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Old March 28th, 2013, 01:15 PM   #1
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Just in case you get caught in the rain.................wet pavement............
Can't agree with this one (edit: Motofool: that's post #11, right-most example). Even when I grew up in SoCal (Central Coast, S.B.) there wasn't rain that selectively fell to make spots you could (or should) swerve around.

Also, I just spent the last 5 months riding on cold, snowy (not accumulation), and wet pavement and am still doing it this week. It's far better to just ride straight with even, positive throttle than dance around in the lane looking for the dry spot.

In fact, usually the typical (outside lane) riding position remains the best because it's the line all the cars' tires have made slightly drier.

Most of the other advice is good, and I definitely second recommendations to avoid paint stripes.

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I'm really confused by the 'hug the tractor trailer' pass being blue -- I would move the whole lane over and pass in the style of the other blue one than risk being blown around/not seen by the driver.
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I'm really confused by the 'hug the tractor trailer' pass being blue -- I would move the whole lane over and pass in the style of the other blue one than risk being blown around/not seen by the driver.
That is more for following the trailer than for passing.

Positioning over the left wheels' track prevent (to certain degree) surprises coming from under the center of the trailer as well as a fast escape path to the left.

Note that because the crossed wing (and also driver's visibility), the actual pass should be done as far from the side of the trailer as possible, as you have explained.
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...........I definitely second recommendations to avoid paint stripes.
In USA at least, there is a type of road marking (mainly for fonts) that is not painted but made out of some type of white plastic that is glued over the road: those are really slippery and should be avoided at all cost.
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I'd like to add one.... when approaching an intersection where there is a car going your way turning left AND a car coming toward you getting ready to turn left, weave over to the RIGHT half of the lane.

The problem is that the car waiting to turn left in front of you has his vision obstructed by the car going your way waiting to turn left. If you are in the left 1/2 of your lane, the other guy can't see you thru the other car. If you are in the right side of that lane, he can see you several 10's of feet further back.

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I'd like to add one.... when approaching an intersection where there is a car going your way turning left AND a car coming toward you getting ready to turn left, weave over to the RIGHT half of the lane.

The problem is that the car waiting to turn left in front of you has his vision obstructed by the car going your way waiting to turn left. If you are in the left 1/2 of your lane, the other guy can't see you thru the other car. If you are in the right side of that lane, he can see you several 10's of feet further back.

See diagram for better explanation.
Just to chime in with a related item -- my big accident was the same situation but was instead just cars going straight while I was in the far right lane; meaning neither vehicle [myself or the person who turned into me] saw the other. This is why a left hand turn is illegal where he made it, not that it stopped him. Any situation where a car could be 'hiding' should make you move or slow down. That means traffic, lane splitting, going around blind corners, approaching intersections like you describe
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MotoFool, do you have one for highway riding lane postions/on ramp/off ramp exits etc?
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I like it.

However, this one has me scratching my head a bit:



I agree with Numbersix on this one. Better for the left lane rider to keep the same path vs. veering over to the right to avoid the water. Motorcycles hydroplane less than cars due to the round profile of the tires. I always try to ride in the tracks of the vehicle in front of me in the wet and stay off center to avoid the oily center of the lane.

Steady is the name of the game in the rain.

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In USA at least, there is a type of road marking (mainly for fonts) that is not painted but made out of some type of white plastic that is glued over the road: those are really slippery and should be avoided at all cost.
Maybe I'm not clear? "Second" means "agree with, or concur" or in current net lingo, +1.

Anyway I'm saying the example is invalid; I've never seen a wet spot cover half a lane. Rain tends to fall on the whole road Very occasionally I've seen a true puddle (or mini-lake) and even then I'm more likely (as in: have done, safely) to drive straight through it with a light throttle-on to keep the weight distribution neutral. Throttle-off puts weight on the front; acceleration puts it on the back. This is a situation where I want all the "traction budget" going into putting water off the tires, and none into accelerating, decelerating, or turning.
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MotoFool, do you have one for highway riding lane postions/on ramp/off ramp exits etc?
Tony,

Unfortunately, I don't have one for that.

Couple of tips for highway riding:

Constantly switching lanes is not the best approach, in my experience.

The car or truck next to you has much more power to sweep you away that those in front and behind you (rear ends are only 2% of all the motorcycle's accidents).

You have control over the car in front, keeping distance and away from the center of the lane (from where debris will suddenly come to you).

Move over for tailgaters after a little time, or, if not possible, slow down progressively until the driver decides to go around.

Speed up or slowdown as needed to stay away from blind spots and never idle next to a car/truck, even if it is far from your side. Check the mirrors before slowing down.

Make an effort to never be between a car /truck and an exit/off ramp, even if the thing is traveling on a far lane: some drivers love dive-bomb at the last second.

Look far away (as much as a mile) and scan for debris, road snakes/steps/potholes and crazy-behaving drivers, constantly make an evasive plan and have at least one escape way.
Staying on either side of your lane will facilitate seeing by the side of the cars in front of you.

There is only one reason to be in the middle of the lane: while you are moving over one or more lanes; in which case you want to be there the minimum time possible and keeping an eye on whatever could suddenly come from underneath that car.

Use your peripheral view for scanning near situations and never keep your eyes on a distraction for more than 1/10 second (avoid target fixation and distractions).

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http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/fe...cs_code_break/

Make evasive maneuvers (which you should practice weekly on a parking lot) a priority over sudden braking, because at high speeds your bike will need many feet/meters to stop, and more importantly, cars following you will take even more distance (if the driver is paying attention and attempts braking behind you).

Personally, I move over the faster lanes as soon as I leave the acceleration/on ramp, because I prefer going fast than being tangle in the slow traffic merging on and off ramps.

In Florida, we have HOV lanes or high occupancy vehicles' lanes that allow motorcycles on it and I always use because I have the left shoulder as a way to escape any bad situation.
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Maybe I'm not clear? "Second" means "agree with, or concur" or in current net lingo, +1.
You were clear, and I did second, agree, concur and +1 regarding your statement, simply adding that besides paint, those plastic marking exist and are much more slippery than paint.

I know it because after a very bad accident happened, they have installed these markings at my neighborhood.
Soon after that, I have experienced that those can offer "free excitement" when raining.

As for swerving on wet pavement, I don't avoid it over avoiding any road danger.
Same with hard braking on wet pavement.
I commute in the rain frequently and I have tested my tires in all conditions, concluding that they have more grip over clean wet pavement than I want to believe.

"Would you like to know how much lean angle and speed it takes to completely lose the front or rear-end as a result of a panic chop-off of the throttle when encountering wet pavement or riding through a patch of sand? I did." - Keith Code

http://forums.superbikeschool.com/in...showtopic=1548

Just last night, I was coming back home under heavy rain and lightning from a bad storm.
The combination of darkness, droplets on the visor and lightning made me basically blind (I was on the freeway and had no place to find shelter).

Because of that, I saw a big chunk of truck tire on my lane just a few feet ahead, while doing 75 mph.
My only option was to hard steer and to swerve around that huge thing (no brakes), and I didn't hesitate doing it, simply because previous situations had developed huge confidence on my rubber in wet conditions.

The rain was very heavy and it had washed oil and grime away already; I would have been more conservative if riding on a road just wet by light rain.
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Hmm... Most of those diagrams could be summed up by saying "Don't get too close, stay out of a cars blind spot, make yourself visable to lorrys without rear view mirrors, avoid slippery surfaces, don't ride in the wrong lane" common sense stuff.
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As for swerving on wet pavement, I don't avoid it over avoiding any road danger.
Same with hard braking on wet pavement.
I commute in the rain frequently and I have tested my tires in all conditions, concluding that they have more grip over clean wet pavement than I want to believe.


I used to be shy riding in the rain/wet. Not until I did a track day in the wet did I understand that, on a reasonably clean surface, street tires have quite a bit of grip.

One thing to remember is to always keep riding the motorcycle, so-to-speak, never give up on a situation and always have a plan of action whether it is a chunk of tire on a wet freeway, or gravel on a decreasing radius curve.

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Old January 31st, 2015, 09:03 PM   #33
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Old February 1st, 2015, 01:32 AM   #34
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I disagree with parts of this:

The Center Of The Lane While Stopped

Disregard our lane-splitting brethren for the moment. What do we do when we are in one of the most vulnerable and statistically alarming situations a motorcyclist can face? We’re stopped with none of the traditional advantages we can employ and the possibility of being suddenly mashed between two much larger vehicles. We can mitigate this by staying to the outside lane and pointing our direction of travel in between cars instead of directly into cars. The theory is if one is rear ended, they will at least be suddenly forced in between the cars to pinball around rather than completely smashed between them.


As I recall, the MSF course taught to always be in the "ready" position when stopped at intersections. Bike pointed in the best predetermined exit position, not so close to the vehicle ahead that there is no maneuvering room, in first gear, right hand on throttle, right foot on brake, left hand on clutch, left foot down, and eyes checking mirrors for traffic coming from behind that may not stop in time. If it appears you are about to become a bumper sandwich, take the escape route you've already prepared for.

Angling the bike in between cars, waiting for the inevitable to happen and hoping an outside lane position will minimize damage to you and the bike does not sound like a good option. It's like relinquishing control of the bike and assuming there's no way to avoid such an accident, when in fact there is.
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Very helpful thread
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thanks, glad I came across this post.
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Two good articles:

http://rideapart.com/articles/7-plac...zergnet_345906

http://rideapart.com/articles/how-to-ride-in-low-sun
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Lane's position............
I commute up and down a narrow windy road (poor me!) and I just had two close calls within a couple days.

It is critical it is to stay wide at the beginning of left-hand turns--this is where cars go wide and you can get taken out. Your head leans out into the opposite lane on left-handers.

The first close call was due to a very narrow road and a very wide tow truck; we just happened to meet on a blind hairpin and if I hadn't focused on staying wide BEFORE I knew a car was coming, I could have died. I still had to do a quick swerve to miss the truck, it was just a very narrow spot (Tunitas creek road).

The second close call was guy who was driving like a maniac--it wasn't that he had gone wide, he was literally driving with 2 feet of his car over the line on purpose. If I had aimed to have my head just inside the center line, it would have been taken off.

These situations will kill you--the 'backroads' are often busy on weekends and roll the dice enough times and you're going to lose.
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A good illustrated article:

Riding on the Street: What to Look For

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