lowsided yesterday.. no gear =(

[adri99an]

Ujaas...feel better...that looks like it hurts!

Those images will be burned into my longterm motorcycle memory....thanks for sharing your story- it takes guts to put yourself out there. And thanks for reminding ME that motorcycling is to be taken seriously while having fun at the same time.

[alex.s]

at least you'll have some cool scars to show the kids.
honestly though the pain of injuries is something you remember even after the evidence of them is gone. i remember all of my serious injuries. i remember exactly why they happened. and i remember the events leading up to them very well. all of my major injuries (on and off bikes) seem to be scarred not only on my body but into my mind. i don't do the things that led up to all of my major injuries now because of them. scars are natures way of helping you remember not to make poor choices.

hope you have a speedy recovery and get back on the bike asap... btw how is the bike?

[adri99an]

Originally Posted by Nemesis

You act as if you're the only one on the road.



Come do CVMA and I'll show you who your true Nemesis is.

Apple Nemeis....My wife just laughed at your post...move on!

[Nemesis]

Originally Posted by adri99an

Apple Nemeis....My wife just laughed at your post...move on!

Chicken.

[alex.s]

Originally Posted by adri99an

My wife just laughed at your post

pics or it didn't happen!

[Nemesis]

Originally Posted by alex.s

pics or it didn't happen!

+1

Need a good laugh.

[SpeedDemon]

Originally Posted by UjaasG35

updated pics lol

There is nothing there anymore

[adri99an]

Originally Posted by Nemesis

Chicken.

she said try this hat on....



Meet me at Thunder Road- we'll race for pinks Crater Face!

[oroboros]

Thank you for posting this and including pictures. It is a good reminder that we should never be complacent.

I wish you a fast recovery!

[gfloyd2002]

Man, I really feel for you. Take care of yourself and feel better. I guess no one knows better than you now about the importance of gear, but I wanted to mention that I live in the tropics with heat index over 100 all the time -- I honestly think with light colored, breathable gear I'm cooler than if I were gearless because I keep the sun off and the wind keeps coming through.

Good luck, hope the healing happens quickly and you are back up and riding soon.

[Nemesis]

Originally Posted by adri99an

she said try this hat on....

Nice pic of your wife. I'll definitely sport it if I haven't already.

[adri99an]

You should be so lucky to have a woman like mine- "Nemesis"

Nemeis....Is that your pole dancing name?

Now...welcome to the stage all the way from Thunder Road....Nemesis!


Do you call yourself Nemesis because you're "cool"?

[Shaol1n Monk]

the saying i always hear is: theres two kinds of riders; those who have gone down, and those who havent gone down... YET.

i high sided my bike a few months ago downshifting into a turn. i was wearing my jacket and helmet and gloves, but just jeans and wound up twisting my ankle pretty bad and getting a nice patch of road rash on my rt knee. when it happened i was more worried about my bikes damage than anything else, as i hobbled to pick it up. it took a while for the rash to heal and i still have a nice purple-ish scar on my knee. i was doing 40-45mph when it happened so i guess i was lucky i didnt do more damage to myself or my bike (broken turn signal, small rash on fairing). i realize it could have been much worse. it was at nite so no traffic was on the road around me.

consider this your "lucky" fall. it might not seem like it or feel like it, but considering the circumstances (no gear, lapse in concentration) you did WALK away. others have not been so lucky.

im glad your still with us and will live to ride another day. hope you heal quick brother.

[alex.s]

adri99an, Nemesis... you two are really a pair...

*fight fight fight fight!*

i think you guys should race for honor... and women. road-rash rules. but no spiked clubs, only chains and nunchucka. loony-toons style round fused bombs are cool too...

[Nemesis]

LOL

It's all good. LOL

Tell you what Andrea, meet me @ GMR tomorrow @ 9 and we'll race for pinks.

[adri99an]

Why does she call himself "NEMESIS"?

You're either
1) a Greek Roman goddess????

2) a hypothetical hard-to-detect red dwarf star, white dwarf star or brown dwarf, orbiting the Sun?????

3) a Geek that named himself after a Star Trek movie????

4) a formidable and usually victorious rival or opponent
(can't be this that's for sure)

I'm going to go with #3 on this one??

GMR- tomorrow- me and you- winner has to pole dance to a Lady Ga Ga song and youtube it for Ninjette.org. Alex will video tape it! (not alex.s)

It is ALL Good! Just having fun man- you're cracking me up!!!

[YORCHI]

Originally Posted by adri99an

Why does she call himself "NEMESIS"?

You're either
1) a Greek Roman goddess????

2) a hypothetical hard-to-detect red dwarf star, white dwarf star or brown dwarf, orbiting the Sun?????

3) a Geek that named himself after a Star Trek movie????

4) a formidable and usually victorious rival or opponent
(can't be this that's for sure)

I'm going to go with #3 on this one??

GMR- tomorrow- me and you- winner has to pole dance to a Lady Ga Ga song and youtube it for Ninjette.org. Alex will video tape it! (not alex.s)

It is ALL Good! Just having fun man- you're cracking me up!!!

[ninja250]

Originally Posted by rockNroll

don't ride on days you're gonna crash.

As awkward as that may sound there can be some slight truth to it!

[adri99an]

Originally Posted by Nemesis

LOL

It's all good. LOL

Tell you what Andrea, meet me @ GMR tomorrow @ 9 and we'll race for pinks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8F5WzwZ_Mg

Here's the vid from yesterday's GMR run....it was a slow run.....that turn at 6:00 min- freakin' amazing public road!!!!!


Nemesis......thanks for the pm....I think????

[Xoulrath]

You got lucky if that is all you got from a drop at 65 mph. I've been scratched up that bad when I was younger from a lot less speed on bikes and skateboards.

Be careful out there and I wish you a quick recovery.

[wayanlam]

omg... and i thought my road rash was painfull... thats one on your right arm is Epicly big! a friend had almost the same sized rash from his shoulder down to his elbow... slid out on gravel driving down to the beach in nothing but his board shorts,







i had my mesh riding jacket on, and it saved my elbows and arms SO SO much... but i was too lazy to put on my gloves (sat in the tank bag, lol) so i paid that off with some skin loss on the palms. was lucky on the legs, just that rash on the knee. but that took a while to heal up due to the skin always flexing and disturbing the scab...

rest at home to recover, you don't want that to get infected, use the time to get 5000 post counts, lol

GL on the recovery. just be greatfull that you did not get head trauma, or worse...

[UjaasG35]

need some advice guys..

need to get my wounds dressed.. went to my pediatrician yesterday (im 18 almost 19 i know i should switch to a big boy doctor now) and that bitch said she couldnt do anything.. i have to go back to an ER.. shes so lazy

i called ER and they said your doctor should handle it

i called other real doctors in the area and they're all closed on weekends and one said go to the ER, they dont do dressing

I don't know what to do. The ER said they'll do it today thank god.

also what should I use? ER gave me bacitricin

online i've been reading tegaderm and silvedene are the best

also im going on a long flight in 4-5 days. don't know if i'll be good by then =/

also i got 5mg percocet but it doesn't do anything. i take one every 4 hours
should i ask for a higher dosage?

[austexjg]

Sorry about the accident and the repercussions - don't have any advice on the proper way to dress wounds, I just use Neosporin which I'm sure is the non-profressional product of choice - or maybe just "pour sum Tussin over it"?

["A"]

To be honest, I ride without gear most of the time in the summer months.

I know better not to take more risks than I'm willing to put into the riding.

IMO: gear/helmets are optional, but you have to have the judgment not to take the unnecessary risks, like aggressive riding in areas that you are not familiar with.. or just look ahead a few vehicles every few seconds.

For your wounds: look up 'Second skin', they are somewhat expensive, but very effective and accelerate healing.

[alex.s]

Originally Posted by N Ja

To be honest, I ride without gear most of the time in the summer months.

I know better not to take more risks than I'm willing to put into the riding.

IMO: gear/helmets are optional, but you have to have the judgment not to take the unnecessary risks, like aggressive riding in areas that you are not familiar with.. or just look ahead a few vehicles every few seconds.

For your wounds: look up 'Second skin', they are somewhat expensive, but very effective and accelerate healing.

skydiving without a parachute is also optional.

[sombo]

Originally Posted by N Ja

To be honest, I ride without gear most of the time in the summer months.

I know better not to take more risks than I'm willing to put into the riding.

IMO: gear/helmets are optional, but you have to have the judgment not to take the unnecessary risks, like aggressive riding in areas that you are not familiar with.. or just look ahead a few vehicles every few seconds.

For your wounds: look up 'Second skin', they are somewhat expensive, but very effective and accelerate healing.

I got news for ya, doesn't matter how safe you try to ride, you can still have an accident. That is why you never take that chance. Otherwise if you ride with gear the only thing to accept is that you are riding at a much higher risk to injury and death, nothing else. You have to remember you don't control 100% of what goes on around you. That is why you should ALWAYS drive/ride defensively as if the world is out to get you, cause sometimes it just is.

IMO there is NEVER an excuse for being out on the street on a motorcycle w/o your gear on. But that's just me personally.

[dk58]

After seeing those pictures, today will be the last day that I don't own proper riding pants.

["A"]

Originally Posted by sombo

I got news for ya, doesn't matter how safe you try to ride, you can still have an accident. That is why you never take that chance. Otherwise if you ride with gear the only thing to accept is that you are riding at a much higher risk to injury and death, nothing else. You have to remember you don't control 100% of what goes on around you. That is why you should ALWAYS drive/ride defensively as if the world is out to get you, cause sometimes it just is.

IMO there is NEVER an excuse for being out on the street on a motorcycle w/o your gear on. But that's just me personally.

No denying, but majority of riders in the world do not ride with a helmet, accidents do occur with or without gear, but a cautious rider would have less accident occur to him/her regardless whether or not he/she has gear on.




Never taking a chance, then we'd never leave the house.

Opinions are like a$$holes, everybody's got one, all of them stink.. no argue with fact though.

Originally Posted by alex.s

skydiving without a parachute is also optional.

It may be optional if you're suicidal... but majority of skydivers in the world do not jump out of a plane without a chute.

[alex.s]

Originally Posted by "A"

No denying, but majority of riders in the world do not ride with a helmet, accidents do occur with or without gear, but a cautious rider would have less accident occur to him/her regardless whether or not he/she has gear on.

a large percentage of the world also doesn't have access to clean drinking water, sanitary waste disposal, or food everyday. does that mean its ok for me to drink from a puddle on the ground?

being a cautious driver doesn't effect how badly you're injured when the inevitable happens. wearing gear does.

[highpsiguy]

Guy with kids in above pic has just about screwed himself out of a place to ride on his bike.

[adri99an]

Originally Posted by "A"

No denying, but majority of riders in the world do not ride with a helmet, accidents do occur with or without gear, but a cautious rider would have less accident occur to him/her regardless whether or not he/she has gear on.




Never taking a chance, then we'd never leave the house.

Opinions are like a$$holes, everybody's got one, all of them stink.. no argue with fact though.



It may be optional if you're suicidal... but majority of skydivers in the world do not jump out of a plane without a chute.

Is that a 600?

[adri99an]

But seriously...here's why we wear gear

Another member Kaiser6 (sp.?) posted this link....Graphic!!!!!!!


http://forum.svrider.com/showthread.php?t=105585

[headshrink]

New riders often don't understand that when it gets that hot, it is actually cooler INSIDE your gear... unless you are sitting still for a long time. Also, aside from the obvious benefits of going down with gear, keep in mind the hot asphault will cook you like an egg. I have heard stories of parametics moving people before they otherwise felt comfortable, to prevent further burns.... this is in addition to rash.

["A"]

Originally Posted by alex.s

a large percentage of the world also doesn't have access to clean drinking water, sanitary waste disposal, or food everyday. does that mean its ok for me to drink from a puddle on the ground?

Poor analogy, drinking water is not an option to sustain your life, but a necessity.
Wearing a gear while riding is an option.

Originally Posted by alex.s

being a cautious driver doesn't effect how badly you're injured when the inevitable happens. wearing gear does.

Being cautious affect whether or not a person gets into an accident or avoiding accidents means that there is not injury to sustain.

Bottom line is, wearing gear alone do not make you any more cautious as a rider to avoid accidents, more than likely, one is more willing to take risks when geared up.

[adri99an]

Good point! Take that alex s!!! Hahahahaaaa!!!!
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[alex.s]

Originally Posted by "A"

Poor analogy, drinking water is not an option to sustain your life, but a necessity.
Wearing a gear while riding is an option.



Being cautious affect whether or not a person gets into an accident or avoiding accidents means that there is not injury to sustain.

Bottom line is, wearing gear alone do not make you any more cautious as a rider to avoid accidents, more than likely, one is more willing to take risks when geared up.

i'm sorry that you feel gear makes people ride recklessly. i have another understanding of it.

what's the definition of the word "accident"? do you honestly believe being cautious means you have 100% control over your situation? never seen black ice? how about freak mechanical failures? how about a car with a blowout flying across the road from the other lane? what about blind intersections and drunken speeding red-light runners? never experienced it? i have. luckily i was in a van when we were hit from a blind intersection by a truck with a drunk driver doing 80mph in a 35 zone through a red light. since then i will never take for granted the FACT that you do not control your environment, you respond to it. do you really think that because you're cautious you can prevent every situation that will lead to a downed rider? even if you're an extremely skilled rider and can respond to most situations extremely well, you can't respond to every situation perfectly. there will always be something waiting for you.

if you believe that there is a chance you can go down, why would you put your skin and life on the line by not protecting yourself? or is it that you don't believe there's a chance because you're "too good of a rider to be involved in an accident"?

show me a rider with more than 100k miles on 2-wheels who has not been in some form of an accident. please. i would genuinely love to see it and i have many questions for them.


as to you saying my analogy is invalid. you do have the option of not drinking water, just like you have the option of not wearing gear. the point that i was making is that eventually, both will kill you.

[ally99]

Originally Posted by adri99an

But seriously...here's why we wear gear

Another member Kaiser6 (sp.?) posted this link....Graphic!!!!!!!


http://forum.svrider.com/showthread.php?t=105585

Um, wow, yeah, thanks for the warning. THose were quite graphic, but great reminders of why we gear up.

["A"]

Originally Posted by alex.s

i'm sorry that you feel gear makes people ride recklessly. i have another understanding of it.

That's not what I said, please read more carefully.

Originally Posted by alex.s

what's the definition of the word "accident"? do you honestly believe being cautious means you have 100% control over your situation? never seen black ice? how about freak mechanical failures? how about a car with a blowout flying across the road from the other lane? what about blind intersections and drunken speeding red-light runners? never experienced it? i have. luckily i was in a van when we were hit from a blind intersection by a truck with a drunk driver doing 80mph in a 35 zone through a red light. since then i will never take for granted the FACT that you do not control your environment, you respond to it. do you really think that because you're cautious you can prevent every situation that will lead to a downed rider? even if you're an extremely skilled rider and can respond to most situations extremely well, you can't respond to every situation perfectly. there will always be something waiting for you.

A cautious rider may avoid riding in weather that have potential 'black ice'.
I never said that being cautious can avoid every accident, but better chance than not being cautious for sure.
Sure there will always something waiting for you maybe, but I know enough not to get myself into accidents.

Originally Posted by alex.s

if you believe that there is a chance you can go down, why would you put your skin and life on the line by not protecting yourself? or is it that you don't believe there's a chance because you're "too good of a rider to be involved in an accident"?

I don't plan to go down ever during my rides, by being cautious and not taking risks beyond my preparedness.

Originally Posted by alex.s

show me a rider with more than 100k miles on 2-wheels who has not been in some form of an accident. please. i would genuinely love to see it and i have many questions for them.

I've logged over 100,000 miles on 2-wheel in the last 6 years without an accident.
What questions do you have?

Originally Posted by alex.s

as to you saying my analogy is invalid. you do have the option of not drinking water, just like you have the option of not wearing gear. the point that i was making is that eventually, both will kill you.

I did not say your analogy is 'invalid', just that it is an poor analogy, please read more carefully.
More riders in this world never wore helmet in their life and manage to live on without killing themselves, but no one can survive without drinking water for more than 24 hours.

[alex.s]

Originally Posted by "A"

A cautious rider may avoid riding in weather that have potential 'black ice'.

ok so you only ride when it's perfect out. how about those of us who only ride? it's not always perfect out. are you saying "tough luck" if its damp or cold?

Originally Posted by "A"

I never said that being cautious can avoid every accident, but better chance than not being cautious for sure.

how do you say that not wearing any gear is being cautious? it seems flagrantly dangerous to me. the definition of caution: care taken to avoid danger. not wearing gear seems to be the exact opposite of that.

Originally Posted by "A"

Sure there will always something waiting for you maybe, but I know enough not to get myself into accidents.

you know enough to control the actions of others?

Originally Posted by "A"

I don't plan to go down ever during my rides, by being cautious and not taking risks beyond my preparedness.

does anyone plan on going down?

Originally Posted by "A"

I've logged over 100,000 miles on 2-wheel in the last 6 years without an accident.
What questions do you have?

maybe this deserves another thread...

1) where do you typically ride?
2) what type of bike do you do most of your riding on? you said many different bikes, all sport bikes? could you please elaborate a little?
3) you said you only ride in good weather... do you not ride if there's even a remote chance of bad weather?
4) how long of trips do you usually take?
5) what are the road conditions/quality that you do most of your riding on?
6) do you plan all your routes? based on specific factors? such as car encounters, road quality, etc?
7) what kind of bike preperation do you do? i know some people who tune their suspension frequently, others who don't touch it
8) do you do all your own maintenance/repair work?
9) how often do you encounter issues with your bikes? as in broken/failed parts?
10) what type of training have you had? self taught? ever go to the track?
11) what type of tools/items do you bring with you when you ride? do you keep them in/on the bike?
12) what type of storage do you use? tailbags? backpacks?
13) do you ever "open her up"? or is all of your riding low pace?
14) what do you think about lean angle? do you try to keep less angle?

edit: one more question... i've been hit by a car and i'm wondering what your suggestions would have been to prevent it. i was making a left hand turn in a double turn lane, i was in the right lane of the two, the car in front next to me hit the gas fast out of the turn, i was taking it casually, then he decided to slam on the brakes directly after the turn. i was behind him by about a car length and the car behind him which also seemed to be in quite a hurry, instead of hitting the brakes, cranked the wheel to the right, hitting me on the side. i tried to steer to the right and hit the brakes at the same time, but couldn't get the bike out of the way in time. was on the 250 so there was no way of escaping with gas. even if i was on my 600 i doubt there would have been time. she hit me on the side, then ran. how would you have prevented it?

Originally Posted by "A"

no one can survive without drinking water for more than 24 hours.

actually it takes about 2-3 days of not drinking water before your kidnees begin to fail. from there it takes between 2-6 days for you to actually die depending on a variety of factors like humidity, temperature, starting health, weight, body fat content, etc... unfortunately i've had both kidnees fail due to dehydration over the course of 7 days and almost lost them... but that's kinda getting off point now...

["A"]

Originally Posted by alex.s

ok so you only ride when it's perfect out. how about those of us who only ride? it's not always perfect out. are you saying "tough luck" if its damp or cold?

I never said that, for the third time, please read more carefully.

Originally Posted by alex.s

how do you say that not wearing any gear is being cautious? it seems flagrantly dangerous to me. the definition of caution: care taken to avoid danger. not wearing gear seems to be the exact opposite of that.

I never said that, please read more carefully, one more time you're going on the ignore list.
OP was taking more risks than he know he should without gear in unfamiliar territory.
One can be very cautious without gear, vice versa, one can wear all the gear and not be cautious at all.

Originally Posted by alex.s

you know enough to control the actions of others?

No, but I've ridden on public roads enough to be exposed to many stupid drivers and can predict more possible outcomes than those who have not.

Originally Posted by alex.s

does anyone plan on going down?

Most likely, more than you think.. I spend more time planning for ways out of possible accidents.

Originally Posted by alex.s

maybe this deserves another thread...

1) where do you typically ride?
2) what type of bike do you do most of your riding on? you said many different bikes, all sport bikes? could you please elaborate a little?
3) you said you only ride in good weather... do you not ride if there's even a remote chance of bad weather?
4) how long of trips do you usually take?
5) what are the road conditions/quality that you do most of your riding on?
6) do you plan all your routes? based on specific factors? such as car encounters, road quality, etc?
7) what kind of bike preperation do you do? i know some people who tune their suspension frequently, others who don't touch it
8) do you do all your own maintenance/repair work?
9) how often do you encounter issues with your bikes? as in broken/failed parts?
10) what type of training have you had? self taught? ever go to the track?

Maybe you should take a look at my photo album, that'll give you some ideas, where/how I ride.

I've been working on bikes & motorcycles for over two decades.

I've pedaled coast to coast on 2-wheel, twice since my teenage years, ride about 2000-4000 miles annually on my bicycles in every kind of weather.

I buy & sell used motorcycles ten to a dozen times a year, fix up abused/damaged/salvaged motorcycles and sell them at a profit.

I do most if not all the mechanical work myself.

I've ridden motorcycles coast to coast 7 times, I ride from Philadelphia, PA to Ann Arbor, MI at least once a year since 2002 to visit family.

I used to ride on the track, participate in race weekends, but financial they do not seem practical to me, so I have not been on the track since 2007.

I do not plan my route, but I do carry a GPS on my motorcycles and I've used it long enough to judge my corner entry speed according to the display on my GPS.

Originally Posted by alex.s

11) what type of tools/items do you bring with you when you ride? do you keep them in/on the bike?
12) what type of storage do you use? tailbags? backpacks?
13) do you ever "open her up"? or is all of your riding low pace?

Answers differs from ride to ride, if I'm riding 2 mi. away to the store to pick up something to eat, I wouldn't carry much any tools vs riding in the woods or long pavement trips.
I 'open her up' on most every ride, just some vehicle I own only does 30 mph when 'opened up'.

I've worked as a bicycle messenger in Seattle, WA, San Francisco, CA, NYC, Philadelphia, PA.
I've a limousine driver's license since I was in college.
I've graduated from BMW driving school in 2006.

Originally Posted by alex.s

14) what do you think about lean angle? do you try to keep less angle?

Every time I corner I lean differently than previous, depending on my preparation, road surface condition, weather condition and my mental state. Consideration are many, but most have become implicit memory that I don't need to 'think' about when I ride.

Originally Posted by alex.s

edit: one more question... i've been hit by a car and i'm wondering what your suggestions would have been to prevent it. i was making a left hand turn in a double turn lane, i was in the right lane of the two, the car in front next to me hit the gas fast out of the turn, i was taking it casually, then he decided to slam on the brakes directly after the turn. i was behind him by about a car length and the car behind him which also seemed to be in quite a hurry, instead of hitting the brakes, cranked the wheel to the right, hitting me on the side. i tried to steer to the right and hit the brakes at the same time, but couldn't get the bike out of the way in time. was on the 250 so there was no way of escaping with gas. even if i was on my 600 i doubt there would have been time. she hit me on the side, then ran. how would you have prevented it?

Following too close sounded like your mistake. 'a car length behind' as you said, allow you less than 12-14 ft. of following distance, which is less than the distance you need to stop from 25 mph to 0 mph.
Allow more following distance, and look for ways out of impact instead of grabbing a fistful of brakes when you 1st spot trouble. Combination of steering and braking at the same time is what did you in. Brake reduce your available traction, turning direction require more available traction.. likelihood of doom is high when you combine the two.

Originally Posted by alex.s

actually it takes about 2-3 days of not drinking water before your kidnees begin to fail. from there it takes between 2-6 days for you to actually die depending on a variety of factors like humidity, temperature, starting health, weight, body fat content, etc... unfortunately i've had both kidnees fail due to dehydration over the course of 7 days and almost lost them... but that's kinda getting off point now...

Sounds to me like you should drink water more often, if you already have your kidneys fail, you should take care of your health, too.
I may be wrong about 24 hr time frame, but I'm not dumb enough to find out with my own body. I live an active lifestyle, I drink water whether I need it or not, but helmet is optional for my lifestyle, especially in the shower.