WHY stock pipes?! - Page 3

Aufitt · July 28th, 2015, 09:42 AM

There is no worse sound in the world than a ninja 250 with a loud system.

No reason to change it unless you race and need to lose weight.

Alex · July 28th, 2015, 10:11 AM

Ralgha · July 28th, 2015, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finesse

in case anyone took that too seriously please do not send me any pics of actual dicks. yours or otherwise. thx. my virgin eyes.

Is this preemptive cock blocking, or did someone actually send you dixpix?

allanoue · July 28th, 2015, 01:10 PM

virgin

Finesse · July 28th, 2015, 01:22 PM

Country Joe · July 28th, 2015, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adouglas

Because loud pipes don't save lives. They make people want to shoot you.

Sig line material right there!

Joe

dcj13 · July 28th, 2015, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aufitt

There is no worse sound in the world than a ninja 250 with a loud system.

No reason to change it unless you race and need to lose weight.

I’m with the Auf-man on this.

Guys who replace a perfectly good street bike exhaust system with slip-ons, strap-ons, or whatever: compensating for something…

Gals who replace a perfectly good street bike exhaust system: trying to please a significant other?

The judges of the compensators: Finesse and Unregistered?

Finesse · July 28th, 2015, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanoue

virgin

I used to be

Rifleman · July 28th, 2015, 06:11 PM

I'd say Finesse has all the experience.

my qualifications are significantly lacking.

are we opening this little wager up to both of the sexes?

and what is it women are compensating for when they ride with loud pipes? Or is this ALL just about penis envy?

wardie · July 28th, 2015, 07:21 PM

Jumping in late on this thread but here's my opinion.

A muffler does nothing for performance, in fact without other alterations you could lose HP. Kawasaki engineers do know what they're doing so unless you're willing to begin and end with dyno runs every time you change something that "feel in the pants" might be something other than a performance gain. As an Iron Butt rider ever wonder why no one really has loud pipes on their bikes. Ever do 400 or 500 miles following a guy with non stock exhaust or ride a bike any decent distance 400 + miles and you'll soon be tired of that braspppppppppp very soon. JMO

choneofakind · July 29th, 2015, 05:44 PM

It's not bad doing distance with a pipe. I was always under the assumption that IBR riders usually were quiet because they're known to be a little extra legal and didn't want to raise hell with the local law enforcement.

While I disagree with you, thank you for upholding the respect for the engineer

alex.s · July 29th, 2015, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wardie

Kawasaki engineers do know what they're doing[/U] so unless you're willing to begin and end with dyno runs every time you change something that "feel in the pants" might be something other than a performance gain. As an Iron Butt rider ever wonder why no one really has loud pipes on their bikes. Ever do 400 or 500 miles following a guy with non stock exhaust or ride a bike any decent distance 400 + miles and you'll soon be tired of that braspppppppppp very soon. JMO

about the "kawi engineers know what they're doing"..... motorcycles have to pass certain specs on noise, emission control, etc. in order to be sold in the USA. manu's also try to make MPG ratings look better depending on model types. engineers are building to fit those specs. those specs for 99% of motorcycles are not "get all the power at all the costs". they are "pass requirements and look good at a lower cost so we can sell it and make money on it". in most of the states that don't hate motorcyclists, there is no yearly inspection. which means the go-to power mod for most is generally the exhaust. a new pipe and some mild jetting nonsense, even with only suggested jets and not properly tuned jets will probably get you at least a mild power boost.

i donno if 500 miles is considered long distance.... i dont think it is. but anyway i've done plenty of stints longer than that with my ridiculous exhaust, next to other ridiculous exhausts. if you wear proper ear protection its no big thang. the wind makes more noise than an exhaust does anyway.

Finesse · July 29th, 2015, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rifleman

and what is it women are compensating for when they ride with loud pipes? Or is this ALL just about penis envy?

I love the sound. I love it. love it. love love love love cant get enough arggggggg arrrrr my soul motorcycles

dcj13 · July 29th, 2015, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by choneofakind

While I disagree with you, thank you for upholding the respect for the engineer

F*ckin' A, bro!

"Out of the way, knave! An engineer is coming through..."

Sirref · July 29th, 2015, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ralgha

Is this preemptive cock blocking, or did someone actually send you dixpix?

ummmmm.......

Finesse · July 29th, 2015, 07:31 PM

@Sirref did.

Rifleman · July 29th, 2015, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finesse

I love the sound. I love it. love it. love love love love cant get enough arggggggg arrrrr my soul motorcycles

yep, Saturday morning @ 8:37, no alarm, before the lawn mowers get at it...

roll over and your significant other whispers in your ear...

thumpa... thumpa... thumpa... baaahhhHHH.. dun dun dun... thumpa... thumpa ... thumpa.

Finesse · July 29th, 2015, 08:13 PM

I wish I had a running soundtrack of 650r flat trackers racing in my head all day long

Sirref · July 29th, 2015, 08:15 PM

^ at that point it's tinnitus

which, speaking from experience, sucks

wardie · July 29th, 2015, 08:19 PM

Hey to each his own. If You don't mind riding 400 hundred miles with loud pipes go for it but that's not for me.

Consider it's a 250..I have a K&N air filter, needles shimmed and carbs synch'd and adjusted and valves set. The bike performs as well as a 250 can .

I've been through the pipes and cans and just about everything else in my 64 years and in my experience ( I said my experience) unless you have access to a dyno and check baseline then check each time you change something your not going to have accurate information on whether or not the money you invested is yielding any power gains whether significant or not.

I have a friend Dr. Yeager who has done some mods like K&N filter, jets, and a pipe with a quiet core and he has some data to show he's picked up 2 horsepower. That's significant but for the investment I wouldn't do it.

Good conversation plenty of opinions...pick one and go with it.

Vagabondesss · July 29th, 2015, 08:28 PM

Because I like it when people make fun of my Ninja for sounding like a sewing machine and then I tell them I rode this sewing machine from Canada to Florida and they stop making fun of it.

Main reason is because I don't want to spend money when I don't have to. I plan on getting a MUCH louder horn though. The Ninjette's honk is pathetic and cute... not angry at all!

Sirref · July 29th, 2015, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vagabondesss

Main reason is because I don't want to spend money when I don't have to. I plan on getting a MUCH louder horn though. The Ninjette's honk is pathetic and cute... not angry at all!

I can't remember ever using mine, does it sound anything like this?

Link to original page on YouTube.

Vagabondesss · July 29th, 2015, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirref

I can't remember ever using mine, does it sound anything like this?

Link to original page on YouTube.

HAHAHAA!!! Nope, it's quieter and just..... laughable. Who would take it seriously? They will be like "awww so cute". No. I want an air horn than is so terrifying that all drivers will regret the day they drove carelessly around me! :P

Vagabondesss · July 29th, 2015, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dcj13

I’m with the Auf-man on this.

Guys who replace a perfectly good street bike exhaust system with slip-ons, strap-ons, or whatever: compensating for something…

Gals who replace a perfectly good street bike exhaust system: trying to please a significant other?

The judges of the compensators: Finesse and Unregistered?

Gals trying to please a significant other? HAHAHHAHAHA. I really can't see that.. Maybe to get attention without boobs?

Guys? Looking for attention from girls, duh. I mean guys with loud bikes are like peacocks amongst the pigeons.

alex.s · July 29th, 2015, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wardie

Hey to each his own. If You don't mind riding 400 hundred miles with loud pipes go for it but that's not for me.

Consider it's a 250..I have a K&N air filter, needles shimmed and carbs synch'd and adjusted and valves set. The bike performs as well as a 250 can .

I've been through the pipes and cans and just about everything else in my 64 years and in my experience ( I said my experience) unless you have access to a dyno and check baseline then check each time you change something your not going to have accurate information on whether or not the money you invested is yielding any power gains whether significant or not.

I have a friend Dr. Yeager who has done some mods like K&N filter, jets, and a pipe with a quiet core and he has some data to show he's picked up 2 horsepower. That's significant but for the investment I wouldn't do it.

Good conversation plenty of opinions...pick one and go with it.

*inflected teenage annoyed voice and probably some sort of dyed hair* gosh gramps, nobody said it was accurate. just better

wardie · July 30th, 2015, 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

*inflected teenage annoyed voice and probably some sort of dyed hair* gosh gramps, nobody said it was accurate. just better

Gramps says in your mind you're right

Proteus · July 30th, 2015, 06:14 AM

I replaced my horn with this one:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...rch_detailpage

It's a direct swap and it's MUCH louder. People used to continue merging into my lane wondering what that sound was, now they react quite appropriately.

Bigballsofpaint · July 30th, 2015, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wardie

Hey to each his own. If You don't mind riding 400 hundred miles with loud pipes go for it but that's not for me.

Consider it's a 250..I have a K&N air filter, needles shimmed and carbs synch'd and adjusted and valves set. The bike performs as well as a 250 can .

I've been through the pipes and cans and just about everything else in my 64 years and in my experience ( I said my experience) unless you have access to a dyno and check baseline then check each time you change something your not going to have accurate information on whether or not the money you invested is yielding any power gains whether significant or not.

I have a friend Dr. Yeager who has done some mods like K&N filter, jets, and a pipe with a quiet core and he has some data to show he's picked up 2 horsepower. That's significant but for the investment I wouldn't do it.

Good conversation plenty of opinions...pick one and go with it.

I agree with most of what your trying to convy. A pipe for the sake of a pipe means nothing. But take the most known example for the 250, the Area P. I gained just over 4 HP with the pipe jet and filter. No loss at any point in the rpm. Its not much louder than stock and really wakes the bike up over 9k rpm. They did over 50 dyno pulls while developing it to make the best exhaust possible, and i love it.

wardie · July 30th, 2015, 07:04 AM

Quote:

But take the most known example for the 250, the Area P. I gained just over 4 HP with the pipe jet and filter. No loss at any point in the rpm. Its not much louder than stock and really wakes the bike up over 9k rpm. They did over 50 dyno pulls while developing it to make the best exhaust possible, and i love it.

Yes that is exactly what I'm trying to convey. To do it just so the bike is loud is sophomoric. To do it where you have attended to several systems so that all are in balance and performing where you actually lose unsprung weight and gain HP now that's the deal. I applaud you because you found a way to get it done and keep the bike relatively quiet.

subxero · July 30th, 2015, 07:16 AM

I have no idea how loud my exhaust is or what it sounds like to others. When I am riding I don't think it sounds very loud, but if I rev it while it is stationary and I am not wearing a helmet it sounds pretty loud....and AWESOME

allanoue · July 30th, 2015, 07:34 AM

To each his own, but loud pipes for the sake of being loud is disturbing others peace. I am looking forward to quiet peaceful rides on an electric bike with just the sound of a 100 mph wind past my helmet.

cadd · July 30th, 2015, 07:37 AM

With a slip on, it gets annoying at times on long freeway rides. But then again the wind noise gets just as annoying. I use earplugs.

The only downside (for me) is that I can't have a conversation with my buddy at traffic lights without screaming at each other.

subxero · July 30th, 2015, 08:30 AM

90% of the bikes in my area are Harley's and other cruisers, mostly Harley's with uber loud pipes, my little n250 with it's aftermarket exhaust is but a whisper amongst the thunder

Vagabondesss · July 30th, 2015, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Proteus

I replaced my horn with this one:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...rch_detailpage

It's a direct swap and it's MUCH louder. People used to continue merging into my lane wondering what that sound was, now they react quite appropriately.

YASSSSS! I am a Ninja, hear me...honk!

spooph · July 30th, 2015, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wardie

Jumping in late on this thread but here's my opinion.

A muffler does nothing for performance, in fact without other alterations you could lose HP. Kawasaki engineers do know what they're doing so unless you're willing to begin and end with dyno runs every time you change something that "feel in the pants" might be something other than a performance gain. As an Iron Butt rider ever wonder why no one really has loud pipes on their bikes. Ever do 400 or 500 miles following a guy with non stock exhaust or ride a bike any decent distance 400 + miles and you'll soon be tired of that braspppppppppp very soon. JMO

Others have addressed this, but let me offer this:

The stock ninjette dyno graph tends to fall off heavily after 9K or so (I forget the exact region), which is the entire upper register of the rev range. On any other bike, this wouldn't be a problem, however, my 250 sees redline on a regular basis, and simply for the health of the exhaust valves, a slip-on can produce reasonable gains. Of course, as you have mentioned, the rest of the system will have to be balanced again...

Not trying to

wardie · July 30th, 2015, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spooph

Others have addressed this, but let me offer this:

The stock ninjette dyno graph tends to fall off heavily after 9K or so (I forget the exact region), which is the entire upper register of the rev range. On any other bike, this wouldn't be a problem, however, my 250 sees redline on a regular basis, and simply for the health of the exhaust valves, a slip-on can produce reasonable gains.

I think I'll let our resident engineer @choneofakind answer that

capt_bugaloo · July 30th, 2015, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

*inflected teenage annoyed voice and probably some sort of dyed hair* gosh gramps, nobody said it was accurate. just better

'Git offa my lawn with your noisy motorsicle!'

choneofakind · July 30th, 2015, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wardie

I think I'll let our resident engineer @choneofakind answer that

Ha. Sorry, no idea on that one.

Finesse · July 31st, 2015, 03:16 PM

I rode my honda xr50 last night with A STOCK PIPE and some fuddy duddy came out of his house and told me I have no business keeping people awake. I was in a county park on a small strip of paved driveway for their summer camp facility at 11.30pm maybe 200ft from the nearest house. practicing wheelies

so the argument for not bothering people with an aftermarket pipe is now invalid

choneofakind · July 31st, 2015, 03:18 PM

2 stroke? Makes a difference in volume.

July 28th, 2015, 09:42 AM	#81
Aufitt The A Team Name: Aufitt Location: Western Australia Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): Z50, CB125, RZ500, MC22, R3. Posts: 394	There is no worse sound in the world than a ninja 250 with a loud system. No reason to change it unless you race and need to lose weight.
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July 28th, 2015, 10:11 AM	#82
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	__________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

July 28th, 2015, 01:10 PM	#84
allanoue ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Al Location: York, Pa Join Date: Dec 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja 300..............2008 Ninja 500-sold...2009 Ninja 250-Crashed Posts: Too much. MOTM - Sep '14	virgin __________________________________________________ Keep calm and ride on -Motofool Never quit on a rainy day -ally99

July 28th, 2015, 01:22 PM	#85
Finesse ran when parked Name: Katie Location: DC/MD Join Date: Aug 2013 Motorcycle(s): Freeride 250R, KLX250SF, mopeds Posts: A lot. MOTM - Sep '17, Dec '14	__________________________________________________ Instagram: @katie.baden

July 28th, 2015, 06:11 PM	#89
Rifleman Old and slow Name: Lohman Location: Aiken, S.C. Join Date: May 2014 Motorcycle(s): Suzuki TL1000R, Honda CBR600F3, Ninja 250 Posts: 889	I'd say Finesse has all the experience. my qualifications are significantly lacking. are we opening this little wager up to both of the sexes? and what is it women are compensating for when they ride with loud pipes? Or is this ALL just about penis envy? __________________________________________________

July 28th, 2015, 07:21 PM	#90
wardie ninjette.org guru Name: Larry Location: Youngstown, Ohio Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 06 KLR 650,12 250 Ninja, 86 DR 125, 07 CRF 100, 09 Tomos Streetmate LEL Record Holder, 88 K100 RT Posts: 434	Jumping in late on this thread but here's my opinion. A muffler does nothing for performance, in fact without other alterations you could lose HP. Kawasaki engineers do know what they're doing so unless you're willing to begin and end with dyno runs every time you change something that "feel in the pants" might be something other than a performance gain. As an Iron Butt rider ever wonder why no one really has loud pipes on their bikes. Ever do 400 or 500 miles following a guy with non stock exhaust or ride a bike any decent distance 400 + miles and you'll soon be tired of that braspppppppppp very soon. JMO __________________________________________________ wardie
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July 29th, 2015, 05:44 PM	#91
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	It's not bad doing distance with a pipe. I was always under the assumption that IBR riders usually were quiet because they're known to be a little extra legal and didn't want to raise hell with the local law enforcement. While I disagree with you, thank you for upholding the respect for the engineer

July 29th, 2015, 07:31 PM	#96
Finesse ran when parked Name: Katie Location: DC/MD Join Date: Aug 2013 Motorcycle(s): Freeride 250R, KLX250SF, mopeds Posts: A lot. MOTM - Sep '17, Dec '14	@Sirref did. __________________________________________________ Instagram: @katie.baden
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July 29th, 2015, 08:13 PM	#98
Finesse ran when parked Name: Katie Location: DC/MD Join Date: Aug 2013 Motorcycle(s): Freeride 250R, KLX250SF, mopeds Posts: A lot. MOTM - Sep '17, Dec '14	I wish I had a running soundtrack of 650r flat trackers racing in my head all day long __________________________________________________ Instagram: @katie.baden

July 29th, 2015, 08:15 PM	#99
Sirref Private Joker Name: Ben Location: Towson, MD Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): '99/'01 Ninja 250 "sketchy", '13 Ninja 300 "yoshi", '03 GSXR 600 "merlin" Posts: A lot. MOTM - Mar '14	^ at that point it's tinnitus which, speaking from experience, sucks __________________________________________________ I see you over there seeing me, do you see the me I think you see?
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July 29th, 2015, 08:19 PM	#100
wardie ninjette.org guru Name: Larry Location: Youngstown, Ohio Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 06 KLR 650,12 250 Ninja, 86 DR 125, 07 CRF 100, 09 Tomos Streetmate LEL Record Holder, 88 K100 RT Posts: 434	Hey to each his own. If You don't mind riding 400 hundred miles with loud pipes go for it but that's not for me. Consider it's a 250..I have a K&N air filter, needles shimmed and carbs synch'd and adjusted and valves set. The bike performs as well as a 250 can . I've been through the pipes and cans and just about everything else in my 64 years and in my experience ( I said my experience) unless you have access to a dyno and check baseline then check each time you change something your not going to have accurate information on whether or not the money you invested is yielding any power gains whether significant or not. I have a friend Dr. Yeager who has done some mods like K&N filter, jets, and a pipe with a quiet core and he has some data to show he's picked up 2 horsepower. That's significant but for the investment I wouldn't do it. Good conversation plenty of opinions...pick one and go with it. __________________________________________________ wardie

July 29th, 2015, 08:28 PM	#101
Vagabondesss ninjette.org member Name: Safia Location: Toronto Join Date: Oct 2014 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250 Posts: 32	Because I like it when people make fun of my Ninja for sounding like a sewing machine and then I tell them I rode this sewing machine from Canada to Florida and they stop making fun of it. Main reason is because I don't want to spend money when I don't have to. I plan on getting a MUCH louder horn though. The Ninjette's honk is pathetic and cute... not angry at all! __________________________________________________ -Vagabondesss The moto-hobo Website Facebook Instagram Twitter

July 30th, 2015, 06:14 AM	#107
Proteus Daily Ninjette Rider Name: Steve Location: Hollywood, FL Join Date: Jul 2014 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250R, 2015 Vespa GTS 300 IE Super, 1989 Honda Elite 80 (SOLD) Posts: 402	I replaced my horn with this one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...rch_detailpage It's a direct swap and it's MUCH louder. People used to continue merging into my lane wondering what that sound was, now they react quite appropriately. __________________________________________________ Check out my music at http://www.proteusmusic.com

July 30th, 2015, 07:16 AM	#110
subxero dirty boy Name: Joe Location: Johnstown, PA Join Date: Sep 2012 Motorcycle(s): I don't even know anymore?? Posts: A lot. MOTM - Apr '14	I have no idea how loud my exhaust is or what it sounds like to others. When I am riding I don't think it sounds very loud, but if I rev it while it is stationary and I am not wearing a helmet it sounds pretty loud....and AWESOME __________________________________________________ I love the smell of burning pre-mix in the morning I don't think I'm a lot dumber than you thought that I think that I thought I was once.
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July 30th, 2015, 07:34 AM	#111
allanoue ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Al Location: York, Pa Join Date: Dec 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja 300..............2008 Ninja 500-sold...2009 Ninja 250-Crashed Posts: Too much. MOTM - Sep '14	To each his own, but loud pipes for the sake of being loud is disturbing others peace. I am looking forward to quiet peaceful rides on an electric bike with just the sound of a 100 mph wind past my helmet. __________________________________________________ Keep calm and ride on -Motofool Never quit on a rainy day -ally99
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July 30th, 2015, 07:37 AM	#112
cadd cadd cadd cadd Name: Cadd Location: 41°21'13.1"N, 74°41'37.4"W Join Date: Jan 2014 Motorcycle(s): 300 Posts: A lot. MOTM - May '15	With a slip on, it gets annoying at times on long freeway rides. But then again the wind noise gets just as annoying. I use earplugs. The only downside (for me) is that I can't have a conversation with my buddy at traffic lights without screaming at each other. __________________________________________________ Riding it like I financed it.

July 30th, 2015, 08:30 AM	#113
subxero dirty boy Name: Joe Location: Johnstown, PA Join Date: Sep 2012 Motorcycle(s): I don't even know anymore?? Posts: A lot. MOTM - Apr '14	90% of the bikes in my area are Harley's and other cruisers, mostly Harley's with uber loud pipes, my little n250 with it's aftermarket exhaust is but a whisper amongst the thunder __________________________________________________ I love the smell of burning pre-mix in the morning I don't think I'm a lot dumber than you thought that I think that I thought I was once.
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July 31st, 2015, 03:16 PM	#119
Finesse ran when parked Name: Katie Location: DC/MD Join Date: Aug 2013 Motorcycle(s): Freeride 250R, KLX250SF, mopeds Posts: A lot. MOTM - Sep '17, Dec '14	I rode my honda xr50 last night with A STOCK PIPE and some fuddy duddy came out of his house and told me I have no business keeping people awake. I was in a county park on a small strip of paved driveway for their summer camp facility at 11.30pm maybe 200ft from the nearest house. practicing wheelies so the argument for not bothering people with an aftermarket pipe is now invalid __________________________________________________ Instagram: @katie.baden

July 31st, 2015, 03:18 PM	#120
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	2 stroke? Makes a difference in volume.

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