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Old March 7th, 2022, 11:49 AM   #41
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for me Remaining relaxed is only for when bike and you seperate ( because you have no control at that point) relax and try to not get yourself killed at that point.
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Old November 24th, 2022, 05:09 PM   #42
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I would add too that squeezing the tank with your knees and remaining relaxed even under hard braking will help keep you and your bike under control. Using your legs to grip the tank helps keep you more relaxed because you stay connected and stable with your lower body. How might remaining relaxed help in an emergency braking situation?
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for me Remaining relaxed is only for when bike and you seperate ( because you have no control at that point) relax and try to not get yourself killed at that point.
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So you don't think it's important to be relaxed WHILE riding the bike and under emergency braking, only if you and the bike get separated?

But what happens if you are holding on to the handlebars tightly while riding or emergency braking? Does that have any negative effect, or do you think it is necessary for maintaining control of the motorcycle?
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Old November 24th, 2022, 06:47 PM   #43
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Well there are 2 sides to this argument being relaxed while in an emergency situation means you will have a slower response time than if your all keyed up and tense like getting your hands up intime to protect your face when slamming to the ground. it's all relative really.... and in the land of IF if this were to happen I would do this.... but that is not how life plays out 90% of the time.... you don't think about it till after the fact and it's too late...
when your operating a machine and pushing it hard you are not relaxed like sitting in the chair watching TV that is silly you cannot be ! but staying loose
and not tensing up IS extremally important so maybe My idea of being relaxed is different than every one else's... but I never totally relax on a motorcycle or when I drive a car.... you can't RELAX and still be aware ....
the many techniques of riding come into play that have nothing to do with being relaxed or not "you need to be relaxed when crashing" like Yah ! there is no way in hell you can be ! but you can loosen up and not stiffen up.... we all have a tendency to stiffen up like a board and this is what get's bones broken
... being looser is better but you will never totally relax ! it's a crash for gods sake you are not going to relax through hitting the ground at 60 mph and heading into a bank and trees any one of which can easily kill you
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to that I say Truly relaxing on a motorcycle just ain't happening folks !
yah it is alot better if you crash the bike and stay as relaxed or Loose as possible as you are more than likely just able to get up dust your self off and go pick up the bike....
Holding on to the bike with your legs really helps.....some times.... not always ! on a dirt bike tearing up a rough rocky dirt road you better not hug the bike as it will deflect from a rock and throw off your balance, if you let the bike float below you you can take that hill with ease hug the bike with your legs and you probably won't make it and be fighting it the whole way....
the same is true for street riding but there is very seldom anything to deflect your balance so hugging the bike with your legs is an acceptable practice
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I use both styles of riding, keeping the bike solidly under me and trying to become part of the bike...managing the entire package in balance
and I also use the "let the bike do it's thing beneath me" idea keeping my balance in check and just hanging on to the bike....
this latter technique is what the CHP of California motorcycle cops use
and it works .... I swap on the fly at will, sometimes I will corner as a entire package locked to the seat and other times I will let the bike lean underneath me..... both work ...
the latter technique is the one also used by Racers except they move their mass into the inside of the corner keeping the bike a bit more vertical
for tractions sake. it can be argued that it's all the same but it does not feel like it on the bike ! on a cruiser most just lock in to the bikes mass and become part of it.... hence the low Harleys scraping and throwing sparks
and going wide in corners... that is the time to change styles and still make that corner.... it's not the bike it's the rider !
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Old November 24th, 2022, 07:29 PM   #44
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In addition to my previous post here .... you NEED to keep your arms fairly loose or relaxed but totally in control if you hit a patch of sand in a corner and the wheel suddenly turns to the left you need to keep it from turning or it will continue to slide when you come out of the sand... so in reality your arms are not relaxed but keyed and ready to respond
that is not relaxed but poised for action... the mussels are however not tight. they can be in a split second...but the mussels are not real tight just moderately.
you definately do not want a DEATH grip on the handlebars but a firm grip nonetheless
....I have been known to have a relaxed grip when crusing down the freeway and have my hands so relaxed that I hit a bump and lost my grip on the handle bars.... that is too extream ! you don't want that kind of relaxed ! that is too much !
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You can force the motorcycle to do your bidding and dirt bike riding is all about this
because the things done on a dirt bike are never done on the street so if you loose traction in both wheels on the dirt try to stay with it and force it to your will it can be done ! and the same can be said for the street as well I personally have saved it from crashing into a car that pulled out in front of me on several occasions ...I didn't abandon my bike I rode it out ... the question is was that wise ? .....Probably but we'll never know the repercussions of what would have happened if I had just bailed.
.... I was riding my W1 Kawasaki 650 on big bend road flying low going about 50mph on a road that cars went 25~30mph on I came around a sharp bend and saw a big 4x4 truck on the right shoulder I didn't think much of it and just swerved onto the left lane to pass when I saw his turn signal flash I thought OH SH#T and as if in slow motion I saw his left front tire turn real sharp and he romped on it.... needless to say the bike and I separated. I flew over his hood and slid off the bank and was stunned for a few seconds... now in front of the truck I struggled to raise myself up on my left hand and looked back to see if that idiot was going to still run over me... but he stopped.
and I then knew what a fly feels like when you swat them with a fly swatter. nothing worked... vision was blurred I couldn't breathe or move... the guy came running over and said man are you alright and I couldn't answer..... it took a few seconds and he could hear me gasping for air.... I finally got out I think I am ok.... about 2 minutes passed while I gathered myself together and could move again but I was definately wobbly on my legs... I walked over to see my bike with the front forks bent back flat against the engine.... and he said sorry man I didn't see you.... we put my bike in the back of his truck and he took me home.... we unloaded the bike and he split real fast so fast I didn't get the 1947 motors manual that I had unstrapped off the back of the bike !
that was a very rare book and I had taken it down to a friend so he could use it on his old equipment with the job done I was retrieving it... never saw that book again.

that is how accidents happen.... you cannot prevent them or plan for them they just happen.... there was no time to think I rounded the corner and bamm I'm in the air.
if you are lucky enough to see it coming yah relax as much as you can but you are not going to be able to relax because **** is upon you ! when I hit the ground I hit flat on my back I think I did a full summer-salt in the air my hands leaving the handle bars at the very last... then I slid about 20' off the dirt turnaround and off the side and came to rest with my hands at my side.
..... Sh#t happens and it's not nice when it does, you just go through it the best you can!!
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