend the following: * When not actively speaking or listening to the other rider, put the units into standby mode. This would include the connection to the GPS when not required so the overall operating time is extended (for example: the 400 mile stretch between turns). To put the unit in standby, you only need to press the button on the side of the Interphone, to reconnect, either rider only need to press the main button for 2-3 seconds and you are back in talk mode. * Keep a safe distance with the other rider, however, keep in mind that the farther you are apart, the more energy is required to operate the unit. If you spend the day running 400 meters apart, the device will not operate as long. This is also the case when operating in rain, fog, snow or other factors that interfere with the line of site between the units. The key issue is rider safety, but keep in mind the restrictions when using the device in certain conditions. * Other possible options include carrying the charging unit with you on long trips or consider the mobile charger that will operate off the 12 or 24 volt system on most bikes. The Interphone usually takes less than one hour to fully recharge and this can be done during a meal break.

July 1st, 2009, 06:02 PM	#25
SpyderGirl 3 for street, 2 for dirt Name: Katlyn Location: San Francisco Bay Area (California) Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Can Am Spyder PE #1344 / 2009 Kawi KLX140L Monster Energy / 2009 Kawi Ninja 250R (RIP 8.23.09) Posts: 586	Love the BlueAnt Interphone. I own two pairs, one to charge and have spare on long trips. The battery life on these is fantastic!!! Cheap, reliable, easy to use... You don't get much better. Posted via Mobile Device

July 1st, 2009, 07:06 PM	#26
zartan ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: zartan Location: spam la Join Date: Oct 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 250 R Posts: A lot.	Thanks g-21!! I just want to be able to ramble on and only talk to the other riders when I need something thank you for taking the time to help __________________________________________________ "Don't let adverse facts stand in the way of a good decision" Colin Powell

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