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Old March 27th, 2012, 07:54 PM   #121
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The power is reduced because you are now more lean than stock, which is already lean to pass emissions. You need to rejet. The popping is a rich condition caused by closing the throttle while at a high RPM. The fuel mixture is high since you were on the main jet circuit and suddenly closed the throttle, so the unburnt fuel is forced out the exhaust and explodes in the exhaust system. It will sometimes also do it when the throttle is closed slowly. The fuel can be trimmed with the fuel mixture screw and also the main jet needle shape. A jet kit should fix it. The poping will not hurt the engine, but in extreem cases' has been known to blow an exhaust can apart. That is very rare so I would not sweat it. Just rejet the bike and ride the snot out of it.
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Old March 27th, 2012, 07:56 PM   #122
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Oh and the popping is also real common on any twin. My Ducati's and my old RC51 did it from the factory untill I adjusted the trim on the fuel injection. No biggie, just rejet and you should be good to go.
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Old March 27th, 2012, 08:53 PM   #123
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I didnt have any of those problems...
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Old March 27th, 2012, 09:06 PM   #124
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That is cause like women every engine is different!!!!...hehehehehe
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Old March 27th, 2012, 09:12 PM   #125
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yeah I guess I got one of the bikes that didnt run as lean from the factory.
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Old March 27th, 2012, 09:13 PM   #126
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I didnt have any of those problems...
By using the word "problem" if you mean the "popping" sounds, then they really aren't a problem. I personally like them and coupled with the throatier intake noise (after removing the snorkel)...ahh!, bliss
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Old March 27th, 2012, 09:17 PM   #127
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no back firing. Its back fired one time since Ive had it on, and Ive ridden it more with it on than off.... and I did not notice loss in power if anything causing it to run a little leaner has gave it the feeling of a little pep.
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Old March 27th, 2012, 09:34 PM   #128
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One thing I've noticed, post-shimming, is how little I have to leave the choke on during cold starts. Mind you I have never subscribed to the idea of "leave your bike running until it warms up", I've always ridden it with choke on until engine warm-up, but after shimming, I barely have the choke on for a minute or two at most, before I'm closing it. So, that could be a benefit of shimming (it was for me) and you should really get off your bum and do it!...the difference is outstanding!
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Old March 27th, 2012, 09:57 PM   #129
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I guess Shimming it is! Thanks guys for all the Info and help!
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no back firing. Its back fired one time since Ive had it on, and Ive ridden it more with it on than off.... and I did not notice loss in power if anything causing it to run a little leaner has gave it the feeling of a little pep.
Same here... It's only backfired twice for me, both times with the stock exhaust, not once with the new one... And I have not noticed a lack of power either...


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One thing I've noticed, post-shimming, is how little I have to leave the choke on during cold starts.
Same here as well. With the stock exhaust, I had to leave the choke on for a couple minutes before it completely warmed up... After the exhaust, I have it on less than a minute and it's ready to go! I haven't shimmed anything yet, just the exhaust swap...

So far, the only negative seems to be my MPG has gone down a little...
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Hey guys, i put my hand around the exhaust to see where the air was going, and i feel some air coming from where the clamp meats the midpipe of the exhaust, is this bad?
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Old March 28th, 2012, 10:59 AM   #132
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I got a Dan Moto exhaust too. I shimmed mine with 3 washers on each side (3mm). And for the popping / back fire issue I've read here if you remove the Kleen Air System it will fix it and it did . Right now I'm happy the way she runs..
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Hey guys, i put my hand around the exhaust to see where the air was going, and i feel some air coming from where the clamp meats the midpipe of the exhaust, is this bad?
Is it a little or a lot?

I have a little air coming out on start up, but once the bike warms up, the leak goes away... I have some exhaust sealer stuff I bought, but haven't put it on yet since there really doesn't seem to be an issue with it so far...
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I checked it again, seems to be a little. But DAM, my Acceleration sucks soooooo much lol
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Old March 28th, 2012, 12:33 PM   #135
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I personally like them and coupled with the throatier intake noise (after removing the snorkel)...ahh!, bliss
You would have liked my bike when I was jetting after intake change.

I had 2 too few washers on the needles, and was 1/4 turn too far in on my mix screws. As I would decelerate, it went brruuuu-pop!-POP!!-uummm-POP-POP!-mmmmm
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Where did you buy this exhaust? Do you have a URL?

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Old March 28th, 2012, 01:27 PM   #138
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You would have liked my bike when I was jetting after intake change.

I had 2 too few washers on the needles, and was 1/4 turn too far in on my mix screws. As I would decelerate, it went brruuuu-pop!-POP!!-uummm-POP-POP!-mmmmm
lol...but I just might say farewell to my beloved pops and do the Kleen air delete just to rid my bike of those infernal tubes! It was a humongous pain to shim with all those crisscrossing wires/tubes all over the carbs
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Old March 28th, 2012, 02:51 PM   #139
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Thanks!

They say this on their website: "Every Danmoto Exhaust is developed specially for each bike. Installation of this exhaust requires no fuelling adjustments/tuning."
http://www.dan-moto.com/DM_INT/zx-25...oduct-368.html

I wonder if that's 100% accurate? What was your experience?
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If it requires no jetting changes, that means it won't make your jetting needs any different than they are stock. That's not saying the stock jetting is perfect though. There's still room for improvement in the stock jetting.

If you pull the snorkel at the same time as installing any exhaust changes, it's good idea to test one size larger main jet
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They say this on their website: "Every Danmoto Exhaust is developed specially for each bike. Installation of this exhaust requires no fuelling adjustments/tuning."
http://www.dan-moto.com/DM_INT/zx-25...oduct-368.html

I wonder if that's 100% accurate? What was your experience?
I rode mine for about 50 miles without doing any carb work on it (was waiting for the special JIS screw bits to arrive), it run fine to be honest. But then I shimmed (2, 3mm (#4), washers on each needle) and suffice it to say, I'll never go back
As to rejetting, maybe I'll do that when I get a full exhaust, but with just a slip-on shimming was all my ninjette needed and I have no flat spots or any other weird issues in the power. So, my best advice would be to shim it. Experiment, that's the key word when it comes to finding the sweet spot (mine was 2 washers under each needle + removed snorkel).good luck
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But then I shimmed (2, 3mm (#4), washers on each needle) and suffice it to say, I'll never go back
One day I will figure out the difference between jetting and shimming

In any case, I'm not touching my exhaust this year

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Shimming is just one step of a trial-and-error process known as jetting.

Jetting is making changes to the carbs to deliver the right amount of fuel.
First you do the mains, then raise the needles by shimming, then the idle mix screws (in a nut shell)

Shimming on its own is just skipping one step because the Keihin 98 main jets that come on the bike stock are rich, so typically, a slip-on is fine with those main jets, but the mid-range needs help. Enter shimming.
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Ill post pic Tomorrow when the sun is back out.

But can anyone tell me why I smell so much more gas after putting on this exhaust?

and will shimming really help performance to equal or greater than the stock exhaust?

Also, why does my needle bounce a little bit when its idling? (it moves up and down from 1rpm to 2 rpm slowly while at a stand still)
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Old March 29th, 2012, 10:35 PM   #148
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hmm...as to your smelling of more gas, I don't have a clue. I rarely smell gas on mine, sometimes I get a whiff when I'm really tucked in, but even so, it's momentary. Shimming will definitely improve your bike's performance (low and mid range), I have yet to run across a shim that yielded poor performance gains. I'd advice you to shim, but before you do, read up on it (http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=11963) and get the appropriate tools.
As to the jittery RPM needle...was the engine fully warmed up during this time? If it was, then you can always try adjusting it (there's a knob on the left side of the bike). Hope I helped
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I believe the stock exhaust has a Catalytic converter inside te can which might explain why the Dan Moto exhaust smells more like gas.
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Well Ima shim next friday, i got the #4 washers from the RadioShack Pack. i hope 2 washers on each needle will be enough, i dont wana constantly test it lol
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Can someone post a link for the Carbon exhaust? I'm not seeing a carbon one at www.dan-moto.com

Just figured it out! The carbon GP is only on the International website.
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Old May 13th, 2012, 08:18 PM   #153
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DanMoto Exhaust?

Ok guys I need your opinions, thoughts and reviews of the DanMoto slip on exhaust. What do you think of it? I'm considering purchasing one an before I do it would be nice to hear what you think of it.


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I had one on my bike. It was super easy to install, sounded great, and the quality of it was pretty good.

It is quite loud when you get on it hard. And every once in a while, when you start your bike when it's cold, it'll backfire and scare the **** out of you.

The only complaint I had was that after about 4 months, the carbon fiber and loosened from the can and started to leak around the bottom. Wasn't a big deal at all, just a minor issue. Overall, though, by far the best exhaust for under $300.
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I have the black jisu, love it, especially due to the price.

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Nicely done! I've been waiting to see a fly by with a JISU.
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They all sound exactly the same. DanMoto uses the same internals in all their pipes. They just surround them with a different can.
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Idk, I haven't heard the GP in person but it sounds totally different.

Zach, thanks...I plan on recording another one..in the day, faster/higher rpms & better quality. My sister's iPhone's video settings were not set correctly :P
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definately nice vid even with the quality =D But i was wondering same ? as OP. Anyone know what the loudest slip is by experience with of course good quality?
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