Palomar 11-13-10 and a request

Havok · November 13th, 2010, 11:18 PM

Ok got some pics of me riding I would love if some of the experienced riders could point out things I missed that I am doing wrong.

This one is going up and tbh looks good to me, I am slightly off the seat, I have the counter steering in for lean, I am on the gas looking through the turn and the balls of my feet are on the pegs. All in all pretty good though I could hang off the seat more so I don't have to lean the bike as much

This one is down and I have issues! First my dumb ass is covering the clutch WTF am I goi g to do pull it in if **** goes bad /headslap, I am not on the gas like I should be as you can see my end is digging in some /headslap foot position is good though I need to slide off the seat some. Down hill is my biggest issue though, I tend to sencond guess and am not as comfortable so I need to trust in turbine more and work on entry speed so I stay on that damn throttle.

Cazper · November 14th, 2010, 12:15 AM

I think you pretty much covered it... I've been meaning to go to Palomar... wish I knew you were gonna go... I could have hit it up with you! Maybe next time! Looks like you are about to scrape your muffler in the first picture...lol. GET SOME!!!

Nemesis · November 14th, 2010, 12:28 AM

**Disclaimer: I don't condone practicing on the streets/canyons. You're just asking for trouble.

With that said, you need to get off the seat more. One butt cheek on the saddle. Lower your chest. Helmet to the mirror. Your body looks a bit crossed up. It should be parallel to the bike. When turning right, let your left shoulder touch the tank. <--that's a bit extreme for most but if you can do that then everything else falls in place (head, knee, body, etc.). Keep in mind there's really no right or wrong BP (body position). Yeah, there are the basics but if you can corner all that BP talk doesn't really matter.

I've seen guys with really bad BP corner fast, and good BP corners just as fast too. Once you have the basic "idea" of how to apply good BP work on cornering, not so much your BP.

Havok · November 14th, 2010, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Nemesis

**Disclaimer: I don't condone practicing on the streets/canyons. You're just asking for trouble.

With that said, you need to get off the seat more. One butt check on the saddle. Lower your chest. Helmet to the mirror. Your body looks a bit crossed up. It should be parallel to the bike. When turning right, let your left shoulder touch the tank. <--that's a bit extreme for most but if you can do that then everything else falls in place (head, knee, body, etc.). Keep in mind there's really no right or wrong BP (body position). Yeah, there are the basics but if you can corner all that BP talk doesn't really matter.

I've seen guys with really bad BP corner fast, and good BP corners just as fast too. Once you have the basic "idea" of how to apply good BP work on cornering, not so much your BP.

I think I look crossed up as I was commi g out of my lean and starting the bike up though I could just be crossed up a bit. I do need to get off the seat more and worked in that the way home, I know if I do that I won't have to lean as far over. I work in getting my body lower.
Thanks for the tips!

The only reason I didn't post for palomar was I didn't decide I was going till 8 am this morning I was on the fence with it lol.

Nemesis · November 14th, 2010, 12:51 AM

Cool, no worries.

Work on getting a good entry speed, flicking the bike and rolling on the throttle as you hit apex. In a long sweeper, you can just roll on the throttle a little earlier.

My first time at Palomar was really intimidating. I was on a 600cc bike and I ran wide in one of the decreasing radius turn and managed to hit a boulder that flipped my bike and the bike landed on my ankle, shattering my ankle into powder dust. LOL!

That was years ago. LOL

Havok · November 14th, 2010, 01:07 AM

This was my first time and it was intense. The blind turns are fairly tight and sharp, a lot shaper then ACH that is for sure. It was a good first run and a few more trips up I should have a better idea for my speed into and out of the curves.

Thanks for the input it helps me get better.

Cazper · November 16th, 2010, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Havok

The only reason I didn't post for palomar was I didn't decide I was going till 8 am this morning I was on the fence with it lol.

No worries... I'm interested in going, but a little nervous to go on the weekend when I hear its usually packed... I would probably be more comfortable on a less crowded time.

Havok · November 16th, 2010, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cazper

No worries... I'm interested in going, but a little nervous to go on the weekend when I hear its usually packed... I would probably be more comfortable on a less crowded time.

The other bikers are not an issue most just wait and pass when it is safe. Cars on the other hand suck up there, the locals will slow down and not use turn outs got stuck twice behind some ass hat going 15 lol. ACH is good as there are so few cars and ones that are there pull over and use the turn outs.

Cazper · November 16th, 2010, 09:03 PM

I'm definitely going to have to go check both of these out! I need some more twisties fun!!!

Havok · November 18th, 2010, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Cazper

I'm definitely going to have to go check both of these out! I need some more twisties fun!!!

I'll pm you next time I hit them up, I prefer ACH over palomar as it's a longer run and better scenery. I will be hitting Malibu soon as well a least to say I have gone up it lol.

JeffM · November 18th, 2010, 08:26 AM

I think your eyes tell the story here

Havok · November 18th, 2010, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JeffM

I think your eyes tell the story here

Agree! It was kind of an oh **** moment on that one. The black truck in front of me had just about stoped for the turn even though I had just about stoped for a second or two just before I hit that turn. I look very indecisive and my inexperience shows in my eyes like you pointed out, body position and the covered clutch. That is why I posted these noob pics so others can help me vet better.

I think I should have stayed on the throttle and trailed the back brake

Cazper · November 19th, 2010, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Havok

I'll pm you next time I hit them up, I prefer ACH over palomar as it's a longer run and better scenery. I will be hitting Malibu soon as well a least to say I have gone up it lol.

Definitely! There are several that I would eventually at least like to try out... to include GMR although thats a bit of a hike for me.

Rexbo · November 19th, 2010, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffm

i think your eyes tell the story here

hahahahahaha

November 13th, 2010, 11:18 PM	#1
Havok Internet Slut Name: Jeff Location: L.A. Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 04 FZ1, 07 FZ6 Posts: A lot.	Palomar 11-13-10 and a request Ok got some pics of me riding I would love if some of the experienced riders could point out things I missed that I am doing wrong. This one is going up and tbh looks good to me, I am slightly off the seat, I have the counter steering in for lean, I am on the gas looking through the turn and the balls of my feet are on the pegs. All in all pretty good though I could hang off the seat more so I don't have to lean the bike as much This one is down and I have issues! First my dumb ass is covering the clutch WTF am I goi g to do pull it in if **** goes bad /headslap, I am not on the gas like I should be as you can see my end is digging in some /headslap foot position is good though I need to slide off the seat some. Down hill is my biggest issue though, I tend to sencond guess and am not as comfortable so I need to trust in turbine more and work on entry speed so I stay on that damn throttle.

November 14th, 2010, 12:15 AM	#2
Cazper ninjaholic Name: Dustin Location: Oceanside, CA Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): 09' SE 250R (sold), 03' ZX-6R, 99' XL1200C SP Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 3	I think you pretty much covered it... I've been meaning to go to Palomar... wish I knew you were gonna go... I could have hit it up with you! Maybe next time! Looks like you are about to scrape your muffler in the first picture...lol. GET SOME!!! __________________________________________________ 09' SE Ninja 250R $2,547.83 worth of mods installed... come on Unregistered, you know you want to know what? Check my Blog "Modification List"

November 16th, 2010, 09:03 PM	#9
Cazper ninjaholic Name: Dustin Location: Oceanside, CA Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): 09' SE 250R (sold), 03' ZX-6R, 99' XL1200C SP Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 3	I'm definitely going to have to go check both of these out! I need some more twisties fun!!! __________________________________________________ 09' SE Ninja 250R $2,547.83 worth of mods installed... come on Unregistered, you know you want to know what? Check my Blog "Modification List"

November 18th, 2010, 08:26 AM	#11
JeffM Mr. 988 Name: Jeff Location: Sandy, Utah Join Date: Aug 2009 Motorcycle(s): One Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 1	I think your eyes tell the story here __________________________________________________ "I'm the one that's got to die when it's time for me to die, so let me live my life, the way I want to" - Jimi Hendrix Cancer

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November 14th, 2010, 12:28 AM	#3
Nemesis CVMA #74 WSMC #750 Name: Nemesis Location: On the track Join Date: Oct 2009 Motorcycle(s): All of them Posts: A lot.	**Disclaimer: I don't condone practicing on the streets/canyons. You're just asking for trouble. With that said, you need to get off the seat more. One butt cheek on the saddle. Lower your chest. Helmet to the mirror. Your body looks a bit crossed up. It should be parallel to the bike. When turning right, let your left shoulder touch the tank. <--that's a bit extreme for most but if you can do that then everything else falls in place (head, knee, body, etc.). Keep in mind there's really no right or wrong BP (body position). Yeah, there are the basics but if you can corner all that BP talk doesn't really matter. I've seen guys with really bad BP corner fast, and good BP corners just as fast too. Once you have the basic "idea" of how to apply good BP work on cornering, not so much your BP.

November 14th, 2010, 12:51 AM	#5
Nemesis CVMA #74 WSMC #750 Name: Nemesis Location: On the track Join Date: Oct 2009 Motorcycle(s): All of them Posts: A lot.	Cool, no worries. Work on getting a good entry speed, flicking the bike and rolling on the throttle as you hit apex. In a long sweeper, you can just roll on the throttle a little earlier. My first time at Palomar was really intimidating. I was on a 600cc bike and I ran wide in one of the decreasing radius turn and managed to hit a boulder that flipped my bike and the bike landed on my ankle, shattering my ankle into powder dust. LOL! That was years ago. LOL

November 14th, 2010, 01:07 AM	#6
Havok Internet Slut Name: Jeff Location: L.A. Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 04 FZ1, 07 FZ6 Posts: A lot.	This was my first time and it was intense. The blind turns are fairly tight and sharp, a lot shaper then ACH that is for sure. It was a good first run and a few more trips up I should have a better idea for my speed into and out of the curves. Thanks for the input it helps me get better.