Octane, Money and You??? What do you run in your 250 and why? - Page 6

backinthesaddleagain · October 6th, 2010, 11:19 AM

I only use race fuel and for no reason other than the smell.

rwheelz · October 6th, 2010, 11:20 AM

So even you guys with exhaust/ignition advance/re-tuned are getting away with low octane gas and have no pinging under high load? I could be putting my extra $1 per tank toward some go-fast stickers or even a new rubber o-ring for the oil filter

rwheelz · October 6th, 2010, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by backinthesaddleagain

I only use race fuel and for no reason other than the smell.

Hahahha THIS is a guy with too much $ to burn!

backinthesaddleagain · October 6th, 2010, 11:24 AM

just kidding. actually my CBR calls for 91+, but in the Ninja I ran 87 and occasionally used the vpower - not so much for the octane but (possibly) other cleaning additives.

kkim · October 6th, 2010, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwheelz

So even you guys with exhaust/ignition advance/re-tuned are getting away with low octane gas and have no pinging under high load? I could be putting my extra $1 per tank toward some go-fast stickers or even a new rubber o-ring for the oil filter

try it... run 87 in your ninja and see if it pings.... try your best to make it ping. it won't.

as long as you don't make any internal changes to your engine, it will be fine with regular gas. that was the whole point of this thread.

take the extra money you save from using regular and take your gf/wife out to dinner... hope she doesn't eat much.

Blackwidow · October 6th, 2010, 11:49 AM

I have put 91 in my tank the two times i filled it up...only cuz the dealer told me to. Now considering that i'm reading that it makes no difference, I guess i can use the 87...if anything goes wrong with my bike i'm coming after you guys! lol

kkim · October 6th, 2010, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackwidow

if anything goes wrong with my bike i'm coming after you guys! lol

I'll be waiting!!!

seriously, your dealer is wrong... which is why you should regard his recommendation on break in with even more suspicion.

backinthesaddleagain · October 6th, 2010, 11:58 AM

^^^runs away, s l o w l y

kkim · October 6th, 2010, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by backinthesaddleagain

^^^runs away, s l o w l y

Greg... you have no worries.

Blackwidow · October 6th, 2010, 12:01 PM

lol you guys crack me up.

Have you no fear of the blackwidow? I'm bad for your health...

backinthesaddleagain · October 6th, 2010, 12:02 PM

Can always check the owners manual too. Remember sales guys at bike department have several models to know about (and yes I know its their job), sometimes 2 or 3 years of a certain model (which might change), and often multiple manufacturers. Therefore they might make generalized, safe statements. Better to tell you to put 91 in your ninja than to tell someone else to put 87 in his 1198. Never mind chain slack, oil viscosity, etc.

backinthesaddleagain · October 6th, 2010, 12:03 PM

walks away even, s l o w e r !

Blackwidow · October 6th, 2010, 12:05 PM

ya but it wasn't the sales dude that told me to put 91...it was the maintainance guy. i dont' know why i listened to him....he was obviously an idiot, he showed me his bike which was an older gen gixer and it was totally demolished. he tried to do a wheelie and ate shyt. haha and here i am listening to his advise. i'm getting on the freeway this weekend.

kkim · October 6th, 2010, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by backinthesaddleagain

Can always check the owners manual too. Remember sales guys at bike department have several models to know about (and yes I know its their job), sometimes 2 or 3 years of a certain model (which might change), and often multiple manufacturers. Therefore they might make generalized, safe statements. Better to tell you to put 91 in your ninja than to tell someone else to put 87 in his 1198. Never mind chain slack, oil viscosity, etc.

yes, and there should also be a sticker under your passenger seat that explains the type of fuel you should be using in your ninjette.

kkim · October 6th, 2010, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackwidow

y i'm getting on the freeway this weekend.

only if you're ready for it. my advise was not to be afraid of revving the lil ninjette out. you'll be surprised at how much zip it has at 7000rpm and above.

backinthesaddleagain · October 6th, 2010, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackwidow

ya but it wasn't the sales dude that told me to put 91...it was the maintainance guy. i dont' know why i listened to him....he was obviously an idiot, he showed me his bike which was an older gen gixer and it was totally demolished. he tried to do a wheelie and ate shyt. haha and here i am listening to his advise. i'm getting on the freeway this weekend.

wonder what his point was of showing you his demolished bike?

backinthesaddleagain · October 6th, 2010, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwheelz

So even you guys with exhaust/ignition advance/re-tuned are getting away with low octane gas and have no pinging under high load? I could be putting my extra $1 per tank toward some go-fast stickers or even a new rubber o-ring for the oil filter

not to mention a fresh oil drain plug crush washer

Blackwidow · October 6th, 2010, 12:13 PM

i asked him if he rides too...and he pointed out his bike and I said...what the hell happened to it...and he told me. I laughed, he thought i was laughing with him, but in reality i was laughing AT him.

dubojr1 · October 6th, 2010, 02:38 PM

Only with the BRT Ignition do you need to run 91+. Some have claimed not even then but BRT does recommend it.

Blackwidow: I cant wait to hear what you have to say after you hit some 9-10k gear changes. As always though, ride at your own pace.

Blackwidow · October 6th, 2010, 02:50 PM

why Jason? Whats gonna happen at 9-10K rpm's?

TrueFader · October 6th, 2010, 03:00 PM

9k+ is the fun zone, dont leave the fun zone

Cuongism · October 6th, 2010, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackwidow

why Jason? Whats gonna happen at 9-10K rpm's?

Your engine blows up

I just wanted to use that smiley.

rwheelz · October 6th, 2010, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackwidow

why Jason? Whats gonna happen at 9-10K rpm's?

Cat-walk!

Blackwidow · October 6th, 2010, 03:36 PM

we have a bunch of comedians on this site...who would have known? lol

dubojr1 · October 6th, 2010, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackwidow

why Jason? Whats gonna happen at 9-10K rpm's?

Smiles that are hard for a helmet to contain!!! You have yet to begin to enjoy this bike. Have fun!

wyckedflesh · October 6th, 2010, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackwidow

lol you guys crack me up.

Have you no fear of the blackwidow? I'm bad for your health...

Nope, none what so ever. (shot from 3 inches away)

wyckedflesh · October 6th, 2010, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drsketch

if a sticker states a higher octane fuel then the compression ratio for the engine is designed for that octane, if a lower octane fuel is used then your engine may knock

Sometimes they will recommend a Higher Octane fuel for a Higher then Average Temperature climate. When its 115F outside here, I can get some very minor Ping on very hard acceleration, but that is pushing the envelope of the design specs.

250rStar · October 6th, 2010, 09:51 PM

yeah tried 87 thats a no go i can tell the difference (i've been using 91 for a year and a half so yeah goin back to 91

kkim · October 6th, 2010, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 250rStar

yeah tried 87 thats a no go i can tell the difference (i've been using 91 for a year and a half so yeah goin back to 91

what do you feel?

250rStar · October 6th, 2010, 10:09 PM

idk its hard to explain like just runs different not in a bad or good way inpreticular just like the way it runs with the 91 better (or it could all be in my head haha) kinda hard to explain. but take into consideration that i bought it off the lot with 2 miles on it and it has never had anything but 91 octane in it so thats all me and the ninja are used to and there is 13.5k miles on it now. anyways just my 2cents

Alex · October 6th, 2010, 10:21 PM

It runs better when it's cleaner too. And if it's sunny out.

(yes, it's all in your head.

)

AtotheVzy · October 27th, 2010, 10:39 PM

I noticed when I ran 87 my bike was less sluggish then when I ran 91. At least it seemed that way to me.

FrugalNinja250 · October 28th, 2010, 06:26 AM

I stand corrected...

Alex · October 28th, 2010, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrugalNinja250

High-octane fuels burn slower, allowing them to be used in engines that increase burn speed using design features such as cylinder chamber shape, piston shape, higher compression ratio, etc. However, using an octane higher than what the engine can take most advantage of actually reduces efficiency because the fuel ends up burning slower that what the engine can make most use of. Not only is it a waste of money, but it actually lessens performance and fuel efficiency.

This is a widely held belief that is incorrect. High-octane fuel does not necessarily burn any faster or any slower than lower octane fuel. It is not linear, proportional, inverse, or in fact related at all. Depending on how the high octane rating is gained (what oxygenate and other items), the speed of the burn may be affected in either direction.

The only thing that can be conclusively determined as a difference from lower octane to higher octane fuel (discounting all of the other potential differences in the real world if a fuel vendor adds different or more additives to their more expensive grade), is that the fuel is better able to resist premature detonation. It has more resistance to compression ignition. That's it.

peachdiddy · October 28th, 2010, 09:57 AM

On my passenger seat (I think), it says to run high octane.

dubojr1 · October 28th, 2010, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peachdiddy

On my passenger seat (I think), it says to run high octane.

No it doesn't...

kkim · October 28th, 2010, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peachdiddy

On my passenger seat (I think), it says to run high octane.

read it again... what does it say?

backinthesaddleagain · October 28th, 2010, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peachdiddy

On my passenger seat (I think), it says to run high octane.

Only if the passenger is paying for the gas. Kidding, couldn't resist.

supermanzdead · October 30th, 2010, 11:54 AM

How is 89 with ethanol (less than 10%). That is what is cheapest in Omaha...

edwinmcq · October 30th, 2010, 03:16 PM

I use 87 and keep the 10% alcohol for my personal consumption.

October 6th, 2010, 11:20 AM	#202
rwheelz Moroccan Gold Imports Name: RJ Location: MT Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): '03 ZX9R, '03 ZX7R & wife's '09 250R Posts: 136	So even you guys with exhaust/ignition advance/re-tuned are getting away with low octane gas and have no pinging under high load? I could be putting my extra $1 per tank toward some go-fast stickers or even a new rubber o-ring for the oil filter __________________________________________________ MOROCCAN GOLD IMPORTS Where Excess Meets Extreme

October 6th, 2010, 11:49 AM	#206
Blackwidow ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Paulette Location: . Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.	I have put 91 in my tank the two times i filled it up...only cuz the dealer told me to. Now considering that i'm reading that it makes no difference, I guess i can use the 87...if anything goes wrong with my bike i'm coming after you guys! lol __________________________________________________ sometimes I aim to please, but mostly I shoot to kill

October 6th, 2010, 12:01 PM	#210
Blackwidow ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Paulette Location: . Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.	lol you guys crack me up. Have you no fear of the blackwidow? I'm bad for your health... __________________________________________________ sometimes I aim to please, but mostly I shoot to kill

October 6th, 2010, 12:05 PM	#213
Blackwidow ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Paulette Location: . Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.	ya but it wasn't the sales dude that told me to put 91...it was the maintainance guy. i dont' know why i listened to him....he was obviously an idiot, he showed me his bike which was an older gen gixer and it was totally demolished. he tried to do a wheelie and ate shyt. haha and here i am listening to his advise. i'm getting on the freeway this weekend. __________________________________________________ sometimes I aim to please, but mostly I shoot to kill

October 6th, 2010, 12:13 PM	#218
Blackwidow ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Paulette Location: . Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.	i asked him if he rides too...and he pointed out his bike and I said...what the hell happened to it...and he told me. I laughed, he thought i was laughing with him, but in reality i was laughing AT him. __________________________________________________ sometimes I aim to please, but mostly I shoot to kill

October 6th, 2010, 11:19 AM	#201
backinthesaddleagain ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Greg Location: Rhode Island Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2013 ZX6R 636 Posts: A lot.	I only use race fuel and for no reason other than the smell.

October 6th, 2010, 11:24 AM	#204
backinthesaddleagain ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Greg Location: Rhode Island Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2013 ZX6R 636 Posts: A lot.	just kidding. actually my CBR calls for 91+, but in the Ninja I ran 87 and occasionally used the vpower - not so much for the octane but (possibly) other cleaning additives.

October 6th, 2010, 11:58 AM	#208
backinthesaddleagain ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Greg Location: Rhode Island Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2013 ZX6R 636 Posts: A lot.	^^^runs away, s l o w l y

October 6th, 2010, 12:02 PM	#211
backinthesaddleagain ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Greg Location: Rhode Island Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2013 ZX6R 636 Posts: A lot.	Can always check the owners manual too. Remember sales guys at bike department have several models to know about (and yes I know its their job), sometimes 2 or 3 years of a certain model (which might change), and often multiple manufacturers. Therefore they might make generalized, safe statements. Better to tell you to put 91 in your ninja than to tell someone else to put 87 in his 1198. Never mind chain slack, oil viscosity, etc.

October 6th, 2010, 12:03 PM	#212
backinthesaddleagain ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Greg Location: Rhode Island Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2013 ZX6R 636 Posts: A lot.	walks away even, s l o w e r !

October 6th, 2010, 02:38 PM	#219
dubojr1 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Jason Location: Jacksonville, Florida Join Date: May 2010 Motorcycle(s): 09 Ninja 250R SE, 07 Honda CRF230F, 06 Honda CRF150F Posts: A lot.	Only with the BRT Ignition do you need to run 91+. Some have claimed not even then but BRT does recommend it. Blackwidow: I cant wait to hear what you have to say after you hit some 9-10k gear changes. As always though, ride at your own pace. __________________________________________________ 09 250R SE: Paying it forward one post at a time! Don't forget to add yourself to our Member Map

October 6th, 2010, 02:50 PM	#220
Blackwidow ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Paulette Location: . Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.	why Jason? Whats gonna happen at 9-10K rpm's? __________________________________________________ sometimes I aim to please, but mostly I shoot to kill

October 6th, 2010, 03:00 PM	#221
TrueFader ninjette.org member Name: Chris Location: California Join Date: Apr 2010 Motorcycle(s): '08 250 Posts: 129	9k+ is the fun zone, dont leave the fun zone

October 6th, 2010, 03:36 PM	#224
Blackwidow ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Paulette Location: . Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.	we have a bunch of comedians on this site...who would have known? lol __________________________________________________ sometimes I aim to please, but mostly I shoot to kill

October 6th, 2010, 09:51 PM	#228
250rStar super ninja Name: TJ Location: Sacramento Join Date: Feb 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 kawasaki 250r Posts: 127	yeah tried 87 thats a no go i can tell the difference (i've been using 91 for a year and a half so yeah goin back to 91 __________________________________________________ 2009 Ninja 250r aftermarket parts HotBodies double bubble Swing Arm Sliders Sylvania Sliverstar Ultra Akrapovic Slip-on Shinto Clip-Ons/Grips/Bar Ends

October 6th, 2010, 10:09 PM	#230
250rStar super ninja Name: TJ Location: Sacramento Join Date: Feb 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 kawasaki 250r Posts: 127	idk its hard to explain like just runs different not in a bad or good way inpreticular just like the way it runs with the 91 better (or it could all be in my head haha) kinda hard to explain. but take into consideration that i bought it off the lot with 2 miles on it and it has never had anything but 91 octane in it so thats all me and the ninja are used to and there is 13.5k miles on it now. anyways just my 2cents __________________________________________________ 2009 Ninja 250r aftermarket parts HotBodies double bubble Swing Arm Sliders Sylvania Sliverstar Ultra Akrapovic Slip-on Shinto Clip-Ons/Grips/Bar Ends

October 6th, 2010, 10:21 PM	#231
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	It runs better when it's cleaner too. And if it's sunny out. (yes, it's all in your head. ) __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

October 27th, 2010, 10:39 PM	#232
AtotheVzy ninjette.org newbie Name: AtotheVzy Location: Bay Area Join Date: Oct 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2 009Ninja 250 Posts: 2	I noticed when I ran 87 my bike was less sluggish then when I ran 91. At least it seemed that way to me.

October 28th, 2010, 06:26 AM	#233
FrugalNinja250 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Frugal Location: Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) Join Date: Mar 2010 Motorcycle(s): Several Posts: A lot.	I stand corrected... Last futzed with by FrugalNinja250; October 28th, 2010 at 10:22 AM.

October 28th, 2010, 09:57 AM	#235
peachdiddy Former ninjette rider Name: Andy Location: Hibbing, MN Join Date: May 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Honda CB1000R Posts: 121	On my passenger seat (I think), it says to run high octane. __________________________________________________ We've witnessed your human capacity for war. It would absolutely bring more harm than good.

October 30th, 2010, 11:54 AM	#239
supermanzdead ninjette.org member Name: Jason Location: Omaha, NE Join Date: Oct 2010 Motorcycle(s): Current: 2011 ZX6r Owned: 2010 EX250R "Special Edition" Posts: 71	How is 89 with ethanol (less than 10%). That is what is cheapest in Omaha...

October 30th, 2010, 03:16 PM	#240
edwinmcq ninjette.org member Name: Ed Location: Washington DC Join Date: Jul 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R Posts: 157	I use 87 and keep the 10% alcohol for my personal consumption. __________________________________________________ www.edmcqueen.com

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